Anyone observing "Great Communion"?

[Livelysword]

The greatest enemy to lively (et al) is someone who professes the Christ as Lord.  But then, that is common amongst all of us believers.  We point and accuse fellow believers with a passion if they understand theology differently than we do.  We don't spend that much energy on nonbelievers.

Lively:  Not everyone who calls Christ Lord Lord will enter into the kingdom of heaven...  why is that?  Why call him Lord Lord and do not the things he says?  Well, disobedience to the gospel is the works of the flesh and a reprobate mind.  I see no reason to spend a great deal of time with those who are of a mind to continue to reject the truth.


Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

[Snargles]

Well, disobedience to the gospel is the works of the flesh and a reprobate mind.  I see no reason to spend a great deal of time with those who are of a mind to continue to reject the truth.

How much error do you allow before you cut someone off?

What about a person who was immersed and takes the LS weekly but who sings while an organ plays because he has been taught all his life that that is acceptable? Is he a hopeless reprobate or a brother in error who needs additional teaching?

What about a person who reads in scripture that we are to be baptized and then looks up "baptize" in the dictionary and sees that the word includes dipping, pouring and sprinkling and is then sprinkled. He is sincerely trying to follow the word and has consulted a reference work that he thinks will give him answers. Does his ingnorance preclude him from being your brother?

What about someone in the CoC who teaches that it is a sin to eat in the church building? He is causing division by binding things that are not bound in scripture. Lost or brother in error?

Would you consider allowing a woman to pass communion, supporting a childrens home, preaching against supporting a childrens home, teaching that we are to only use one cup or teaching that divided classes are wrong to be works of the flesh  and of a reprobate mind?

How closely does a person have to conform to your beliefs for you to consider him a brother?

[Livelysword]

Well, disobedience to the gospel is the works of the flesh and a reprobate mind.  I see no reason to spend a great deal of time with those who are of a mind to continue to reject the truth.

How much error do you allow before you cut someone off?

What about a person who was immersed and takes the LS weekly but who sings while an organ plays because he has been taught all his life that that is acceptable? Is he a hopeless reprobate or a brother in error who needs additional teaching?

What about a person who reads in scripture that we are to be baptized and then looks up "baptize" in the dictionary and sees that the word includes dipping, pouring and sprinkling and is then sprinkled. He is sincerely trying to follow the word and has consulted a reference work that he thinks will give him answers. Does his ingnorance preclude him from being your brother?

What about someone in the CoC who teaches that it is a sin to eat in the church building? He is causing division by binding things that are not bound in scripture. Lost or brother in error?

Would you consider allowing a woman to pass communion, supporting a childrens home, preaching against supporting a childrens home, teaching that we are to only use one cup or teaching that divided classes are wrong to be works of the flesh  and of a reprobate mind?

How closely does a person have to conform to your beliefs for you to consider him a brother?

Lively:  How about the way the bible teaches it... after the first and second admonition reject...  and any baptism which is not in accordance to the word of God, does not make one my brother.  Even if I was to call him my brother, I would be mistaken and he still would not be my brother.  I hardly think that eating in a church building is a sin.   One must follow closely enough scripture and doctrine in order for God to add him to the church and he to become my brother.  It is not by my standard, but by God's standard, for if he does not follow closely enough what God says to do to become a child of God, then he can not be my brother no matter what I say.  I simply view what God says one must do to be saved, and use that as the guide to tell me if he has become my brother or not.

[HRoberson]

Well, disobedience to the gospel is the works of the flesh and a reprobate mind.  I see no reason to spend a great deal of time with those who are of a mind to continue to reject the truth.

How much error do you allow before you cut someone off?

What about a person who was immersed and takes the LS weekly but who sings while an organ plays because he has been taught all his life that that is acceptable? Is he a hopeless reprobate or a brother in error who needs additional teaching?

What about a person who reads in scripture that we are to be baptized and then looks up "baptize" in the dictionary and sees that the word includes dipping, pouring and sprinkling and is then sprinkled. He is sincerely trying to follow the word and has consulted a reference work that he thinks will give him answers. Does his ingnorance preclude him from being your brother?

What about someone in the CoC who teaches that it is a sin to eat in the church building? He is causing division by binding things that are not bound in scripture. Lost or brother in error?

Would you consider allowing a woman to pass communion, supporting a childrens home, preaching against supporting a childrens home, teaching that we are to only use one cup or teaching that divided classes are wrong to be works of the flesh  and of a reprobate mind?

How closely does a person have to conform to your beliefs for you to consider him a brother?

Lively:  How about the way the bible teaches it... after the first and second admonition reject...  and any baptism which is not in accordance to the word of God, does not make one my brother.  Even if I was to call him my brother, I would be mistaken and he still would not be my brother.  I hardly think that eating in a church building is a sin.   One must follow closely enough scripture and doctrine in order for God to add him to the church

....and God added that day 3000 men to the church.

