Baptism form of doctrine...

[Livelysword]

Lively: One has to understand when studying the bible, that any one subject is not spoken of in its entirety in just one place... but may be spoken in many many places, and so all places which discuss a subject are all pertenant to the subject... when we look at such subjects as faith, repentence, confession, baptism, hope, and love, we will not find the totality of what we can understand about them in just one set of verses... but that they are spoken throughout the NT by many different authors of the NT books and to many many people which were being spoken to... one thing we know about the book of acts, that every time we see a conversion from sinner to saint, one who obeyed the gospel message delivered to them... we have seen one being baptized... every single time... and such patterns are for our learning... they are forms or a pattern of doctrine... and we should easily understand how we are to treat such...
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Is it not time that some obey from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered unto them?? The very context of this being spoken is in direct connection with being baptized...
Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also [in the likeness] of [his] resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with [him], that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
Rom 6:13 Neither yield ye your members [as] instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members [as] instruments of righteousness unto God.
Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Rom 6:17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.
Rom 6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.



and concerning that which is above... for he that is dead is freed from sin... goes directly to the reason why one is to be baptized...


1Cr 15:29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?


The reason we are baptized for dead is so we can be risen from the dead in Christ, being freed from our sins... and where remission of sins is, there is the blood of Christ...
Hbr 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.

Christ shed his blood upon the cross that we may be forgiven of our sins.. and as many of us as have been baptized into Christ, have been baptized into his death... we are buried with Christ by baptism into death and raised by the power of his resurrection to walk in newness of life... That is salvation in Christ... and any who try and climb up some other way... is a thief and a Robber....
Jhn 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

[Scoobydoo]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

[Livelysword]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

The reason for no response is its hard to speak directly against that which the bible plainly teaches and have any credibility whatsoever.  So they will leave it alone and move to something else which is less clear in their minds.

[Scoobydoo]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

You know that was my conclusion

Scoobydoo

[Tantor]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

The reason for no response is its hard to speak directly against that which the bible plainly teaches and have any credibility whatsoever.  So they will leave it alone and move to something else which is less clear in their minds.

Actually, the post is more of the same regarding this topic.  Modern Christians feel that the bible was written for everybody at every time.. which is something I totally disagree with.  The word Baptism for one has evolved over the last 2k years to mean something that it never did back then.. and we have 3rd party documents that bear this out.

The other problem is the Jewish centric nature of Jesus and the 12... yet Jesus personally chose Paul to go to the Gentiles and Paul was proud that he didnt baptise anyone (although it could be argued that others did the baptizing).

I challenge you to look at each letter that references baptism as a singular unit and understand the specific teaching it is trying to get across... after you have done that for every instance... then look at it from the entire scope of God's plan of redemption and your view of baptism will be radically changed.

[Livelysword]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

You know that was my conclusion

Scoobydoo

Lively:  Hey scooby... I am in Texas as well... and its sunny here today as well...  what part of Texas you in?

[marc]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

Because this has been discussed thoroughly on other threads.

And because, frankly, most of those whom Lively likes to bait have not rejected baptism. 

Pretty simple, really.

[Livelysword]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

Because this has been discussed thoroughly on other threads.

And because, frankly, most of those whom Lively likes to bait have not rejected baptism. 

Pretty simple, really.

Lively:  I am not here to bait any...  but to simply teach the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ... and what it takes to have salvation and how we are to act and live a faithful Christian life... and it is my hope that I can be encouraged from others who also post here and speak the truth of the gospel as well...  I know this particular forum is the church of Christ... but I do not believe many who post here are actually church of Christ members, or not very faithful ones... but that many are from earlier splits of the church, such as disciples of Christ or the independent Christian church... and perhaps others as well...  but I also understand even amongst churches of Christ, there are many very liberal churches as well which have no problems playing instruments of music in worship to God...  in fact I would say the Liberal churches are just as plentiful now days as the conservative churches of Christ...

[Mere Nick]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

Because this has been discussed thoroughly on other threads.

And because, frankly, most of those whom Lively likes to bait have not rejected baptism. 

Pretty simple, really.

Yep, that sums it up.

[Mere Nick]

but I also understand even amongst churches of Christ, there are many very liberal churches as well which have no problems playing instruments of music in worship to God...  in fact I would say the Liberal churches are just as plentiful now days as the conservative churches of Christ...

There are also liberal congregations out there who won't follow the examples given of sharing communion in an upper room.

[Scoobydoo]

Mere Nick, Greetings in Christ from rainy and cooler Texas,

Oh the joy of studying the scriptures by covenants and not by testaments..Most "any" church will not take the Passover supper in any room...unless of course they are Jewish and then most likely not.

Scoobydoo

[Scoobydoo]

Lively, greetings in Christ from rainy Texas,

I live where Texax Tech reigns and the International Sunset school calls home.

Scoobydoo

[Livelysword]

Lively, greetings in Christ from rainy Texas,

I live where Texax Tech reigns and the International Sunset school calls home.

Scoobydoo

Lubbock area then?

[Scoobydoo]

You win

Scoobydoo

[zoonance]

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Wow! 167 reads and no responses. Any idea as to why?

Scoobydoo

Because this has been discussed thoroughly on other threads.

And because, frankly, most of those whom Lively likes to bait have not rejected baptism. 

Pretty simple, really.

Lively:  I am not here to bait any...  but to simply teach the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ... and what it takes to have salvation and how we are to act and live a faithful Christian life... and it is my hope that I can be encouraged from others who also post here and speak the truth of the gospel as well...  I know this particular forum is the church of Christ... but I do not believe many who post here are actually church of Christ members, or not very faithful ones... but that many are from earlier splits of the church, such as disciples of Christ or the independent Christian church... and perhaps others as well...  but I also understand even amongst churches of Christ, there are many very liberal churches as well which have no problems playing instruments of music in worship to God...  in fact I would say the Liberal churches are just as plentiful now days as the conservative churches of Christ...

and what is the gospel of Jesus Christ?