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Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« on: December 26, 2012, 01:06:23 PM »
I find the views concerning the Holy Spirit which are expressed in this forum to be rather contradictory to the history of the Churches of Christ.  The Churches of Christ claim that the church was born in America at Cane Ridge, with the aid of Barton Stone and his church which hosted the communion service at Cane Ridge, Kentucky, in 1801.  What began as a community communion service became a pentecostal type revival that lasted for weeks.  People fell prostrate to the ground and spoke in tongues, they were healed, they were saved.  Barton Stone and other preachers such as area Methodist preachers preached there off and on for weeks. 

One time I watched a program on PBS which showed a busload of Church of Christ folk who traveled to Cane Ridge with their ministers to have an accapella song service inside Barton Stones original church building which is now housed inside a larger outer shell of a building.  Such groups make a pilgrimage of sorts to that church and celebrate the birth of the one true church.  How can this be?  The Churches of Christ would deny that most of what happened there during that revival was truly of God. 

What are the positions of the Churches of Christ folk who post here concerning the Cane Ridge Revival?  Do you accept what happend there as of God?  Are your brethren that go there to celebrate the birth of your new group heretics for accepting this as the birth of the church in America? 

FYI, Stone thought that new converts should be called merely Christians while Alexander Campbell felt that they should be called Disciples.  This was the beginning of the two groups who were known mostly as Disciples of Christ, but many in the Disciples thought that the northern Disciples had become too worldly with their fancy buildings and their use of instrumental music, so they eventually split off to become the Churches of Christ.  Take your pick of the dates of 1901 or 1905 as the date of that new denomination.  The split became formal in 1905.
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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2012, 01:26:35 PM »
You're kidding.  The very heart of the move of the Spirit, and CoC people appreciate it?

Or did I read you wrong?

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« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2012, 03:13:37 PM »
I see the "barking exercises" (as Stone called them) and the falling down and writhing on the ground at Cane Ridge to be mass hysteria. The good that Stone and Campbell did was throwing off the accretions of the Catholic church and getting back to basics. Unfortunately, they could not agree on just what the basics were. Campbell's inflated impression of himself didn't help matters. I have been to Cane Ridge several times and view it as the place where we started to use the Bible for our doctrine rather than the teachings of men.

With regard to the DoC/CoC split, we started to go our separate ways during the Civil War. With no central headquarters it took us longer to divide than it would a hierarchical church but by the early 1900s there was no question that two separate denominations existed (I am willing to call the CoC a denom).

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2012, 03:38:32 PM »
You're kidding.  The very heart of the move of the Spirit, and CoC people appreciate it?

Or did I read you wrong?

I don't think I understand your comment nor do I think you understood my post. 

I hope that Church of Christ folk will comment on whether or not they acknowledge this Cane Ridge Revival and those things that happened during that revival as they claim that this revival which took place along with Barton Stone (one of their founders) and his congregation was proof of the birth of the true church in America.  A Restoration Movement had begun in Scotland a number of years earlier. 

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2012, 03:49:52 PM »
I see the "barking exercises" (as Stone called them) and the falling down and writhing on the ground at Cane Ridge to be mass hysteria. The good that Stone and Campbell did was throwing off the accretions of the Catholic church and getting back to basics. Unfortunately, they could not agree on just what the basics were. Campbell's inflated impression of himself didn't help matters. I have been to Cane Ridge several times and view it as the place where we started to use the Bible for our doctrine rather than the teachings of men.

With regard to the DoC/CoC split, we started to go our separate ways during the Civil War. With no central headquarters it took us longer to divide than it would a hierarchical church but by the early 1900s there was no question that two separate denominations existed (I am willing to call the CoC a denom).

Hah!  Just the answer I expected.  I could have pre-written it.  So, Barton Stone used his hypnotic powers to cause these people to create mass hysteria in the name of the Lord.  Why would you claim him as a founder? 

Your teachings are of men. 

Who came up with the six step program and then whittled it down to five so they could be numbered along with the use of the digits of a single hand?  Hint:  It was a man.

Who said that the church had stopped preaching water baptism for the remission of sins and that teaching needed to be restored?  Hint:   It was a man. 

Who claims that it is a sin to have a kitchen in the building?  Hint:  Men.

