another way to be saved?

[lancelot]

The fact remains that God has changed His mind on a number of occasions, and His response is along the lines of "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."

That's not a response about Him changing His mind. 

That mercy statement makes irrelevant whatever He has said before, and especially in the way people have understood Him.

No, not at all.  God declares something and it's the truth and then changes His mind so His statement is not true?  You're wrong.  And you're saying all this in promotion of something the Bible doesn't teach.

When Jesus said UNLESS one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God, that statement rules out any other way.  That statement becomes false if a sinner enters the kingdom of God without being born again. 

When God said that He would have mercy upon those whom He will have mercy, that statement is IN ACCORD with all other statements He made, not changing them.  Whom does God have mercy upon today?  Upon those who are born again and no one else.

Upon those who repent and no one else.

Upon those who believe in Jesus and no one else.

Upon those who obey the gospel and no one else.

Lancelot

[lancelot]

The Roman passage reads like this:

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Jewish writing was characterized by the use of doublets, usually in poetry, but not always. This is what is happening here. Belief and confession are parallel and they are not perceived in this passage as two behaviors that can be separated. The context is about faith, not steps for salvation, and there is no intent here to divide faith and confession.

There was no effort whatsoever to examine the text to show that this was a case of parallelism.  There was no effort at all to look at the text to show that belief and confession are used interchangeably.  I examined the text and pointed out that they are not. 

(1) Belief and confession have two different meanings and aren't interchangeable at all.
(2) Belief is in the heart while confession is with the mouth.  One is inward; one is outward.  The two are not the same.
(3) Both the verse and you and spoke of belief AND confession.

Let's examine your assertion that they are parallel verses.  I turned to Psalms and the first passage I found with parallel lines were two in Ps.21, which read:

v.8a Your hand will find all Your enemies
v.8b Your right hand will find those who hate You.

There is no such parallelism in Rom.10:9,10.  Both belief and confession are mentioned in both verses.  Thus, even if parallelism existed, belief in v.9 is parallel to belief in v.10 and confession in v.9 is parallel to confession in v.10.

But the thoughts aren't parallel.  In v.9, what one believes and what one confesses is given.  But in v.10, the result of believing and the result of confession is given. 

Lancelot

[DCR]

The fact remains that God has changed His mind on a number of occasions, and His response is along the lines of "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."

That's not a response about Him changing His mind. 

This seems to be:

Exodus 32 (NASB)
    9The LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people.  10"Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation."
    11Then Moses entreated the LORD his God, and said, "O LORD, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?  12"Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, 'With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people.
    13"Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.'"
    14So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

[lancelot]

The fact remains that God has changed His mind on a number of occasions, and His response is along the lines of "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."

That's not a response about Him changing His mind. 

This seems to be:

Exodus 32 (NASB)
    9The LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people.  10"Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation."
    11Then Moses entreated the LORD his God, and said, "O LORD, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?  12"Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, 'With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people.
    13"Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.'"
    14So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

(1) My response was that the passage he quoted was NOT about God changing His mind.
(2) The issue is about what one must do to be saved, not about whether God changes His mind about destroying all of Israel or not and forming a new nation from Moses.

Lancelot

[Debdasc]

Is there another way, in these days of the new testament of Christ, to be saved other than by hearing the gospel, believing it, repenting of one's sins, confessing Jesus as Lord, and being immersed for the forgiveness of sins?

Lancelot

Deb:  Nope, there is not


Lively:  Not that I know of... that is what I have obeyed and continue to teach to this day...

[Livelysword]

The fact remains that God has changed His mind on a number of occasions, and His response is along the lines of "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."

That's not a response about Him changing His mind. 

This seems to be:

Exodus 32 (NASB)
    9The LORD said to Moses, "I have seen this people, and behold, they are an obstinate people.  10"Now then let Me alone, that My anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them; and I will make of you a great nation."
    11Then Moses entreated the LORD his God, and said, "O LORD, why does Your anger burn against Your people whom You have brought out from the land of Egypt with great power and with a mighty hand?  12"Why should the Egyptians speak, saying, 'With evil intent He brought them out to kill them in the mountains and to destroy them from the face of the earth'? Turn from Your burning anger and change Your mind about doing harm to Your people.
    13"Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, Your servants to whom You swore by Yourself, and said to them, 'I will multiply your descendants as the stars of the heavens, and all this land of which I have spoken I will give to your descendants, and they shall inherit it forever.'"
    14So the LORD changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.

Lively:  So his changing his mind here is rescinding on the law which he gave to Moses to save people contrary to what he gave to Moses as the way to be saved for the Jews?  While he was going to save the Jews according to the laws he gave them... he is now rescinding that law and is providing salvation by another means is that correct?  Even if he kills every last one of them but Moses... the law He is giving will not change one IOTA...  He will simply start with Moses and make a better nation from scratch starting from Moses...  but the salvation of the People which come out of Moses will remain the same... Identical.. it will not change one IOTA...

[HRoberson]

 

[Livelysword]

Lively:  I see you are eating a lot of popcorn tonight...  I think that is a good idea at times to just sit and watch and see what is happening...

[HRoberson]

Lively:  I see you are eating a lot of popcorn tonight...  I think that is a good idea at times to just sit and watch and see what is happening...

Yes. And the fiber and the oil help in other ways.....