Marriages

[Vianca2]

God sees the full scope of all things, yet there is a strict division between what is good and what is evil---which to us translates to black and white. He doesn't rationalize things as we do into many hues of gray.

I disagree.  God allowed wars, killings.  He flooded the earth and kill almost everybody plus the animals.  I can go on and on.

What about slavery, God was in favor of that.  Did He change or the culture has change?

What is the point you are trying to make here?  I just want to be sure I am understanding where you are going.  Thank you.

God allowed polygamy because of the culture of the times.  We perceive God in our limited realm of reality.  That why we think He sees things in black and white.  Really the only thing that we can say about God with some certainty is that God is love.

No, there is more we can say with certainty than He is love.  

So He allowed it...does that mean He was pleased by it, or that it blessed Him or glorified His name?  I dont' think so.

How can divorce for the reason of wanting to be happy be something that pleases and glorifies the Father? (I am not talking about long term emotional abuse and wanting to get out from under it, or physical abuse or sexual abuse...just the thought that marriage shouldn't be this hard, there is a greater passion out there waiting for me, a man with better hair, more money, who will make me feel special kind of things.)

I was a child when I accepted Christ.  I behaved like a child; wanted my own way, was sneaky, did things I knew I wasn't supposed to, got caught, lied, got away with it...and God allowed all of it.  Was I pleasing Him in that time? Not even close.

He wasn't please but He did allowed it.  Maybe He had His reasons.  Many men died in wars back then and there were a shortage of them.  Women in those days needed men for their survival most of the time.   No black and white there.

Thats a BIIIIG maybe (the reason for it being men were dying in wars).  All I know is that we are called to do EVERYTHING for the glory of the Lord.  If He isn't pleased or glorified by a behavior, we should do our best to avoid doing it.

I read it in a Bible commentary.  I don't make things up!

Vianca, I did not say nor did I imply that you make things up...I just said its a big maybe for why God would have allowed polygamy.

OK.  But He did allowed it.  Salomon was the wisest man on earth and God blessed him in many ways.  Israel prosper under his rule tremendously.  Yet he was one of the biggest polygamist in the Bible.  I guess God winked in this case.  I do know the Salomon paid a heavy prize for this kind of practice.

  God did not wink...He showed His grace in blessing Solomon despite his human failings...and the fact that Solomon paid a price (had consequences) that were heavy shows God did not "wink", but allowed him to taste what his sin cost him, but continued to bless him...just like He does with us.

[Vianca2]

Who says God ever allowed polygamy, anyway? He isn't schizophrenic. One man and one woman. A man leaves his father and mother and CLEAVES unto his one wife...just as God determined in Genesis.

Polygamy has always been a pagan influence.

Very true but He allowed it and there aren't any rules against it in the OT.  There are no rules against slavery either.  Do you think that slavery is OK?

Slavery as this culture sees and has experienced it is not OK, but slavery as committed according to biblical history was not the same thing. It was a form of employment that made the slave pretty much a part of the family.

Was the employee allowed to leave if he so desired?  If he wasn't then it was slavery.

[Vianca2]

In Bible times women never persue another women's spouse.  Women were properties.  This text was not meant for women.  

 

Are you one of those that tries to say the "lust" warning from Christ only applies to men too?  

By your logic, only men aren't allowed to divorce, but God gives women the right to run out on any relationship they feel isn't meeting their needs 100%.  Pretty silly, if I am going to be honest.  Its like you are saying God told men they could not divorce for burned bread, but His is perfectly ok with women divorcing over not getting enough roses or gifts or compliments.  

The bottom line is that what God brought together, He wants left alone..and ANY outside influence that tries to separate that is in.the.wrong.

 

All rules given in the Bible about marriage and remarriage were intended for men.  Men were the only ones allowed to read the Thorah.  Even in the NT the gospel was given to mostly men.  Paul told women to shut up and don'teven ask a question in the synagogue and ask their husbands later.  This is the macho world were the Bible was written.  It is hard for us to understand this because times have change to much.

Paul did not do that. Seems you have fallen victim to masochism and how it has misunderstood scripture. Be careful.

Yes, he said it to the Philippians or the Ephesians I can look it up for you if you want.

[Merryone]

In Bible times women never persue another women's spouse.  Women were properties.  This text was not meant for women.  

 

Are you one of those that tries to say the "lust" warning from Christ only applies to men too?  

By your logic, only men aren't allowed to divorce, but God gives women the right to run out on any relationship they feel isn't meeting their needs 100%.  Pretty silly, if I am going to be honest.  Its like you are saying God told men they could not divorce for burned bread, but His is perfectly ok with women divorcing over not getting enough roses or gifts or compliments.  

The bottom line is that what God brought together, He wants left alone..and ANY outside influence that tries to separate that is in.the.wrong.

 

All rules given in the Bible about marriage and remarriage were intended for men.  Men were the only ones allowed to read the Thorah.  Even in the NT the gospel was given to mostly men.  Paul told women to shut up and don'teven ask a question in the synagogue and ask their husbands later.  This is the macho world were the Bible was written.  It is hard for us to understand this because times have change to much.