Who claims it to be a sin to use multiple communion cups?  Hint:  Men. 

You mentioned the Civil War.  Good.  Alexander Campbell was a slave owner.  He was arrested in Scotland when he went back there for a visit.  Students at his Bethany College nearly burned down the place in protest of his having been a slave owner. 

Church of Christ folk give me a chuckle.  They are selective about Bible verses (proof-texting) and they are also selective about which aspects of their history they will claim and which aspects of their history that they deny. 

Church of Christ folk then go to Cane Ridge to celebrate mass hysteria along with the birth of the one true church.    ::crackup::

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2012, 04:22:52 PM »
Stone didn't whip the people into a frenzy. They were a bunch of Presbyterians who came to an annual Eucharistic festival and played off each other until they acted like a bunch of Pentacostals. Stone didn't agree with such practices.

5 step program - Walter Scott's method of introducing salvation to the unchurched. Not intended to be a complete explanation.
Who said water baptism is necessary for salvation? God, speaking through the NT writers. If you have a complaint, take it up with God.
No kitchen in the building - a lot of strange legalists that I don't count as kin. I eat in the building.
No multiple cups - a smaller group than the non-eaters. I don't know any personally. I have used multiple cups all my life.
Stone and Campbell both freed their slaves. Stone thought that owning slaves was inconsistent with Christianity. Campbell was against slavery but said that the apostle Paul taught that if you were were a slave you should be loyal to your master.
When I go to Cane Ridge I don't think about the mass hysteria. I think "this is where a group of Presbyterians realized they should follow the Bible for doctrine and call themselves Christians."

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2012, 04:25:33 PM »
You're kidding.  The very heart of the move of the Spirit, and CoC people appreciate it?

Or did I read you wrong?

I don't think I understand your comment nor do I think you understood my post. 

I hope that Church of Christ folk will comment on whether or not they acknowledge this Cane Ridge Revival and those things that happened during that revival as they claim that this revival which took place along with Barton Stone (one of their founders) and his congregation was proof of the birth of the true church in America.  A Restoration Movement had begun in Scotland a number of years earlier.
My comment was that I cannot believe anyone in the CoC would ever acknowledge any association with something like the Cane Ridge Revivals, even if it WAS presbyterian in origin, let alone make pilgrimages there to honor the happenings..

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2012, 05:14:25 AM »
So the Presbyterian Proto-CoC/DoC were having a Pentecostal revival a whole CENTURY before Azuza Street?  Amazing!

I never heard of that before.

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« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2012, 06:27:05 AM »
It is not too difficult to "whip people into hysteria." Look at what Hitler did. Khamenei, Bin Laden.
 
Ever been to a football pep rally where you see kids with their hair dyed and tattooed from neck to toes shouting obscenities?  Ever been to a Baptist or Pentecostal church revival where the preacher runs up and down shouting "hallelujah praise the Lord" where both men and women roll on the floor?
How about Obama in Cleveland, Ohio when he promised cell phones to all who came out to vote.
We, the tax payer we pick up that promise of hysteria. Many, in a hysteria, called for removing God from the Democratic platform at their convension.
So Cane Ridge 1801 is no different. I'm sure God will sort it out. He did in the wilderness of Sin when He told Moses to lift up "a serpent of brass and put it upon a pole."
You know the rest of that story.....hysterics in the camp of Israel.

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2012, 07:00:30 AM »
From what I have read Stone was a more emotional and effective preacher than Campbell but he did not understand the barking and falling down of folks a Cane Ridge.  It was not something he came up with or was a goal but something that happened and in the end he came to believe it was from God.

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2012, 08:52:39 AM »
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I have been to Cane Ridge several times and view it as the place where we started to use the Bible for our doctrine rather than the teachings of men.
About time, too.  Nobody else used the Bible in the 1500 years before that.  This takes "having a higher opinion of ourselves that we ought" to a whole new level. Oy, vey!

And Tyler, when the Holy Spirit appears to have done something and you identify it with the work of Hitler and Khomeini, you show an entire lack of the fear of God and a frightening confidence that you know just what happened when you were not there, don't know anybody who was there, and don't believe in any of it in the first place.  I would advise a review of what Jesus says about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit before you natter on further in the darkness.  No doubt God has long ago "sorted out" Cane Ridge to his satisfaction.  He leads us, he does not just sit in heaven and keep score.  But your words are still before the bench.  It is often unwise to judge things of which we do have some direct knowledge; it is downright foolhardy to judge things of which we have NO direct knowledge, especially when they involve God working among his people.

