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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2010, 11:08:57 PM »
Someone who reflects the teaching of Christ in their lives to those both inside and outside the church. Someone who is able to make good judgements for the collective good of the church. Someone who knows and can teach what Christ taught. In today's world, maybe someone with financial and business sense. However; in NT times, day to day handling of the filthy lucre seems to have been left to the deacons, if we may infer that from Acts 7.
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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2010, 08:05:16 PM »
Zoo, I suspect you have given more thought to this than the rest of us. What are you looking for in an elder?


I am not sure.  Character and substance versus ? Traditional Stoitism? for party line sake.  Sheparding Sheep first rather than arguing about the science of sheparding.  Providing a healthy environment.   Not bowing to the "weaker offended brother" in the nonbiblical sense. Freedom of thought and expression in the boundaries of scriptural support - as opposed to keeping traditions and sound bites as the basis for "unity"  I am not sure.

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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2010, 09:03:14 PM »
Another important aspect of shepherding is balancing moving the congregation "forward" and not causing undo and unnecessary angst. Community peace and unity are important considerations while maturing a group of folks.


....and being willing to take the hits from both sides for not moving fast enough, or moving too fast.


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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2010, 05:45:55 AM »
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Another important aspect of shepherding is balancing moving the congregation "forward" and not causing undo and unnecessary angst.

Moving forward would be nice but I am more worried abut moving backwards.

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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2010, 06:10:05 AM »
It would be someone (perhaps even the person who lead you to Christ) that you turn to when you have trouble in your life,  Someone who you respect their knowledge of the scriptures and wisdom on how to apply them to life. It would be the first person who comes to mind when you are hurting or happy and want to share your joy.  The person you turn to when you have a difficult spiritual question.  The person you most respect in life and especially in spiritual matters.  However, that person is already an "elder" by their life and does not need title to make them one and does not desire the "authority" that comes with an official office.  They are also wise enough not to become involved in church politics by filling a man made office.

But then zoo you know I am not a fan of the institutional church and the authority structure.
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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2010, 06:13:15 AM »
My husband would be the perfect elder.Sadly he wont ever be one as most leaders misread the verse about being the husband of one wife, and exclude divorced and remarried men, forgetting that that would also exclude widowers who are remarried as well.

 Mind you I am not sorry as God is using him in prophecy and other things and believe me, I do NOT want to be an elders wife. ::smile::
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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2010, 07:14:39 AM »
My husband would be the perfect elder.Sadly he wont ever be one as most leaders misread the verse about being the husband of one wife, and exclude divorced and remarried men, forgetting that that would also exclude widowers who are remarried as well.

Sadly, they do not forget about widowers...they exclude them as well.

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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #22 on: May 17, 2010, 05:38:55 PM »
There is no perfect elder!  The best description of a person who would/should be an elder/shepherd is probably found in the title of a book written on this subject by Dr. Lynn Anderson.  The title is "They Smell Like Sheep".  One of the most important observations Anderson makes is how we have confused what Paul had to say about how to spot a person who should be a shepherd.  Tradition says that we choose elders/shepherds based on their qualifications.  IOW, based on a check off list, a man can serve as an elder if he meets the qualifications.  The problem with this tradition in the church is that a man only has to meet the qualification one time to be appointed to that position.  Unfortunately, this is not how we should choose elders.  They should be chosen on the qualities they posses on a continueing basis.  We should also look at those people who attract a following by the nature of how they treat, help, and lead others.  Certain people have a natural ability to shepherd people from the ground level, which is why Anderson uses the phrase They Smell Like Sheep.  They are right there in the middle of the herd and they pick up the smell of the herd.  THey don't lead from a position of aloofness like many of us have seen in our elderships over the years.

Paul, in 1 Timothy and Titus, gave examples of what to look for in a shepherd.  These are not the only personal qualities we need to look for but are an example of the types of traits we should be looking for.

If a person (male or female) is recognized by their servant leadership style as being one who is among the sheep and smells like the sheep while leading the sheep by the way of personal qualities that inspire trust and following, then that is as close as you can get to the perfect elder.
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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #23 on: May 17, 2010, 06:55:36 PM »
In the eyes of most church going folks, as picky as they are... The only good elder would be a dead one.

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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #24 on: May 17, 2010, 08:25:41 PM »
If a person (male or female) is recognized by their servant leadership style as being one who is among the sheep and smells like the sheep while leading the sheep by the way of personal qualities that inspire trust and following, then that is as close as you can get to the perfect elder.

I am with you but it would be as easy to convince the people in my congregation of this as it would that there might be some Presbyterians in heaven or that singing to a piano won't send you to hell.

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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2010, 05:44:09 AM »
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forgetting that that would also exclude widowers who are remarried as well.

In the conservative/traditional congregations I have been involved with over the years, loosing a spouse to death is an immediate disqualification for being an elder and a resignation is usually expected to be made at the earliest opportunity.
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most leaders misread the verse about being the husband of one wife, and exclude divorced and remarried men
and that includes the mis-application made to widowers.
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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2010, 12:29:43 PM »
I grew up in a congregation where people fussed over whether a man with one child met the qualification of having children (construed as a requirement for multiple children) and if adopted children counted. Needless to say, we went years without an eldership.

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Re: Describe the perfect "elder"
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2010, 06:55:32 PM »
The perfect elder is to busy loving his brothers and sisters, living God's will and sharing the good news to be worried about an office or authority. 
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