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« on: October 07, 2009, 02:34:06 PM »

Ever since Junior High school - guys have only wanted one thing.
Not true? Discuss.
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« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 02:55:42 PM »

Well, that's happened to me too quite a number of times ("I only want to be friends"). Pretty much the exact thing you're talking about. It happens to a lot of men, except us guys who actually are aiming for that are a little bit caught off guard when everybody says to us that we only want one thing. Nobody seems to have any kind of plan for those of us that actually don't . . .  I don't know, what do you think?
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« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 03:03:29 PM »

Well, that's happened to me too quite a number of times ("I only want to be friends"). Pretty much the exact thing you're talking about. It happens to a lot of men, except us guys who actually are aiming for that are a little bit caught off guard when everybody says to us that we only want one thing. Nobody seems to have any kind of plan for those of us that actually don't . . .  I don't know, what do you think?


That is just it...

as we men age our hormones slack off a bit and all we truly want is a relationship...

but women's hormones for some reason kick in and they only seem to want one thing...

gets old trying to keep their hands from being where they don't belong...as if we ain't gonna protest or something...or not want to do that...

some of us really and truly do not...and get tired of being treated as if that is all we want...or is something that we want simply because they are pretty.

We want respect and love...and if we can't have either...then we don't want the woman who is in front of us.
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« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2009, 11:12:44 PM »

for women, too!
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« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2009, 11:24:18 PM »

Well, that's happened to me too quite a number of times ("I only want to be friends"). Pretty much the exact thing you're talking about. It happens to a lot of men, except us guys who actually are aiming for that are a little bit caught off guard when everybody says to us that we only want one thing. Nobody seems to have any kind of plan for those of us that actually don't . . .  I don't know, what do you think?


That is just it...

as we men age our hormones slack off a bit and all we truly want is a relationship...

but women's hormones for some reason kick in and they only seem to want one thing...

gets old trying to keep their hands from being where they don't belong...as if we ain't gonna protest or something...or not want to do that...

some of us really and truly do not...and get tired of being treated as if that is all we want...or is something that we want simply because they are pretty.

We want respect and love...and if we can't have either...then we don't want the woman who is in front of us.

I can't say I know much about the age thing, but yeah there's so much arrogant presumption like "yeah that's all you want anyway, right?" And they're so astonished when they're rejected--maybe that's why some of them can't find a "good man." Wow, is it possible that there's such a thing as a bad woman who's after a good man? Nobody seems to remember "Plan A" that's written all over the Bible for such an event.

Looks like most of us head for the hills, like Joseph did when he was hit on. I mean what else can you do in this particular culture?

There are just a couple of reasons why the sleezy women don't get around so much, I think. In close quarters, they're in much more danger of being overpowered if they ran into a mutual creep, and, there's more danger of pregnancy--two things that the culture today is desperately trying to overpower (i.e. abortions)
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« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2009, 12:46:09 AM »


(Also, I am extremely happy - when you get my age and are so into God - men, schmen. LOL)
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Sounds like since you don't want a man - you don't have to trust them.
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« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2009, 02:01:21 AM »

You know the other thing is that if you really "love" your gay friends you'd be doing them a gigantic favor by moving them away from that lifestyle, among (probably) other things.
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« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2009, 11:18:47 AM »

You know the other thing is that if you really "love" your gay friends you'd be doing them a gigantic favor by moving them away from that lifestyle, among (probably) other things.

Do you move someone away from being born with their color of skin or heritage?  Being gay is who they are.....no one has the ability, or the right, to try to move them away from their orientation.  Even the American Psychological Association, after decades of research and studies, have concluded this is not possible.

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« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2009, 02:27:03 PM »

sorry Elaine...you are right...I removed my post... Doh! Look around
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« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2009, 04:00:18 PM »

Yes, it's like if I had a brother or sister whom I knew was going to make dad mad, I'd urge them to stop--"liking them" where they are would be kind of selfish on my part, wouldn't it?
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« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2009, 07:29:27 PM »

ditto that Elaine...I promise I will watch the fuss too...and maybe even throw in a lick or two of my own...LOL
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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2009, 08:33:19 AM »

If we choose not to trust all men(or all women in a mans case) we are missing out on so much in life. We can attempt ot protect oursleves from pain, but we will only live a sort of half life.
I have been deeply and badly hurt by men, but if I had decided not to trust any man ever again, I wouldnt have the most amazing husband and marriage now. Not all men are the same.Was it scary to trust again? yes of course it was.There are some excellent and godly man out there, but of course we have to realise that we are all human and will hurt people sometimes even if we dont intend to.

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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2009, 11:50:27 AM »

There are some wonderful men out there, but they arn't the ones with porn problems or control issues.
Men are brought up by and large to help themselves to women and then find one to 'fall in love' with later to marry and live happily ever after.

Problem is it doesn't work like that.

And in my opinion, women on the other hand are taught by and large that they're a failure if they don't go along with it and 'enjoy life' in however many relationships until they find 'the one' (who they'd be foolish to rely on longterm anyway because he's a man, and because of that, can't really be trusted.) So they're educated to not respect men too much (through the media and their own experiences from different partners) because they can't be trusted and you're giving them space to let you down.
And the guys get their capacity to 'love' women burned out through using them. But they're encouraged to from pubity on by women in the media, and how so many dress and behave all around them. It's like handing them a shotgun as a young teenager with ducks flying all around and saying 'open season'. Have fun. And btw somethings wrong with your masculinity if you don't.