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2012, 08:58:58 AM »
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I have been to Cane Ridge several times and view it as the place where we started to use the Bible for our doctrine rather than the teachings of men.
About time, too.  Nobody else used the Bible in the 1500 years before that.  This takes "having a higher opinion of ourselves that we ought" to a whole new level. Oy, vey!

And Tyler, when the Holy Spirit appears to have done something and you identify it with the work of Hitler and Khomeini, you show an entire lack of the fear of God and a frightening confidence that you know just what happened when you were not there, don't know anybody who was there, and don't believe in any of it in the first place.  I would advise a review of what Jesus says about blasphemy against the Holy Spirit before you natter on further in the darkness.  No doubt God has long ago "sorted out" Cane Ridge to his satisfaction.  He leads us, he does not just sit in heaven and keep score.  But your words are still before the bench.  It is often unwise to judge things of which we do have some direct knowledge; it is downright foolhardy to judge things of which we have NO direct knowledge, especially when they involve God working among his people.
Ouch!

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2012, 12:56:35 PM »
From what I have read Stone was a more emotional and effective preacher than Campbell but he did not understand the barking and falling down of folks a Cane Ridge.  It was not something he came up with or was a goal but something that happened and in the end he came to believe it was from God.
From what I have read Stone was a more emotional and effective preacher than Campbell but he did not understand the barking and falling down of folks a Cane Ridge.  It was not something he came up with or was a goal but something that happened and in the end he came to believe it was from God.
It is not too difficult to "whip people into hysteria." Look at what Hitler did. Khamenei, Bin Laden.
 
Ever been to a football pep rally where you see kids with their hair dyed and tattooed from neck to toes shouting obscenities?  Ever been to a Baptist or Pentecostal church revival where the preacher runs up and down shouting "hallelujah praise the Lord" where both men and women roll on the floor?
How about Obama in Cleveland, Ohio when he promised cell phones to all who came out to vote.
We, the tax payer we pick up that promise of hysteria. Many, in a hysteria, called for removing God from the Democratic platform at their convension.
So Cane Ridge 1801 is no different. I'm sure God will sort it out. He did in the wilderness of Sin when He told Moses to lift up "a serpent of brass and put it upon a pole."
You know the rest of that story.....hysterics in the camp of Israel.


The question has yet to be answered.  Everyone is nibbling at the edges but avoiding the question.

The question is this:  Why do the Churches of Christ claim that this was the evidence that the true church had its beginnings with Stone's church there at Cane Ridge?    That's a reasonable question.

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Re: Cane Ridge Revival 1801
« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2012, 12:58:14 PM »
You're kidding.  The very heart of the move of the Spirit, and CoC people appreciate it?

Or did I read you wrong?

I don't think I understand your comment nor do I think you understood my post. 

I hope that Church of Christ folk will comment on whether or not they acknowledge this Cane Ridge Revival and those things that happened during that revival as they claim that this revival which took place along with Barton Stone (one of their founders) and his congregation was proof of the birth of the true church in America.  A Restoration Movement had begun in Scotland a number of years earlier.
My comment was that I cannot believe anyone in the CoC would ever acknowledge any association with something like the Cane Ridge Revivals, even if it WAS presbyterian in origin, let alone make pilgrimages there to honor the happenings..

OK.  I considered that but was not sure.

So far you can see that they don't want to agree with their own history. 

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2012, 01:02:50 PM »
From what I have read Stone was a more emotional and effective preacher than Campbell but he did not understand the barking and falling down of folks a Cane Ridge.  It was not something he came up with or was a goal but something that happened and in the end he came to believe it was from God.

My original question was not concerning Barton Stone's view of what happened but concerned the Churches of Christ view of what happened.  They claim that this was the birth of their one true church in America, but they don't want to address all that happened during this revival.

I've looked at the web sites of many Churches of Christ.  Some will mention Cane Ridge but leave out the details because they don't line up with Churches of Christ beliefs.  There are entire books devoted to what happened during this revival.