Is this the best argument we got for "silence"?

[Livelysword]

show us where Ruth ever went into the tabernacle or Temple to worship. 

Why?  What does that have to do with my point?

Most people use Red Herrings with a little more subtlety ... you might want to work on that.

Lively:  I asked it because of what you stated... you stated the following...



Seems to me a true proselyte would follow the law ... and the law explicitly says no descendant of the Moabites until the 10th generation could worship in the tabernacle or temple.  Worship in the congregation was reserved for the Jews only (however... if you were of Egyptian descent you could wait until the 3rd generation  Clapping up high)

Strange fire indeed.

Ezra 9:10 "But now, O our God, what can we say after this? For we have disregarded the commands 11 you gave through your servants the prophets when you said: 'The land you are entering to possess is a land polluted by the corruption of its peoples. By their detestable practices they have filled it with their impurity from one end to the other. 12 Therefore, do not give your daughters in marriage to their sons or take their daughters for your sons. Do not seek a treaty of friendship with them at any time, that you may be strong and eat the good things of the land and leave it to your children as an everlasting inheritance.'

How confusing.  You talk in terms of authorization ... yet one of the hero's of the faith (David) seems to follow only the laws pleasing to him ... and not what was authorized.



Lively:  bring the verse which states she worshiped in the tabernacle or temple...  where did other proselytes worship?  We know at the temple they had a court for the gentiles...  Where did Rachab worship?



So, I asked the above question concerning these women worshiping in the tabernacle or temple...  They didn't... to be in the tabernacle, was only permitted for the Men Levites... who performed the duty of Priest... this is while the tabernacle was still used... until Solomon built a temple...  In the temple, again it was for the men Levites to perform the duties of Priests...  when Herod built the New Temple... again the inner scanctuary was for the Priests... but it also included courts for the Men Jews to worship, and also a court for their women, and a court for the gentiles...  but before that, with the tabernacle... such as Rachab had seen, what ever tribe she was a part of... which was of Juda since that is the tribe she married into... she stood with the tribe of Juda next to her husband...  I do not see where it would have been any different for Ruth...  she would have stood with her husband as well...  remember that Ruth was also the widow of her husband who had died in Moab... 


Neither of these two women worshiped in the tabernacle or the temple...  but they did worship God... and God was accepting of them... why do you seem to have a problem with them when God is not?  Personally I think Ruth's righteousness speaks for itself...  certainly she had opportunity to go back to her father's house and remain in Moab, as the other widow did...  but she decided to stick with her mother in law... and to worship the God of Israel... and we know God blessed her... so why speak against her?

[Norton]

             THE SILENCE OF THE SCRIPTURES

Introduction:
   1. Often when men are asked as to why they practice certain
      things in religion, the answer is, "THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY
      NOT TO DO IT."
   2. The practice in question is not specifically prohibited by
      the scriptures.
   3. Therefore, men presume to know that God approves of those
      things which He did not specifically prohibit.
   4. Actually, this reasoning presumes to know the mind of God.
   5. Such reasoning is faulty at its very best.
   6. Let us examine this question: Are we at liberty to do
      anything we desire, just so the Bible does not comdemn it?
      Just so long as the Bible does not say not to do it?
 
                  ***************

   The man started out right but ends up violating his #3 by presuming to know  that God condemns what he does not specifically prohibit.



BODY:
  I. THERE ARE TWO ATTITUDES TOWARD THE SILENCE OF THE SCRIPTURES:
     1. Where the Bible is silent, that is, God has said nothing on
        the subject, one is at liberty to act.
     2. Where the Bible is silent, man must act accordingly and be
        silent. In other words, we are at liberty to do only what
        is authorized by the Scriptures.

*********

     He is dead wrong here. He conveniently forgets the third and commonsense way. When God is silent on a subject we use our Bible based judgement. That's the way we have come to conclusions concerning a whole host of things, from church owned property to artificial birth control. Unless our judgements are beyond question, as maybe in the question of the use of hard drugs, we should make no"church law" for or against something. To do otherwise is to make commandments in God's name that He has not made.

 II. THESE TWO ATTITUDES HAVE BEEN PRESENT THROUGH THE AGES:
     1. The Reformation: Martin Luther claimed liberty to do
        whatever the Bible said nothing about. He was opposed by
        others who believed men could do only what was authorized.
     2. The Restoration: Denominationalist claimed freedom to do
        what was not forbidden by the scriptures. They were opposed
        by those who contended we must be silent. Thomas Campbell
        in 1809 said, "We speak where the Bible speaks and are
        silent where the Bible is silent."

