Reasons for Singleness

[isaiahtwelve]

If you dont know then there is no point in me telling you.Would you actually say that she dresses modestly? Would you want your wife/future wife to dress like that in front of many thousands of guys?
I am not sure that a photo is artwork is it?,  I have discovered that just becuase someone is a christian doesnt mean that they will dress in the way that the Bible tells women to dress. We women may not like what The Bible tells us to do but doesnt it seem clear to you what we are to do?
I am sure that she is a lovely person (and I am glad that she is an inspiritation to you),but so is a girl at our church who dresses as if she is going to a nightclub to church, doesnt make it the right thing to do surely. 

I agree, chosenone.  While she's pretty and all...that kind of outfit is immodest and unbefitting a Christian woman (at least outside her own home).  We, as Christians, are to be in the world but not of it.   

[chosenone]

If you dont know then there is no point in me telling you.Would you actually say that she dresses modestly? Would you want your wife/future wife to dress like that in front of many thousands of guys?
I am not sure that a photo is artwork is it?,  I have discovered that just becuase someone is a christian doesnt mean that they will dress in the way that the Bible tells women to dress. We women may not like what The Bible tells us to do but doesnt it seem clear to you what we are to do?
I am sure that she is a lovely person (and I am glad that she is an inspiritation to you),but so is a girl at our church who dresses as if she is going to a nightclub to church, doesnt make it the right thing to do surely. 

I agree, chosenone.  While she's pretty and all...that kind of outfit is immodest and unbefitting a Christian woman (at least outside her own home).  We, as Christians, are to be in the world but not of it.  

yes I agree, with your own husband anything goes as far as dress is concerned, but in the world Christian women are told to dress modestly for a reason.
Also concerning her attractiveness I once heard a wise Christian teacher say that the more physically attractive you are, the more modestly you should dress. Sadly this always seem to be the opposite in that the more attractive a girl is the more immodestly she dresss, maybe becuase she has learnt that she likes all the attention and to turn mens heads.
I have the utmost respect for very attractive women who dress modestly becuase they clearly have The Holy Spirit in them.Their desire is to please God and not to get worldy attention.

[Wordman]

I disagree somewhat...  Modesty is an ambiguous word.   

It used to be that women that wore pants and not dresses were considered not dressing modestly, and now it's the other way around.

Would you considered native tribes that walk around practically nake that live in southeast asia sinful, or not dressing modestly.  To them, they are dressing modestly.   

In the wrestling world, dressing like that is normal.

Some Muslim women will say American women are not modest because they do not wear veils. 
But to American women, not wearing a veil is normal.

So what should we say than, who is right?  And, who is wrong?   

The answer: No body is wrong, because it is all about perception.

Modesty is a perception of one's own heart, ussually define by one's culture or sub-culture, or even community.   Since modesty is a perception, we cannot solely make assumptions on appearance alone....because we cannot look inside another person's mind, another person's heart.

When we start to make assumptions, that is when the human race gets into trouble.   Fights, wars ...you name it...that's where it all comes from...that's where it all starts.   

We are all different, and we need to be tolerant and understanding....and slow to judge.  Let God do the judging, and we do the "love one another" thing.

You should have the right to say you don't like the picture, but you do not have the right to take it away.      
For: "One person's trash is another's treasure."

Because:

"This is the point, reality is nothing, perception is everything." "The mice think they are right, but my cat eats them

anyways." --Zeddicus Z'ul Zorander

[chosenone]

Just because in the wrestling world dressing like that is normal doesnt make it the right thing to do for a Christian women does it?
Modesty is sometimes cultural as you say but I think that many  people would agree that a Christian women dressing in skimpy clothes, showing off their cleavage, midrif and legs and wearing little in front of thousand of men isnt modest wouldnt they.? if that is considered modest then where do we go from there. maybe going topless?
When Paul wrote about modesty, the women generally dressed very modestly anyway but he still felt the need to tell them to do this. if he was alive today he would probably have a fit if he saw what Christian women wore, and I am sure that he wouldnt mince his words either in telling them off. Just becuase someone does wrestling that doesnt make them exempt from having to obey what The Bible teaches does it? The whole wrestling sport can be quite sexual in nature anyway, and many of the women involved are very immodest and I think that this is  partly why many men are attracted to it. 

