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Re: "One Cup" Church of Christ brethren
« Reply #35 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:37:00 »
An assembly is an assembly, a gathering of people, and I donot see the gathering of people who are Christians in the Bible having their gatherings seperated by titles such as worship, classes, etc.. I do see a hint of a distinction in such as "coming together to eat", " in the name of the Lord", "break bread", 'for the better not the worse", "to comfort and edify", "continuing daily with one accord" etc. I do not find those partaking of the Lord's supper refered to as "one cuppers" either.  We humans are masters at labeling and titleing, at being legal with the titles we create and laying  them down as law.

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The bottom line is that we are told how to assemble, and that is together.  You can have your Bible studies, but don't regard them as a church assembly.
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« Reply #36 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:39:14 »
Says who?

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« Reply #37 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:39:36 »
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Curious that an athiest even cares whether Sunday schools are scriptural or not.

I believe Atheists and legalists are closely linked. They both usually believe that they know more than anyone else and try to take the glory for their "righteousness" for themselves.

Just my opinion.   :)


How can atheists be legalists?

The non-Sunday School Church of Christ are not a bunch of legalists, not the church I was familiar with anyway.  They followed what Paul said in Romans 8, and did not judge on disputable matters.

The church I was associated with fellowshipped Farmers Branch Church of Christ for pete's sake.

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« Reply #38 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:42:30 »
This whole issue, and others like it, remind me of Jesus' words...

"Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel." (Matt. 23:24, KJV).


That is not a very loving attitude because not all of the people you applied this verse to should have it applied to them. Why don't you take Paul's advice in Romans 8 on the matter?
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« Reply #39 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:43:40 »
Are you saying that Jesus was not loving, Barry?

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« Reply #40 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:44:00 »
I've never heard anyone make that argument, but even if they did, so what? If 300 people are in a building, even in different classes, they are, in a sense assembled together, just as they are also assembled together when everybody's in the same room together-but then everybody's not in the same room together if babies, toddlers and their attendents are in the nursery, or if some of the deacons are in the offices counting the contribution, or someone's cleaning the communion trays and cup(s).

The whole thing can degenerates into silliness. Nowhere does scripture say that every single member of the church must be in the same room together for the whole of the assembly. To worry more about who's where in the building than about what's going on where those people are in the building is to really miss the whole point of the assembly IMHO. It is to make the assembly into one more legalistic doctine to argue and divide over. Its elevating the "form of the law" over the" spirit of the law."

And if one cup is mandated by scripture, how many trays/plates/platters are mandated? I guess that would be an inference since trays or plates aren't mentioned. Are trays an expedient? If trays are merely an expedient why aren't cups? This whole argument gets really silly as well when you follow it out to its logical conclusion.

But more importantly, how did we decide we could "abbreviate" the communion feast from a full table meal into a five minutes' passing of trays amidst silent reflection anyway?

Pax vobiscum.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:44:58 »
Are you saying that Jesus was not loving, Barry?

I did not say that.  I said it was unloving for you to apply a verse of the Bible to people it should not be applied to.

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« Reply #42 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:45:31 »
Read my words again.

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« Reply #43 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:50:18 »
Read my words again.

I did.  I never said Jesus was unloving.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:52:41 »
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How can atheists be legalists?

"You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love." Galatians 5:4-6 TNIV Bible

Like that.

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« Reply #45 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:55:16 »
Read my words again.

I did.  I never said Jesus was unloving.

My words from before... I said that the whole issue, and others like it, remind me of Jesus' words.

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« Reply #46 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:56:15 »
By the way, Barry... What are you trying to get at with this discussion? What's your point?

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« Reply #47 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:57:14 »
Read my words again.

I did.  I never said Jesus was unloving.

My words from before... I said that the whole issue, and others like it, remind me of Jesus' words.


Oh, I apologize then.

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« Reply #48 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:58:31 »
I forgive you.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 22:59:13 »
By the way, Barry... What are you trying to get at with this discussion? What's your point?


