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Night, with Ebon Pinion
« on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:15:38 »
While singing Night, with Ebon Pinion in church yesterday, I realized for the first time that it may not be biblically correct.  Specifically, the second stanza:

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Smitten for offenses
Which were not His own,
He, for our transgressions,
Had to weep alone;

No friend with words to comfort,
Nor hand to help was there,
When the Meek and Lowly
Humbly bowed in prayer.

Is this contrary to Luke 22:43, "An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him"?

And if so, should we continue to sing this song?  Can we just omit verse 2?

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Night, with Ebon Pinion
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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #1 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:17:48 »
If it bothers you, omit it.  But I suspect the reference is to the Apostles sleeping, instead of remaining awake to pray.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #2 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:26:39 »
It's a valid catch, I suppose, but I think twd may be right about the lyricist's intent.  Is there a background available for the song that shed's light?

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #3 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:31:00 »
Is there a background available for the song that shed's light?

I haven't looked for that yet.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #4 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:35:05 »
I've got a book with a slew of hymn backgrounds...if I can find it.  A year after the move and 1/2 my library is still in boxes.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #5 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:51:52 »
Okay, I have been part of the Church of Christ since 1981.  And I still do not know . . . what in the heck is Ebon Pinion??   ::headscratch::

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #6 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 10:54:38 »
According to Mike Riley at PF:
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"Night With Ebon Pinion"

We might ask, what (or who) is "Ebon Pinion"? Ebon refers to the color, black (as related to ebony). A "pinion" is a bird's wing. The setting of this song, as in the one above, is the Lord's great agony in the Garden of Gethsemane. This series of events was so dark and somber that it was as though a great black bird, bearing doom, had cast its shadow over the Lord as He knelt to pray in the garden.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #7 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 16:21:43 »
Beautiful song, btw. And it's in some danger of becoming passe because it's poetic language has become a symbol of lyrics people don't understand.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #8 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 17:10:38 »
I've found people can't even pronounce some of these words anymore.  I led "Beneath the Cross of Jesus" last Sunday.  I heard multiple pronunciations of "trysting."  I suspect I would have gotten multiple guesses as to its meaning, had I asked.  And people are afraid of raising Ebenezers.

I blame television.  Of course, I blame it for lots of things.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #9 on: Mon Jul 24, 2006 - 17:31:55 »
Ask 100 people in the church auditorium to pronounce 'archangel'.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #10 on: Tue Aug 01, 2006 - 09:38:53 »
For Tinamatt, Ebon Pinion refers to black (ebon) wings (pinion). Like night is floating in on black wings.
Growing up I thought Ebon Pion was one of two things. Either a guy Jesus spent the night with ("since he had no place to go Jesus spent the night with Ebon and Bertha Pinon. A nice elderly couple.") or it was another name for Jesus ("wonderful counselor, almighty God, the everlasting Father, Ebon Pinion.")
It makes me wonder how many people get anything out of this song.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #11 on: Tue Aug 01, 2006 - 13:43:11 »
I don't like having to explain a song before I sing it.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #12 on: Tue Aug 01, 2006 - 21:42:56 »
Jesus was weeping all alone for a period of time.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #13 on: Tue Aug 01, 2006 - 22:41:42 »
Ask 100 people in the church auditorium to pronounce 'archangel'.
Or "chastening rod".

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #14 on: Wed Aug 02, 2006 - 03:46:01 »
some hymnals contain a glossary of poetic terms.
some congregations don't use hymnals.

i can see no valid reason to participate in hymnological 'dumbing down'.
church music directors have often been in the forefront of supplying the training and understanding valuable in hymn use.  the more we know, the more versatile we can be.
expansion to comprehension of old and new provides more 'tools in the shed'.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #15 on: Wed Aug 02, 2006 - 09:46:46 »
There's nothing wrong with learning new things and expanding our horizons.  Hymns can be used to teach in many ways.  Sometimes when we venture into unfamiliar territories to the point of having to explain or learn what the song means, this helps us visualize what we are singing and actually makes the song more meaningful.

At least that's been my experience.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #16 on: Thu Aug 03, 2006 - 02:04:16 »
When I was serving as a church song leader at a nearby congregation, I used to occassionally give a short history and little explaination of the song before I would lead it.  I was broke of that practice by a preacher who didn't like the fact that I gave a short biography of Fanny J Crosby one evening.  What did I say that brought the ceiling down on me?  Fanny was a life long Episcopal-Methodist and I implied that she was a Christian!  He didn't have an answer for me when I asked him back "If she wasn't a Christian, then why do we use so many of her songs in worship?"  I did not give any more song history lessons after that!  Their loss  ::frown::

I personally love the history, theology, and the meaning of songs as it opens them up to a much fuller understanding and more meaningfull impact on the heart.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #17 on: Thu Aug 03, 2006 - 07:08:10 »
Lordy.

Are we gonna have to go thru all our songbooks and "approve" the whole life, lifestyle, church history, etc., of each songwriter?

We ned to check out the people in the bakery that did our flat bread for the Lord's Supper.  And what about the assembly line workers who banged together our trays for the grape juice?

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #18 on: Thu Aug 03, 2006 - 12:34:29 »
 rofl

I guess this really shows how pathetic we can be as humans, huh?  ::wink::

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #19 on: Thu Aug 03, 2006 - 13:43:55 »
We ned to check out the people in the bakery that did our flat bread for the Lord's Supper. 

You let people with unclean hands bake your LS bread instead of baking it yourself?  I'll pray for you.

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Re: Night, with Ebon Pinion
« Reply #20 on: Sat Apr 17, 2010 - 23:45:04 »
As for the words to the song saying he had to weep alone reminds me of the song "I'll Be a Friend to Jesus" which says "within the halls of Pilate he stood without a friend." Actually, John was there when they went to the High Priest. John 18:15 says "This disciple" (presumed to be John) "was known to the high priest, he went with Jesus into the high priest's courtyard." In fact, it was John who told the girl at the door to let Peter come in. Now, did John follow Jesus to Pilate's palace? It doesn't say but we are always quick to point out that Peter was denying Christ, but we never add that John was also there and was NOT denying Christ. So, Jesus didn't have to go through it ALL alone. (I still sing the song....but what a better song it would be if it pointed out that one friend was with him.)