   ***Exactly, We should be silent about making laws where God has been silent.


     3. Divisions over Missionary Societies and Instrumental music.
        Those favoring these contended, "Silence is freedom to act
        if desired." Those opposing said, "Silence does not
        authorize."

   ***** Silence neither commands or forbids. It is silence. The writer does not seem to comprehend this very simple concept.


     4. During the past 50 years both attitudes have been
        expressed:
        (1) Brethren who content that the silence of the scripture
            gives them liberty and freedom to have things without
            authority, calling them "good works" and arguing, "the
            end justifies the means." Look how much good we are
            doing. These often played to emotions saying, "Rather
            do it wrong than not do it at all." And, they often
            charged those opposing them with "Making laws where God
            has not made them."
        (2) Opposition has come because of the attitude that says:
            "Silence does not authorize;" "Good works" must be
            authorized. The plea has been, "Teach and practice only
            what the Scriptures authorize," giving book, chapter,
            and verse for all that is done.
     5. History will repeat itself if we are not careful. We need
        to remember the past and be forewarned.

III. HOW CAN WE DETERMINE WHAT JEHOVAH WANTS OF US??

     1. 1 Cor. 2:9-12,16. The only way to know what is truth, and
        what pleases God, is to find out what He says on any given
        subject.
     2. What color am I thinking of?  I probably would receive as
        many answers as people I ask.
     3. John 8:31-32 -- "If you continue in my word, then are ye my
            disciples indeed; and you shall know the truth and the
            truth shall make you free."
     4. Rom. 11:33-36 -- the Scriptures tell us that no man can know
            the mind of God, unless He reveals it to man.
     5. Eph. 3:1-5 -- God has revealed His will through the apostles
            and inspired men of the first century.
     6. Matt. 7:21 -- He that doeth the will of my Father....
 
IV. OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES:
     1. Jer. 10:23 -- Not in man that walketh to direct own steps
     2. Prov. 14:12 -- Way which seems right....end ways of death
     3. Leb. 10:1-2 -- Nadab and Abihu. They acted without divine
           authority. "God did not say NOT to use this fire. But,
           told them where to obtain the fire.

   ****

The case of Naab and Abihu did not set an all encompassing "Law of Silence" principle for worshipping God in the Old Covenant, much less for the church today. The Isrealites added feast days to those feast days commanded by the Law of Moses. The Israelites added instrumental music for worship to God in the Temple which was not commanded by The Law of Moses. Later  Biblical writers did not disapprove of this, but favored and encouraged participation in the added feast days and worship with instrumental music.



  V. NEW TESTAMENT:
     1. Heb. 7:11-14 -- Take Priest from tribe of Levi.
     2. Did not need to say, "Not Benjamin, not Dan, not Simeon, not
          Reuben, etc."
     3. Sufficient for the Lord to speak, man needs to listen.
   
    *****

God did not need to exclude each tribe by name because he excluded them by saying "ANYONE ELSE" who goes near the sanctuary will be put to death. Hardly an exclusion by silence.

.
Conclusion:
     1. The Bible is God's revelation.
     2. What is truth and what pleases God is found in His Word.
     3. And in no other place.
     4. Col. 3:17 -- Do all by authority of Christ, in His name.

     **** The passage does not mean we must have written permission for everything we say or do. It means everything we say or do should be to Christ's glory. The writer of the article wants you to interprete the passage with a twist to teach what he wants it to teach.


     5. I cannot enter Heaven of my own will, bukt only through the
           will of the Father.
     6. May we never say, "Well, the Bible doesn't say not to do it."

[Livelysword]

             THE SILENCE OF THE SCRIPTURES

Introduction:
   1. Often when men are asked as to why they practice certain
      things in religion, the answer is, "THE BIBLE DOES NOT SAY
      NOT TO DO IT."
   2. The practice in question is not specifically prohibited by
      the scriptures.
   3. Therefore, men presume to know that God approves of those
      things which He did not specifically prohibit.
   4. Actually, this reasoning presumes to know the mind of God.
   5. Such reasoning is faulty at its very best.
   6. Let us examine this question: Are we at liberty to do
      anything we desire, just so the Bible does not comdemn it?
      Just so long as the Bible does not say not to do it?
 
                  ***************

   The man started out right but ends up violating his #3 by presuming to know  that God condemns what he does not specifically prohibit.