I was raised in the non-Sunday School Church of Christ, and since the "one cup" people are also non-class, this discussion got me thinking about all the nice and truly good people I used to go to church with.  Some of these good people have been dead twenty years or so, but I can remember them really well.

It is really sad, looking back, that they didn't win out.

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« Reply #50 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 23:02:05 »
What do you mean "win out" Barry?   ???

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« Reply #51 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 23:04:03 »
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What do you mean "win out" Barry?   ???



I mean that they are the ones dying out and not the other Church of Christ types.  


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« Reply #52 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 23:08:02 »
So you mean to tell me you think it is a race for "winning out" for the people?

Ya got it all wrong Barry. Most of us are looking for Jesus, and wherever it leads us, so be it. We are trying to see Him more clearly, not what we want, but what He wants.

When we take our eyes off of Him, is when we "die out", not when we keep our eyes on ourselves or each other.

Blessings Barry,

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« Reply #53 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 23:10:27 »
By the way, Barry... What are you trying to get at with this discussion? What's your point?


I was raised in the non-Sunday School Church of Christ, and since the "one cup" people are also non-class, this discussion got me thinking about all the nice and truly good people I used to go to church with.  Some of these good people have been dead twenty years or so, but I can remember them really well.

It is really sad, looking back, that they didn't win out.

For their sakes, I hope that their faith in Jesus Christ "won out" in the end.

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« Reply #54 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 23:24:13 »
Hopefully their faith was in Jesus and not a doctrinal position.

Pax.

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« Reply #55 on: Wed Mar 08, 2006 - 23:57:20 »
Amen.

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« Reply #56 on: Thu Mar 09, 2006 - 02:37:52 »
By the way, Barry... What are you trying to get at with this discussion? What's your point?


I was raised in the non-Sunday School Church of Christ, and since the "one cup" people are also non-class, this discussion got me thinking about all the nice and truly good people I used to go to church with.  Some of these good people have been dead twenty years or so, but I can remember them really well.

It is really sad, looking back, that they didn't win out.

Based on attendance records, it appears a good percentage of our congregation is of the non-Sunday School variety, as well.

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« Reply #57 on: Thu Mar 09, 2006 - 07:23:02 »
Good one, Nick.

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« Reply #58 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 17:19:00 »
By the way, Barry... What are you trying to get at with this discussion? What's your point?


I was raised in the non-Sunday School Church of Christ, and since the "one cup" people are also non-class, this discussion got me thinking about all the nice and truly good people I used to go to church with.  Some of these good people have been dead twenty years or so, but I can remember them really well.

It is really sad, looking back, that they didn't win out.

Based on attendance records, it appears a good percentage of our congregation is of the non-Sunday School variety, as well.



 rofl ::cryingtears::

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« Reply #59 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 22:41:36 »
Based on normal practices each person would have their CUP: in the Jewish/Babylonian Passover each person was to drink so much that they could not tell one person from another.

However, the Lord's Supper was instituted during the Feast of Unleavened bread which tended to run together with Passover: you KILL the passover you know.

Even so historically ALL churches were one cuppers or one chalice people. So was the church of Christ, Baptist, Methodist etal. G.C. Brewer took credit for introducing the multi cup probably because he had a friend with surplus shot glasses.  So, to try to make that a wacko one cupper hate crime when probably MOST people number wise use one cup.

In North Alabama we were a two glasser church until lots of people came down with TB so we converted. However, as with all of the HATE THE CONSERVATIVES, it was the ONE CUPPERS who did not change from the historical position. It was the SHOT GLASS people who IMPOSED something which sowed the discord. Therefore, by all HONEST measures, the multi-cup are the SECTARIANS.   Since they IMPOSED they should be man enough to take the blame and not whine.  The new ANTism can easily cause people to believe that THEY sowed discord by IMPOSING just one cup.  It is a wacko world.