Recipe for disaster. But it's preached at us from televison screens and media sources  from childhood on.

To find a guy who's beaten his demons regarding lust is pretty rare in my opinion, these days particularly. And if he hasn't, then don't expect to be cherished as his wife.  And to find a woman who is willing to lay down her own agendas to sacrifice for the good of the relationship and emotional wellbeing of the family is rare nowdays in my opinion as well.

Integrity has to come from both directions. No control. No trying to use the other partner to make yourself happy, and no shortcuts regarding respect bothways. But that's a lifestyle, not a picked up behaviour once you actually tie the knot, to make it work.

Who gets it right all the time  I don't know, what do you think?

Mess up peoples capacity for healthy relationships through twisting their worldviews and you end up with a lot of normal people doing a lot of suffering that God never intended them to have to go through.

Was just thinking about this today.

No wonder our societies are falling apart.

You know to be honest, I can count on the fingers of one hand, guys I've met in my life who really seemed to not have any problem with lust. Because I've had so must distrust regarding men, it's one of the first things I've always tended to look for in them. Not to judge them but just for my own safety and awareness. I'd just wait and watch until I felt I'd gotten a reasonably fair idea of where they were at in this area. That indicated to me how safe they were. Even as friends. I think most females do to some extent, but I've probably been less trusting and more careful then most.

Those guys were worth their weight (I was about to say in gold - but that's way underestimating it.) Like a woman who fears the lord has worth far above rubies, so is a man who's gotten his hormones under control. David feared the Lord and he sure failed miserably in this area. Abrahem wasn't a great role model either, or Solomon.

If a woman isn't going to be cherished, why should she respect her husbands leadership? That's basically saying that he should have the rights of respect without having to earn it.

Lust is probably the most damaging thing a person can let into their relationship. (Although control is pretty bad too.)

I used to think the same way Elaine, but the key is to let God choose your mate. Then you don't end up unequally yoked. Means you might have to wait for a while, but at least it takes the pressure off.

(Chosenone I always get encouraged hearing about your marriage. I'm so pleased God led you to such a godly man and you're both so happy. I've seen it so rarely that it's such a breath of fresh air when someone else you know has it.) Thanks for sharing.

I remember sitting in church once as a child and the pastor had done a random survey for interests sake. This was a really solid, family church overall full of pretty respectable and dedicated people, and the no. one decision that people regretted the most in their lives (over half the congregation) was who they had married. Over half wished they'd married someone else. Another broad survey across marriages in general that was read out (from the world) indicated that of the half that survived divorce, only a small percentage, around 5% said that they had a genuinely happy marriage.

I never forgot that.

I've seen the church used as an excuse for the domination of women and I've seen the world throw away the things that make marriage safe.

Depressing  Frowning  Growing up, I figured that if I couldn't have a happy marriage then I didn't want one at all.  And I figure that God can make it happen, but I honestly think that the odds are too much against me for me to try and find the right person myself.

(and I know that I would have given the kind of guy I want too much stress in the past anyway from my own issues,  I agree so His timing is perfect too.)


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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2009, 12:07:19 PM »

PS. Just as an aside. I grew up in the country, and I've always been pretty observant, even as a small child. Anyway I was in Korea a while back in a rural area and a particular old man came to my attention. In the area, there were a number of wood and daub asian style farmhouses.
Anyway something was different about this mans eyes. I didn't speak to him directly but saw how he interacted with people. It reminded me of some of the older country men that I remembered from my childhood. There was something in him that was identical, but I couldn't figure out what it was. He wasn't an exceptionally good man. He was just a man. But he had what they had had and I hadn't seen it since childhood.

Anyway it was swirling around at the back of my mind for a while, when suddenly the penny dropped. This guy had never seen porn before. It just wasn't in his spirit and you could see that in his eyes. The way he looked at women was different. It was a lack of certain 'knowledge' in that area, that showed. I would have been suprised if he wasn't married, the men from the past were from what I remember. But porn is different.

I was amazed. It fitted with his lifestyle, how he could have avoided it, and also why I hadn't seen it for so long.

Anyway God meant the whole world to be like that.  (I guess the suprising part (to me anyway) was how much these things impact our soul and the fact that you can see something like that in someones eyes.)

Risk telling that to many people though and I think you'd risk them jeering at you (even secretly) which in itself goes to show how easily it is for human beings to mess up the world and their relationships by ignoring God and his ways.

It's like living in an area that has been polluted by human selfishness in comparison to camping out in the middle of the Rockies or something where the air is so clear and you can still drink from the streams because they're so pure. Undefiled nature is beautiful. And so is undefiled sexuality. And I imagine God hates seeing both destroyed by sin.
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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2009, 12:17:09 PM »

There are also a lot of women with control issues (believe me, I know some of them). In fact I think women in general have more control issues than men do (in my experience)
Also I know many more women who have been unfaithful than men, (especially in  my own family where I have had three sisters in law who have had affairs) so does that mean I shouldnt trust women either? Fortunately I have some very nice and godly women friends so I know that they are not all like that, just as men arent all like that.

Porn is something that men tend to get into more than women that is true, but women have their own weaknesses. My husband ex wife used to watch these romantic historical films all the time and this helped to make her discontent with her husband. She wanted one of these'perfect' feminine men, her 'knight in shining armour' So we all have struggles and I actually know so many good men who are good and faithful husbands and who dont look at porn or play around or break their promises.
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