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Re: FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISTS
« Reply #60 on: June 02, 2011, 09:20:38 PM »
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#32 - THOUGHTS ON THE DIVINE GOODNESS RELATIVE TO THE GOVERNMENT OF MORAL AGENTS PARTICULARLY DISPLAYED IN FUTURE REWARDS AND PUNISHMENTS – FERDINAND OLIVER PETITPIERRE

“I am assured that goodness is the foundation, and happiness is the end of all the ways of God, to myself and every creature. Hope is the anchor of my soul, sure and steadfast; for though ‘His ways should be in the deep and His paths in the mighty waters;’ though I should experience every external evil; no affliction shall shake my confidence. Never will I dishonor by a moment’s distrust, a Being Who has in mercy commanded me to ‘cast all my care upon Him;’ because ‘He careth for me.’

I have in the whole of this treatise, in establishing the doctrine of perfect goodness, and following it in its consequences; constantly combated such erroneous opinions as represent the Creator of the human race as a Being Whose power will be employed in inflicting never ending torments on a portion of His creatures, and I have established the non-eternity of future torments.

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« Reply #61 on: June 03, 2011, 08:50:46 AM »
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#33 - HOPE BEYOND HELL – GERRY BEAUCHEMIN (recently published)

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« Reply #62 on: June 03, 2011, 10:57:18 AM »

It is impossible that an omnipotent God can fail in His purpose so that some would forever resist unconditional love opting for everlasting pain. This would be totally irrational. And even if one were that irrational, such resistance would not arise out of a ‘free’ will, but an ‘enslaved’ will, a will in bondage to an enslaved mind.

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« Reply #63 on: June 03, 2011, 12:11:29 PM »
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#34 - AT THE END OF THE AGES THE ABOLITION OF HELL – BOB EVELY

“The culmination of God’s Word is found in 1Corinthian 15 when God become All in all.
The book of Revelation does not take us quite this far. Corruption is eliminated and our bodies are now incorruptible. The worst enemy of all, death, has been abolished.

The salvation of all has not meant the ignoring of sin. The lake of fire, the second death has accomplished its work. All men now recognize the wondrous ways of God and His grace as expressed through the work of Christ. The salvation of all does not negate or minimize the work of the cross. The work of Christ upon the cross and the power of God as displayed through the resurrection, were both very necessary.

But now at the end of the ages we see the true scope of God’s work. Despite the sin and rebellion of humanity, God has found a way to bring every soul to the point of acceptance. The ages have ended. The purpose of the eons has now been fulfilled; to reconcile all to God. Wickedness and evil are gone. Death is no more. God is love, and He is All in all. Eternal life in perfection has begun.

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« Reply #64 on: June 03, 2011, 12:38:11 PM »

The salvation of all has not meant the ignoring of sin. The lake of fire, the second death has accomplished its work.

When was that, precisely?

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All men now recognize the wondrous ways of God and His grace as expressed through the work of Christ. The salvation of all does not negate or minimize the work of the cross. The work of Christ upon the cross and the power of God as displayed through the resurrection, were both very necessary.

All men? Which men? I know plenty of folk who don't recognize God at all, let alone His ways. What planet is this hogwash from?

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But now at the end of the ages we see the true scope of God’s work. Despite the sin and rebellion of humanity, God has found a way to bring every soul to the point of acceptance. The ages have ended. The purpose of the eons has now been fulfilled; to reconcile all to God. Wickedness and evil are gone. Death is no more. God is love, and He is All in all. Eternal life in perfection has begun.

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« Reply #65 on: June 03, 2011, 12:56:10 PM »
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#35 -THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS OR A VINDICATION OF THE GRACE OF GOD TO BE MANIFESTED AT LAST IN THE RECOVERY OF HIS WHOLE CREATION OUT OF THEIR FALL – JEREMIAH WHITE

“It may be questioned whether we understand the terms ‘forever,’ ‘forever and ever,’ and ‘everlasting,’ aright, for these terms are used in divers places as things that have an end and are understood in a limited and qualified sense. These terms are too weak a foundation to build an assertion of everlasting hell upon, as concludes and shuts up God forever in wrath, never to come forth in the exercise of mercy. Whether or not there is an ending is not revealed by the use of these terms.

O my God, Thou art love and canst no more cease to be so than to be Thyself. Take Thy own methods with us, and submit us to them. Well may we do so in an assurance that the beginning, the way, and the end of them all is love. I must believe then that Thy grace will super-abound wherever sin hath most abounded.

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Re: FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISTS
« Reply #66 on: June 03, 2011, 09:30:34 PM »
Great Thread! It has been ages since I came to this forum. I actually totally forgot about it until I just recieved a notification in my email from an very 'old' thread.

I did not not see much activity here some months ago, so I decided not to come back.

Glad to see another CU in the forum. :)
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Re: FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISTS
« Reply #67 on: June 04, 2011, 02:05:27 AM »
Great Thread! It has been ages since I came to this forum. I actually totally forgot about it until I just recieved a notification in my email from an very 'old' thread.