Once they became the SECTARIANS (as with the music issue) it becomes easy to focus on hate and blame those who were never forced to BEGIN doing what they had NEVER done which are called the sectarians. That is the old GUILT CLAUSE.  "I know I shot you in the heart but YOU caused the fuss by squirting blood on my dancing slippers."

As I remember part of the SUNDAY SCHOOL MOVEMENT especially by the Disciples demanded that it NOT be run by the elders and that everyone use the Standard Material.  We would have a lot more adults if we didn't force them to do cut outs and paste ups even into the 12the grade one Youth Minister told me

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« Reply #60 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 22:48:13 »
Before the church had preachers and WORSHIP SERVICES the ekklesia or synagogue was ALL Sunday School Class with the Bible as the SOLE textbook.  None of that teaching kids about the Old Testament where the KEY HERO was a PIG.  Just say NO says my eldest daughter.

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« Reply #61 on: Sat May 30, 2009 - 23:09:29 »
Are you serious? Where did they get those Bibles blituri? Tyndale Press?
 
The OT was a model for the coming of Christ, in fact He taught on the OT quite frequently, quoting it many, many times, being a good Jewish man that He was. Not only that, all of the prophecys came from the OT that have come to pass, and some yet to be fulfilled.

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« Reply #62 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 05:46:00 »
Before the church had preachers and WORSHIP SERVICES the ekklesia or synagogue was ALL Sunday School Class with the Bible as the SOLE textbook.  None of that teaching kids about the Old Testament where the KEY HERO was a PIG.  Just say NO says my eldest daughter.
What, what, say what?

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« Reply #63 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 09:50:47 »
None of that teaching kids about the Old Testament where the KEY HERO was a PIG.  Just say NO says my eldest daughter.

Guess you didn't get the point? Maybe your kids see a PIG as the hero of the Old Testament?

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« Reply #64 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 14:47:24 »
I don't get the "pig" reference either.  I think you're going to have to explain it to us.

I know that pork was forbidden under Old Testament dietary laws.  But, that's the only thing I know about a "pig" from the OT.  ::shrug::

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« Reply #65 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 19:18:40 »
The "key hero" of the OT must certainly be King David. He was a PIG in that he slept with another man's wife and then had that man killed.

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« Reply #66 on: Sun May 31, 2009 - 21:27:09 »

Never been to an Episcopal service.  Out of curiosity, do all drink from the cup?  I ask, because in Catholic masses not all do.  In fact, from the masses I've attended, most don't.  But they have all been "one cuppers" though I see their use of the one chalice as a bit different than those in the OCCofCs.

As I recall it, they did at the particular congregation I saw.  Maybe there were others and I didn't see it but I was paying attention.

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« Reply #67 on: Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 14:53:45 »
In the Anglican church I attend we drink out of a common chalice, but we are only about 20 people. In large parishes, and this goes for Roman Catholics too, several chalices will be consecrated at the same time.

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« Reply #68 on: Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 15:10:44 »
In the Anglican church I attend we drink out of a common chalice, but we are only about 20 people. In large parishes, and this goes for Roman Catholics too, several chalices will be consecrated at the same time.

I went to the Easter service at the National Cathedral, around 3,000 - 3,500 there. I think they used 8 to 12 cups. Your choice of drink and wipe or fondue method. I opted for the fondue method hoping the wine would kill off whatever got left behind from the sippers.

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« Reply #69 on: Mon Jun 01, 2009 - 15:52:43 »
In the Anglican church I attend we drink out of a common chalice, but we are only about 20 people. In large parishes, and this goes for Roman Catholics too, several chalices will be consecrated at the same time.

I went to the Easter service at the National Cathedral, around 3,000 - 3,500 there. I think they used 8 to 12 cups. Your choice of drink and wipe or fondue method. I opted for the fondue method hoping the wine would kill off whatever got left behind from the sippers.

Where I went it was just wine and crackers because we weren't in an upper room.  Therefore, it was not legitimate.  How about there at the National Cathedral?  Were you in an upper room or following the path of perdition?

 

     
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