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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #35 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 18:32:01 »
Ok, where to start.

Obey, it is neither your place, nor right to judge my faith. You say as much, and then go on to question not my ideas, but whether or not I'm christian. If you want to question my ideas, debate my theories, feel free, that is open for debate and through such perhaps your rebuttals may actually lead me to change my mind on such. My relationship with God however is not your concern, neither do you hold the right to judge it. There have always been people that bring new ideas to the frontline, and face opposition. Early christianity itself serves as a great example of that. How many people were martyered or shunned for their beliefs by their jewish fore fathers?


But Jesus warned us about wolves in sheep's clothing, and if anyone claiming to be a  Christian is picking and choosing what they want to believe, it makes them look like a hypocrite. This is the main reason why so many churches today are a joke. They believe the parts of the Bible that suits them, but shun and reject the parts that makes them uncomfortable.

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« Reply #36 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 18:34:07 »
Ok, where to start.

Obey, it is neither your place, nor right to judge my faith. You say as much, and then go on to question not my ideas, but whether or not I'm christian. If you want to question my ideas, debate my theories, feel free, that is open for debate and through such perhaps your rebuttals may actually lead me to change my mind on such. My relationship with God however is not your concern, neither do you hold the right to judge it. There have always been people that bring new ideas to the frontline, and face opposition. Early christianity itself serves as a great example of that. How many people were martyered or shunned for their beliefs by their jewish fore fathers?


But Jesus warned us about wolves in sheep's clothing, and if anyone claiming to be a  Christian is picking and choosing what they want to believe, it makes them look like a hypocrite. This is the main reason why so many churches today are a joke. They believe the parts of the Bible that suits them, but shun and reject the parts that makes them uncomfortable.




But Jesus warned us about wolves in sheep's clothing, and if anyone claiming to be a  Christian is picking and choosing what they want to believe, it makes them look like a hypocrite. This is the main reason why so many churches today are a joke. They believe the parts of the Bible that suits them, but shun and reject the parts that makes them uncomfortable.

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #37 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 18:36:47 »
between i gave a couple arguments from the bible, and the relevant verses, that you didn't deal with at all from what i can see. Your reply is that for some couples something else *seems* to work better. I don't think that's a good argument. Now if I missed something important I apologize, but if it's between what people feel like doing vs obeying God by taking the Bible seriously then...The problem then becomes we don't have enough common groundwork to go anywhere with this topic.

also there aren't that many different schools of thought. Most Christians most of the time have thought the Bible is the inspired word of God. It wasn't until these higher criticism schools of thought arose that that was seriously challenged and that only the last century, century and a half. Much of this scholarship ends up doubting the validity of foundational Christian claims (like the Jesus Seminar does).

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #38 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 18:58:51 »
Obey,
Yes, there are wolves in sheeps clothing, but Jesus also said in the parable of the wheat that god will sort everythign out in the end, its not your place to do so. If my ideas offend you, I do apologize. Thats not my intent. However, I will be fairly blunt here, nothing raises my ire like someone questioning my relationship with god. You are not me, nor god. You don't know, nor will you ever. This is true of every individual, not just myself. I am not a hypocrite as I have said multiple times that I follow the teachings of Jesus. Unless something changed and I'm not aware of it, Paul isn't him.

Deborah,
There have always been differing opinions on the bible all the way down to which gospels should be included, the divinity of jesus, etc. It has become more openly debated over the past century or two, this is true. BUt christianity as a whole followed human psychology. The oppressed becoming the oppressors. When it was founded, christians were martyred and shunned for their beliefs, since coming into its own as a world religion, it has done the same to other religions. Now to the point where Buddhism and Christianity cannot coexist in the eyes of many christians, which is a sad state of affairs.You're right in the fact that we don't have enough common ground to draw upon. I've used real time scenerios to justify my opinions, you've only drawn on the bible as the definitive answer. Thats fine, but we'll never see eye to eye on things because of that.

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« Reply #38 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 18:58:51 »
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« Reply #39 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:05:04 »
If you reject Paul's writings then you are also attacking Jesus Christ, because Jesus Christ chose Paul to be one of the greatest apostles. You are also attacking God by claiming that he allowed false teachings to end up in the Bible. Either the Bible is God's word, or it isn't. You can't pick and choose. That would be hypocritical.

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« Reply #40 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:06:21 »
Good point Deborah. There is an old saying: A lie told often enough becomes true.

If a lie is repeated often enough, people will eventually come to believe it. In our world today, especially in our Western culture, there is an attack on the Bible, usually the New Testament, that is exploding like an angry volcano. We are constantly being told that the Bible is untrustworthy and is not the inspired word of God. And sadly many professing Christians are starting to doubt God's word. They will accept the Biblical verses that they are comfortable with, but they will reject the verses that they are uncomfortable with.

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #41 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:11:58 »
Obey,
If the bible is divinely inspired and every word is true, then christians should uphold ALL the laws of dueteronomy (sp?). If you don't do so, then according to your own word you are a hypocrite.

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #42 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:19:30 »
On that note, by your standard and you're example, I can question your faith and relationship with god, question whether you are a wolf in sheeps clothing or even a christian. Don't agree? Yeah, me either. A man or womans relationship with God is between them and God. Consider this thoroughly before you start calling into question ones faith lest they do the same to you. What is the phrase Jesus said? Remove the log from your own eye before you try to pull the splinter from your neighbors.