[princessofgod]

I think that we, as women, have a responsibility...
And we are not very responsible with our body, when we wear such clothes, doesnt matter where we are in public...and that is not conservative, that is wise ^^
maybe that this is offensive for us, is also a big difference between man and woman...you like how she is looking right!? Sorry, but why should a man watch a woman wrestling....would they also watch it, when she is wearing much more? I dont talk about you guyes^^ but about "all" men....so we, as woman, have the responsiblilty....
and what is with a guy, coming to this forum, he has struggles with pornographie and then seeing this woman!? It is not very helpful for him and so not very nice...

[chosenone]

I think that we, as women, have a responsibility...
And we are not very responsible with our body, when we wear such clothes, doesnt matter where we are in public...and that is not conservative, that is wise ^^
maybe that this is offensive for us, is also a big difference between man and woman...you like how she is looking right!? Sorry, but why should a man watch a woman wrestling....would they also watch it, when she is wearing much more? I dont talk about you guyes^^ but about "all" men....so we, as woman, have the responsiblilty....
and what is with a guy, coming to this forum, he has struggles with pornographie and then seeing this woman!? It is not very helpful for him and so not very nice...

I agree, and I do hate it when women dress very immodestly and say "whats the problem, its the mans responsibility not to look" whle they are actually dressing like that so that men DO look!" As Christian women we do need to do what God tells us, and even if we are tempted to wear something revealing or whatever, we are told not to.Our bodies are not our own anymore but belong to God. We can no longer do what WE want but are suppoased to be trying to please Him. Knowing that, it is up to us whether we obey God or whether we do as the women in the world do, and what we do affects the guys aorund us becuase we can be a help or a hindrance to them in their attempts at living a pure life.
Joyce meyer for example says that when she goes clothes shopping she feels the Holy Spirit telling her if something isnt quite modest enough, and she always dresses very modestly. 
It is a womens responsibility to dress in a  way that is pleasing to God and it is a Christian guys responsibility not to look at things that are immodest and that includes so much of what is on television and in flms these days.
What a Christian witness it would be for that Christian girl who is a wrestler to wear something more modest than the other girls while she wrestles (and she easily could if she really wanted to)although would all the guys be interested in watching her if she did?

[lismore]

Hello There!

Interesting thread.  In 1 Corithians 7 Paul talks a lot about singleness.  In my experience though the church is geared for married people, couples and families.  Single people are the social lepers of th Christian community.

God Bless You

[wolflet7]

I think that we, as women, have a responsibility...
And we are not very responsible with our body, when we wear such clothes, doesnt matter where we are in public...and that is not conservative, that is wise ^^
maybe that this is offensive for us, is also a big difference between man and woman...you like how she is looking right!? Sorry, but why should a man watch a woman wrestling....would they also watch it, when she is wearing much more? I dont talk about you guyes^^ but about "all" men....so we, as woman, have the responsiblilty....
and what is with a guy, coming to this forum, he has struggles with pornographie and then seeing this woman!? It is not very helpful for him and so not very nice...

I agree, and I do hate it when women dress very immodestly and say "whats the problem, its the mans responsibility not to look" whle they are actually dressing like that so that men DO look!" As Christian women we do need to do what God tells us, and even if we are tempted to wear something revealing or whatever, we are told not to.Our bodies are not our own anymore but belong to God. We can no longer do what WE want but are suppoased to be trying to please Him. Knowing that, it is up to us whether we obey God or whether we do as the women in the world do, and what we do affects the guys aorund us becuase we can be a help or a hindrance to them in their attempts at living a pure life.
Joyce meyer for example says that when she goes clothes shopping she feels the Holy Spirit telling her if something isnt quite modest enough, and she always dresses very modestly. 
It is a womens responsibility to dress in a  way that is pleasing to God and it is a Christian guys responsibility not to look at things that are immodest and that includes so much of what is on television and in flms these days.
What a Christian witness it would be for that Christian girl who is a wrestler to wear something more modest than the other girls while she wrestles (and she easily could if she really wanted to)although would all the guys be interested in watching her if she did?

I, as a guy, agree with you 100%.  What if all the women (just an example) were to show at church up naked.  Would all the guys be like, "WHOA!!!  THEY'RE NAKED!!".  It would be undoubtedly noticeable that all the women are naked.  It's not our fault, as guys, that we should not look.  That is 50% of the deal, we should control ourselves but it is also the other 50% of the responsibility for the girls to dress modestly to not tempt us guys.