I did not not see much activity here some months ago, so I decided not to come back.

Glad to see another CU in the forum. :)

     

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#36 - THE GREAT DELVERANCE – GUY MARKS

“In 1Timothy 2: 5&6 we read, ‘For there is one God, and one Mediator of God and mankind, a man, Christ Jesus, Who is giving Himself a correspondent Ransom for all (the testimony in its own eras).’ This scripture defines the purpose of God through the name Jesus. Thus God exalts His Son, so at the name of Jesus, the name which means that He is salvation, ‘every knee shall be bowing and every tongue shall be acclaiming that Jesus Christ is Lord.’ Philippians 2:9-11.

The name of Jesus must not be held in contempt. It must be exalted. How could those who bow the knee and acknowledge Him as Lord ever thus dishonor the name of Jesus, which they would be doing if they were lost? It was Jesus who died to save them as He gave His life a correspondent ransom for all. God will exalt that precious name as He transports us all into the kingdom of the Son of His love.

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« Reply #68 on: June 04, 2011, 02:43:12 AM »

The salvation of all has not meant the ignoring of sin. The lake of fire, the second death has accomplished its work.


When was that, precisely?

http://www.christian-universalism.info/lake-of-fire-series.html

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Re: FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISTS
« Reply #69 on: June 04, 2011, 02:53:32 AM »
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#37 - UNION – JAMES RELLY

In his book UNION, Relly presents scriptural texts for the view that universal salvation is assured. He argues that Jesus Christ’s union with all human beings, and His assumption of their guilt for their sins ensures that the entire human race will be saved.
He further argues that faith is the result, not the cause, of experiencing the saving power of God.

He wrote, “Man, being the vessel marred between the Potter’s hands is not rejected, but made into another and better vessel. (Jeremiah 18:2)

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Re: FOR THE ENJOYMENT OF THE CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISTS
« Reply #71 on: June 04, 2011, 10:30:11 AM »
http://www.christian-universalism.info/lake-of-fire-series.html



What do YOU say?


Here is what I say.

Click on this link and scroll down to the box containing the titles of sixteen chapters on the subject of the lake of fire which is the second death.
http://bible-truths.com/

What I say is
that I am not aware of anything in these sixteen chapters by L. Ray Smith with which I am in disagreement.

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« Reply #72 on: June 04, 2011, 10:33:11 AM »
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#38 - THE UNIVERSAL RESTORATION – ELHANAN WINCHESTER

In the memoir of the author it is written, “He found no quietude, until, by a candid and prayerful examination of the Bible, he became fully satisfied that ‘God will have all men to be saved,’ and that ‘He doeth according to His will.’ His change of opinion was soon noised abroad, and produced a great disaffection in many of his former friends.

Here is a snippet from the book.

“The reason why I do not conceive that forever and ever doth intend endless duration is because I find the words as often used for times and periods that must have an end, as you find them used for the misery of the wicked. You bring three passages which are all that are to be found in the whole Bible where they are used in that sense; I shall now invalidate those evidences for endless damnation by bringing an equal number of texts where you will allow the words are used in a limited sense. Is. 30:8; Jer. 7:7; Jer. 35:5.
These passages are as many and as strongly expressed as those which you brought to prove endless misery; and yet nothing can be more evident than that they cannot intend endless duration. The words do not necessarily imply that the wicked shall never be delivered from their sins and consequent suffering.

Now if the words forever and ever signify without end, then there is a contradiction that cannot be reconciled, but only understand them as the ages of the ages, (as indeed they ought to be rendered), and the whole difficulty vanishes at once.

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« Reply #73 on: June 04, 2011, 10:45:55 AM »
http://www.christian-universalism.info/lake-of-fire-series.html



What do YOU say?


Here is what I say.

Click on this link and scroll down to the box containing the titles of sixteen chapters on the subject of the lake of fire which is the second death.
http://bible-truths.com/

What I say is
that I am not aware of anything in these sixteen chapters by L. Ray Smith with which I am in disagreement.


Sorry, but I don't want his opinion. What do YOU say? It couldn't be that difficult.

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« Reply #74 on: June 04, 2011, 10:54:48 AM »
http://www.christian-universalism.info/lake-of-fire-series.html



What do YOU say?


Here is what I say.

Click on this link and scroll down to the box containing the titles of sixteen chapters on the subject of the lake of fire which is the second death.
http://bible-truths.com/

What I say is
that I am not aware of anything in these sixteen chapters by L. Ray Smith with which I am in disagreement.


Sorry, but I don't want his opinion. What do YOU say? It couldn't be that difficult.


If you read what L. Ray Smith wrote you will know what I believe too.
Our opinions are identical.
Ray, however, does a much better job of expressing what I think.

Click on this link and scroll down to the box containing the titles of sixteen chapters on the subject of the lake of fire which is the second death.
http://bible-truths.com/