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They cannot reach any level of theology which doesn't prevent them from Opinionating about the "worship" thingy to replace the "school" Christ ordained in the wilderness.  He will define words out of the little lexicon and dictionary and never read the ancient texts which is the ONLY way to define words and worship practices.

For instance the TRUE Gospel is.

Matt. 11:28 Come unto ME,
        all ye that LABOR
        and are HEAVY LADEN
        and I will give you REST.


Why would you PAY someone to do EXACTLY that to you?

Matt. 11:29 Take my yoke upon you,
        and learn of ME; 
        for I am meek and lowly in heart:
        and ye shall find REST unto your souls.
Matt. 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


The BURDEN is explicitly the arousal songs which "creates spiritual anxiety through religious ritual."
the word REST specificially points to STOPPING the preaching, singing and making music. You cannot BE a school of the word and get your brains scrambled by rhetoric and music ALL calculated to "silence the voice of the lambs."

The reason we go OUTSIDE of the Camp (Agora, marketplace) to find Jesus: The REASON you are on the wrong team is because while Jesus didn't say "thou shalt not wave hands, stom, sing and play instruments" He DID say that God is NOT speaking to or through them. 

Matt. 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth,
        because thou hast HID these things from the wise and prudent,
        and hast revealed them unto babes.


In John 17 Jesus speaks of the few called out of the WORLD: Jesus will not speak TO or THROUGH nor will He ven pray for those of the COSMOS.

Those giving scholarly permission to impose instruments and sow discord do not know the meaning of words: or maybe they are just pretending.   That was the mark of the Scribes and Pharisees.  Isaiah 33 and Paul in 1 Cor 1 confirmed that there would be no WISE MEN nor CANAANITE or TRADERS in the house of God. This is a promise: if you are controlled by wise men who are traders then by definition you CANNOT BE A synagogue which Jesus promised to the twos and threes.

A SOPHIST is skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, interpreters, poets, musicians guitar players. Especially Hieron Melon or music composed for the "worship service." That's why they will not let Christ speak through His songs and sermons.

The Sophia-Zoe complex has always been in conflict with the Jehovah-Logos pattern: that is why you can never be to pretend conservative that you don't wet your pants when anyone goes beyond tits for tats.

Playto, Cratylus says
"the part of appropriative, coercive, hunting art which hunts animals, land animals, tame animals, man, privately, FOR PAY, is paid in CASH, claims to GIVE education, and is a hunt after rich and promising youths, must--so our present argument concludes--be called SOPHISTRY.


Did I tell you that one of the definitions of the BEAST is "a new style of singing or drama." John isn't nice to people who sermonize and versify. 

THEREFORE THE PATTERN OF GOD IS

Matt. 11:26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
Matt. 11:27 All things are delivered
        unto me of my Father:
        and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father;
        neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son,
        and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.


No: if the preacher had "a spirit" tell him to lie about God and to God and to the "audience captives" then Jesus made certain that those not OF THE WORLD will be able to read beyond sound bytes.

If he thinks that he can scramble the Word and make it more powerful, he is delusional and most people loved to attend the pagan rituals to watch the women go mad and "prophesy."

If he thinks he can TRUMP the directly commanded, exampled and necessarily inferenced songs as "that which is written" then he is devoted to the Sophia-Zoe mother goddess worship.

And that's all I am going to say about that: so go and get mad and foul your pants.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #1 on: Wed Apr 21, 2010 - 17:58:58 »
I don't use instruments.  The instrument players do.  I just sing.  Eph 5:19.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #2 on: Wed Apr 21, 2010 - 18:56:49 »
"A SOPHIST is skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, interpreters, poets, musicians guitar players. Especially Hieron Melon or music composed for the "worship service." That's why they will not let Christ speak through His songs and sermons."


To say that in order to teach what  a sophist is--is one thing.  It's quite another to reverse that, to say that "anyone who is skilled in any handicraft or art, clever, interpreter, poet, musician, guitarist..etc.--MUST BE A SOPHIST.  Hunh-uh.  Doesn't work.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #3 on: Wed Apr 21, 2010 - 20:49:05 »
I don't use instruments.  The instrument players do.  I just sing.  Eph 5:19.

That's fine, but when they make music UPON a HARP and IN THE HEART, doesn't it get a bit crowded in there?

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #4 on: Wed Apr 21, 2010 - 21:15:34 »
"Sophism can mean two very different things: In the modern definition, a sophism is a specious argument used for deceiving someone. In Ancient Greece, the sophists were a group of teachers of philosophy and rhetoric.

In modern usage, sophism, sophist, and sophistry are derogatory terms, due to the influence of many past philosophers.

A sophism is taken as a specious argument used for deceiving someone. It might be crafted to seem logical while actually being wrong, or it might use difficult words and complicated sentences to intimidate the audience into agreeing, or it might appeal to the audience's prejudices and emotions rather than logic; e.g., raising doubts towards the one asserting, rather than his assertion.

The goal of a sophism is often to make the audience believe the writer or speaker to be smarter than he or she actually is; e.g., accusing another of sophistry for using persuasion techniques.