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« Reply #43 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:25:39 »
Obey,
If the bible is divinely inspired and every word is true, then christians should uphold ALL the laws of dueteronomy (sp?). If you don't do so, then according to your own word you are a hypocrite.


If you were a Christian you would know very well that Christians are under the new covenant--the New Testament--so now you are being deceptive. Are you sure you're not really an atheist or a Muslim pretending to be a Christian? I have to ask because no true Christian would ever speak such blasphemous hogwash.

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« Reply #44 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:28:11 »
"Remove the log from your own eye before you try to pull the splinter from your neighbors."

The context of this verse is a warning to the hypocrite: It is a warning to someone who goes round judging others of the very same thing that they themselves are guilty of. It's not talking about true Christians who have repented of their sins. It's talking about hypocrites who are judging others of what they are guilty of. You're the one making blasphemous claims against the Bible, not me.

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #45 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 19:56:54 »
distance I have to ask, what do you believe exactly? Do you believe that Jesus is God?  Do you believe that he died, was buried and was physically resurrected so that we can have eternal life?

Christianity isn't about 'psychology', it's about something happening in the world, a real fact, that changes absolutely everything. The reason we don't obey the rules in deuteronomy is because of this fact. Jesus fulfilled everything promised to the world through Israel, redeemed us through his death and resurrected, and only in Him can we find eternal life with God. He is the way now. This is why the Bible is so important, it is testimony about these events *really* and truly occurring. This isn't on par with Buddhism or anything else. There is only ONE way for us, through Him.

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #46 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 22:16:46 »
Christianity does exist in the world with buddism and Islam etc, but sadly those of other faiths have not found the one way that leads to life and that is through Jesus. Jesus himself said that He is the only way to the Father and we here believe that. Again not at all the politically correct lies that say 'anything goes', and that 'all faiths lead to God'.
 We pray that those of other religions or none will find THE way and many many are. There is really exciting news of many many muslims in the middle east, for example, getting visions and dreams of Jesus and coverting, and I am sure that will happen more and more.

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #47 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 00:40:49 »
In regards to Duteronomy, The phrase that Jesus spoke of fullfilling the prophecies, also spoke that he did not come here to destroy the law. That means that the law is still valid, if Jesus himself followed it, why shouldnt we? Obey, I used the phrase dead on, you are being a hypocrite by saying im not faithful because I only follow what I choose while you are doing the exact same thing while in denial that you're doing it.

Deborah, I consider myself a Christian. By that I mean that I follow the ideals and principals taught to us by Jesus to the best of my ability. I believe that he was the incarnation of the living god, and that he died upon the cross for our sins as the final sacrifice.

Look, I'm not here to stir up a mess. I'm not here to have one or more people tell me that my relationship with God is invalid and treat me ill because they cannot fathom anything different than themselves. If one wishes to debate, again, I have no problem talking ideas, philosophies, etc. When you get down to finger pointing and name calling, you're not doing your faith any justice and I refuse to partake in it. My faith was never in question to me, but I validated it for those who have asked, which is by far more than you deserve. I hope all of you find peace and happiness on your path and I hope it leads to a fruitful life, but this beligerent attack on someone (I'll mention names...OBEY) is nothing short of disrespectful and tasteless. Argue the points, not the faith. Good day.l

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« Reply #48 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 05:09:21 »
But if you read Matthew 7:12 it tells us exactly what the Law and the Prophets are:

"Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets." (Matthew 7:12)

And by the way, if you believe that Jesus insisted we keep all the laws of Deuteronomy, then why don't you do it? Isn't that hypocrisy?

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #49 on: Sun Apr 08, 2012 - 09:32:46 »
1 Corinthians 10:23 ""Everything is permissible"--but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible"--but not everything is constructive." or "You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is good for you. You say, "I am allowed to do anything"--but not everything is beneficial."

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #50 on: Mon Apr 09, 2012 - 09:20:10 »
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In regards to Duteronomy, The phrase that Jesus spoke of fullfilling the prophecies, also spoke that he did not come here to destroy the law. That means that the law is still valid, if Jesus himself followed it, why shouldnt we?
The law was given to the Jews.  Jesus was/is a Jew. (the same yesterday, today, ...)

If you are a Jew then by all means keep the law. (anything still applicable - see below)

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And by the way, if you believe that Jesus insisted we keep all the laws of Deuteronomy, then why don't you do it? Isn't that hypocrisy?
Not all the law CAN be obeyed unless you live in the land of Israel and there is a functioning temple.   Other parts are irrelevant under the New Covenant. 

Do you have a method for determining WHICH commands (of the 613) are to be followed ver batim, which are modified by the New Covenant and which are excluded altogether?

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Re: Should I date a non-Christian?
« Reply #51 on: Fri Apr 27, 2012 - 19:33:32 »
First let's not confuse love, (an action by Jesus example),  with the effects of love, (an emotion). With this in mind I want to ask you question.  If your spouse asks you to stay home from church,  spend your tithes on bills, cheat on your taxes  or turn away a stranger that needs your help at a time when it may be inconvenient for you, who will you choose to honor?

 

     
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