I wonder, did they all grasp the finite requirements of doing church?

[Livelysword]

Well, disobedience to the gospel is the works of the flesh and a reprobate mind.  I see no reason to spend a great deal of time with those who are of a mind to continue to reject the truth.

How much error do you allow before you cut someone off?

What about a person who was immersed and takes the LS weekly but who sings while an organ plays because he has been taught all his life that that is acceptable? Is he a hopeless reprobate or a brother in error who needs additional teaching?

What about a person who reads in scripture that we are to be baptized and then looks up "baptize" in the dictionary and sees that the word includes dipping, pouring and sprinkling and is then sprinkled. He is sincerely trying to follow the word and has consulted a reference work that he thinks will give him answers. Does his ingnorance preclude him from being your brother?

What about someone in the CoC who teaches that it is a sin to eat in the church building? He is causing division by binding things that are not bound in scripture. Lost or brother in error?

Would you consider allowing a woman to pass communion, supporting a childrens home, preaching against supporting a childrens home, teaching that we are to only use one cup or teaching that divided classes are wrong to be works of the flesh  and of a reprobate mind?

How closely does a person have to conform to your beliefs for you to consider him a brother?

Lively:  How about the way the bible teaches it... after the first and second admonition reject...  and any baptism which is not in accordance to the word of God, does not make one my brother.  Even if I was to call him my brother, I would be mistaken and he still would not be my brother.  I hardly think that eating in a church building is a sin.   One must follow closely enough scripture and doctrine in order for God to add him to the church

....and God added that day 3000 men to the church.

I wonder, did they all grasp the finite requirements of doing church?

Lively:  Lets see?


Act 2:42  And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
Act 2:43  And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Act 2:44  And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45  And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Act 2:46  And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
Act 2:47  Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.


the answer... Yes, they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

[HRoberson]

So on the day after Pentecost, none of those new Christians did anything that you wouldn't authorize today?

I'm thinking you're a bit off.

[Livelysword]

So on the day after Pentecost, none of those new Christians did anything that you wouldn't authorize today?

I'm thinking you're a bit off.

Lively:  You can think what you like... I am simply posting scripture and pointing to what it states.   How can I be off just stating scripture, unless you believe scripture is off...??

[Johnb]

Lively
Do you meet with the assembly daily and teach the gospel from house to house?  Have you sold all your possesions and share everything in common with the other saints? 

[Mere Nick]

Lively:  How about the way the bible teaches it... after the first and second admonition reject... 

Well, you've been told at least twice about the communion in an upper room.  I guess someone will have to write you up in some publication and mark you as an apostate.

[HRoberson]

Quoting Scripture doesn't mean anything as a purusal of Paul's accusations against the Jews would clearly show. But in order to understand that nuance, one would need to understand Scripture rather than simply quote it.

[Mere Nick]

Quoting Scripture doesn't mean anything as a purusal of Paul's accusations against the Jews would clearly show. But in order to understand that nuance, one would need to understand Scripture rather than simply quote it.

Mmm hmm.  Even the devil can quote scripture.

[Livelysword]

Lively
Do you meet with the assembly daily and teach the gospel from house to house?  Have you sold all your possesions and share everything in common with the other saints? 

Lively:  what Jerusalem did on Pentecost was not a model for all to follow.  Such was not taught nor done in other congregations, even of the other Jewish congregations.   Was this the model also in Antioch where Paul was a member?   Also those who sold lands and brought them, was it not in their own power to bring them or not?  Example Ananias and Sapphira.

Act 5:4  Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.


They did not have to sell it, when it remained, it was theirs, nor did they have to give all of what they sold it for...  it was within their own power.

[DCR]

Was this the model also in Antioch where Paul was a member? 

It could have been.  How do you know it wasn't?

[Johnb]

Lively
  This is what they did after Pentecost to spread the gospel.  To say this is not a part of "the pattern but others are is purely subjective.  You can not point to one assembly that has all the "requirements" you claim but you are perfectly willing to cast off the ones that don't fit your "pattern".      

[Livelysword]

Lively
  This is what they did after Pentecost to spread the gospel.  To say this is not a part of "the pattern but others are is purely subjective.  You can not point to one assembly that has all the "requirements" you claim but you are perfectly willing to cast off the ones that don't fit your "pattern".      

Lively:  Where does it state this was done to spread the gospel?   This is what scripture states... where here does it state this was done to spread the gospel?


Act 2:44  And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
Act 2:45  And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.


Act 4:34  Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,
Act 4:35  And laid them down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.


To me it sounds like distribution was made to every man according as he had need, so none were lacking...   If you have some different scripture where this money was used to spread the gospel, by all means bring it.