Paul did not do that. Seems you have fallen victim to masochism and how it has misunderstood scripture. Be careful.

Yes, he said it to the Philippians or the Ephesians I can look it up for you if you want.

 I am well aware of it, but you have misunderstood what he was saying.

[Vianca2]

In Bible times women never persue another women's spouse.  Women were properties.  This text was not meant for women.  

 

Are you one of those that tries to say the "lust" warning from Christ only applies to men too?  

By your logic, only men aren't allowed to divorce, but God gives women the right to run out on any relationship they feel isn't meeting their needs 100%.  Pretty silly, if I am going to be honest.  Its like you are saying God told men they could not divorce for burned bread, but His is perfectly ok with women divorcing over not getting enough roses or gifts or compliments.  

The bottom line is that what God brought together, He wants left alone..and ANY outside influence that tries to separate that is in.the.wrong.

 

All rules given in the Bible about marriage and remarriage were intended for men.  Men were the only ones allowed to read the Thorah.  Even in the NT the gospel was given to mostly men.  Paul told women to shut up and don'teven ask a question in the synagogue and ask their husbands later.  This is the macho world were the Bible was written.  It is hard for us to understand this because times have change to much.

Paul did not do that. Seems you have fallen victim to masochism and how it has misunderstood scripture. Be careful.

Yes, he said it to the Philippians or the Ephesians I can look it up for you if you want.

 I am well aware of it, but you have misunderstood what he was saying.

my main point on this threat is to tell everybody that God adapts to the culture where we live.  In other words what might have been wrong back them might not be wrong today.  Or vice-versa

[Merryone]

In Bible times women never persue another women's spouse.  Women were properties.  This text was not meant for women.  

 

Are you one of those that tries to say the "lust" warning from Christ only applies to men too?  

By your logic, only men aren't allowed to divorce, but God gives women the right to run out on any relationship they feel isn't meeting their needs 100%.  Pretty silly, if I am going to be honest.  Its like you are saying God told men they could not divorce for burned bread, but His is perfectly ok with women divorcing over not getting enough roses or gifts or compliments.  

The bottom line is that what God brought together, He wants left alone..and ANY outside influence that tries to separate that is in.the.wrong.

 

All rules given in the Bible about marriage and remarriage were intended for men.  Men were the only ones allowed to read the Thorah.  Even in the NT the gospel was given to mostly men.  Paul told women to shut up and don'teven ask a question in the synagogue and ask their husbands later.  This is the macho world were the Bible was written.  It is hard for us to understand this because times have change to much.

Paul did not do that. Seems you have fallen victim to masochism and how it has misunderstood scripture. Be careful.

Yes, he said it to the Philippians or the Ephesians I can look it up for you if you want.

 I am well aware of it, but you have misunderstood what he was saying.

my main point on this threat is to tell everybody that God adapts to the culture where we live.  In other words what might have been wrong back them might not be wrong today.  Or vice-versa

That is precisely what is wrong with many who call themselves Christians today. They have slipped up on relativism by the truckload. Relativism is a cancer in the body of Christ. Cut it out. It is foolish to think and declare to people that God adapts to humanism!

What was wrong since the beginning is still wrong today. Sin has been and always will be sin.

[MeMyself]

my main point on this threat is to tell everybody that God adapts to the culture where we live.  In other words what might have been wrong back them might not be wrong today.  Or vice-versa

So, you believe that God changes and He does so according to what seems right in man's eyes?  Or according to what suits them best in the culture they live in?

[chosenone]

God never changes, it is US who change.

[wife4life]

Don't think it's anger.  Try replacing the word anger with passionate.  You are passionate about what you are saying, nothing wrong with that.  I haven't heard a minister not be passionate from time to time.

[wife4life]

And...  I think the reason why the bible was written with men as the audience is by design.  I think God intended men to do right and be in charge.  Unfortunately because of free will that doesn't always happen.

He still wants this but they have to live up to the expectations he has set forth for them which are very very high.  Unfortunately failure to do that has caused man to evolve into a world where this has become all very gray.  Or is it grey???   

[janine]

Merryone said:

... To suggest that Jesus ever allowed fear to enter into his life and make him weak and to sin in it is a lie. Please read the bible and learn that there is such a thing as righteous anger, and that God possesses it. Anger is only one in a repertoire of emotions that God has created in us... As followers of Jesus Christ, we also may experience anger, but we are not to allow it to cause us to sin.

He feared plenty in the Garden.  You don't develop hematodrosis from a casual irritation.

He fell into it, becoming weak if you want to look at it that way -- but He was still strong in the arms of His Father.

There was never any sin in either His fear or His anger.  Thats how we should fear, by leaning our powerlessness into the strong arms of God.  And that's how we should be angry -- turning it only against people who should know better, and only for the sake of the Father's honor.