Jesus said that God has nothing to say to the WISE.  Because He is God and we are not, we do not judge or "private interpret" or "further expound" what Christ has expounded in a spiritual sense by making the prophecies more perfect: these says Peter are our spiritual resource. He would leave a written memory so that we would know Christ's wisdom and specificially to avoid anyone who tampered with it.  Corrupting the Word means "selling learning at retail."  By definition that would mark the low class Sophist who taught for money.  If a person thinks he is need to "further expound" the Text then he claims to be WISE.

Aristotle: Melody Deceives: "Poets also make use of this in inventing words, as a melody "without strings" or "without the lyre"; for they employ epithets from negations, a course which is approved in proportional metaphors..

The form of diction should be neither metrical nor without rhythm If it is metrical, it lacks persuasiveness, for it appears artificial, and at the same time it distracts the hearer's attention, since it sets him on the watch for the recurrence of such and such a cadence..


According to Philo, the gods of the pagans exploit this weakness of men. For the sake of a better effect, and with the intention of more easily cheating their devotes, that they have set their lies to melodies, rhythms and meters.."

Those who imposed instruments stood before a judge in Tennessee and said that they would never use "instruments as worship: if they did that would be a sin."  Rather, they said, the instruments were just AIDS.  The judge got a laugh out of that one.  However, this is a confession that the instruments are the work of SOPHISTS.

In Revelation 18 the TECHNE were grouped with the singers and instrument players. John called them SORCERERS because references too music or instruments DEFINES enchantment or sorcery.  These CRAFTSMEN believe that their acquired skills are REQUIRED to make the Word of God effective.  If you listen to or read most of the posted sermons you conclude that they conceive to deceive because they have an AGENDA.

Jesus didn't say that you cannot have a dozen "Ministry Ministers" in your organizational chart: He clearly said that God DOESN'T work through them. For heaven's sake, why would God need people to shred the Bible and put it back together in Power Punch sermons?



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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #5 on: Thu Apr 22, 2010 - 12:15:14 »
I don't use instruments.  The instrument players do.  I just sing.  Eph 5:19.

That's fine, but when they make music UPON a HARP and IN THE HEART, doesn't it get a bit crowded in there?


Lively:  YOU can always tell when its crowded in a man's heart when there is no room in it for Jesus Christ and his words... when a man or woman is so full of himself, he has no room for Christ...

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #6 on: Thu Apr 22, 2010 - 23:10:32 »
That's true: that's why I decided that I had to quit sinning and filling my heart with Fanny Crosby (that will turn you into a woman) or Twila Paris (that will turn you into a heretic).

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #7 on: Fri Apr 23, 2010 - 00:05:06 »
You used to have something going with Fanny Crosby? The songwriter Fanny Crosby? You must have liked the older women way back when.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #8 on: Tue May 18, 2010 - 07:28:45 »
He couldn't handle her name ... Fanny.    It simply kept diverting his eyes.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #9 on: Tue May 18, 2010 - 09:12:07 »
I am glad that he did quit his sinning with Fanny's fanny.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #10 on: Wed May 19, 2010 - 06:38:11 »
Given the sexual references to nearly every post on instruments from him, one has to wonder what instrument he is referring to.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #11 on: Wed May 19, 2010 - 11:32:12 »
When you quit DOING it I will quit WRITING about it: At least I don't SELL mine to make a living.

The Symposium of Plato: defines the "don't get fluted down with wine" before as a Crooked Race you begin the SKOLION songs with playing the harp.  My Copy

http://www.piney.com/ClassPlatoSymposium.html

II. Aristodemus's Prologue: 174 A-178 A.
http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus:text:1999.04.0090:text=intro

Notice that in the most vile pagan assemblies they never DIALOGED or spoke LOGOS until they put the flute girl out. You remember that Jesus cast out the musical minstrels with a word meaing like dung: In Athens, for instance, the flute-girls or prostitutes were under the same city official as the dung heap.

Aristodemus meeting Socrates smartly attired expresses his surprise at so unusual a circumstance. Socrates explains that being invited to dine with Agathon he feels bound to go “in finery to the fine

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #12 on: Wed May 19, 2010 - 12:35:02 »
He couldn't handle her name ... Fanny.    It simply kept diverting his eyes.

Oh, yeah.  I remember as a little kid some of us would point at her name in the hymnal and giggle.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #13 on: Wed May 19, 2010 - 16:46:23 »
No, you didn't: you were looking at lurching lena rocking her legs to the beat musicologists know for certain derived from voodoo and hillbilly love songs.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #14 on: Wed May 19, 2010 - 20:48:32 »
No, you didn't: you were looking at lurching lena rocking her legs to the beat musicologists know for certain derived from voodoo and hillbilly love songs.

Yeah man, like whenever I hear Night With Ebon Pinon I want to get up out of my seat and start boogying.

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Re: Didn't say "Don't use Instruments" said "God will not SPEAK to you."
« Reply #15 on: Wed May 19, 2010 - 21:19:02 »
If you think that is funny: I moved away from a large church in middle tennessee. When they decided to expand they bought the property and decided to Raise their Ebenezer.

Now, all of the elders were well-educated, Bible college, board of a university, rich merchants and a preacher with a Phd from LU.

Everyone assembled (maybe dark) in a large circle (a Gilgal as in tumble bug). Each one of the many picked up a brick, went to the CENTER of the circle and STACKED their Ebenezer.  Just like the Israelites did in the middle of the dried up Jordan.

As fas as I know, they stacked their Ebenezer and never knew the difference.

 

     
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