BODY:
  I. THERE ARE TWO ATTITUDES TOWARD THE SILENCE OF THE SCRIPTURES:
     1. Where the Bible is silent, that is, God has said nothing on
        the subject, one is at liberty to act.
     2. Where the Bible is silent, man must act accordingly and be
        silent. In other words, we are at liberty to do only what
        is authorized by the Scriptures.

*********

     He is dead wrong here. He conveniently forgets the third and commonsense way. When God is silent on a subject we use our Bible based judgement. That's the way we have come to conclusions concerning a whole host of things, from church owned property to artificial birth control. Unless our judgements are beyond question, as maybe in the question of the use of hard drugs, we should make no"church law" for or against something. To do otherwise is to make commandments in God's name that He has not made.

 II. THESE TWO ATTITUDES HAVE BEEN PRESENT THROUGH THE AGES:
     1. The Reformation: Martin Luther claimed liberty to do
        whatever the Bible said nothing about. He was opposed by
        others who believed men could do only what was authorized.
     2. The Restoration: Denominationalist claimed freedom to do
        what was not forbidden by the scriptures. They were opposed
        by those who contended we must be silent. Thomas Campbell
        in 1809 said, "We speak where the Bible speaks and are
        silent where the Bible is silent."

   ***Exactly, We should be silent about making laws where God has been silent.


     3. Divisions over Missionary Societies and Instrumental music.
        Those favoring these contended, "Silence is freedom to act
        if desired." Those opposing said, "Silence does not
        authorize."

   ***** Silence neither commands or forbids. It is silence. The writer does not seem to comprehend this very simple concept.


     4. During the past 50 years both attitudes have been
        expressed:
        (1) Brethren who content that the silence of the scripture
            gives them liberty and freedom to have things without
            authority, calling them "good works" and arguing, "the
            end justifies the means." Look how much good we are
            doing. These often played to emotions saying, "Rather
            do it wrong than not do it at all." And, they often
            charged those opposing them with "Making laws where God
            has not made them."
        (2) Opposition has come because of the attitude that says:
            "Silence does not authorize;" "Good works" must be
            authorized. The plea has been, "Teach and practice only
            what the Scriptures authorize," giving book, chapter,
            and verse for all that is done.
     5. History will repeat itself if we are not careful. We need
        to remember the past and be forewarned.

III. HOW CAN WE DETERMINE WHAT JEHOVAH WANTS OF US??

     1. 1 Cor. 2:9-12,16. The only way to know what is truth, and
        what pleases God, is to find out what He says on any given
        subject.
     2. What color am I thinking of?  I probably would receive as
        many answers as people I ask.
     3. John 8:31-32 -- "If you continue in my word, then are ye my
            disciples indeed; and you shall know the truth and the
            truth shall make you free."
     4. Rom. 11:33-36 -- the Scriptures tell us that no man can know
            the mind of God, unless He reveals it to man.
     5. Eph. 3:1-5 -- God has revealed His will through the apostles
            and inspired men of the first century.
     6. Matt. 7:21 -- He that doeth the will of my Father....
 
IV. OLD TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES:
     1. Jer. 10:23 -- Not in man that walketh to direct own steps
     2. Prov. 14:12 -- Way which seems right....end ways of death
     3. Leb. 10:1-2 -- Nadab and Abihu. They acted without divine
           authority. "God did not say NOT to use this fire. But,
           told them where to obtain the fire.

   ****

The case of Naab and Abihu did not set an all encompassing "Law of Silence" principle for worshipping God in the Old Covenant, much less for the church today. The Isrealites added feast days to those feast days commanded by the Law of Moses. The Israelites added instrumental music for worship to God in the Temple which was not commanded by The Law of Moses. Later  Biblical writers did not disapprove of this, but favored and encouraged participation in the added feast days and worship with instrumental music.



  V. NEW TESTAMENT:
     1. Heb. 7:11-14 -- Take Priest from tribe of Levi.
     2. Did not need to say, "Not Benjamin, not Dan, not Simeon, not
          Reuben, etc."
     3. Sufficient for the Lord to speak, man needs to listen.
   
    *****

God did not need to exclude each tribe by name because he excluded them by saying "ANYONE ELSE" who goes near the sanctuary will be put to death. Hardly an exclusion by silence.

.
Conclusion:
     1. The Bible is God's revelation.
     2. What is truth and what pleases God is found in His Word.
     3. And in no other place.
     4. Col. 3:17 -- Do all by authority of Christ, in His name.

     **** The passage does not mean we must have written permission for everything we say or do. It means everything we say or do should be to Christ's glory. The writer of the article wants you to interprete the passage with a twist to teach what he wants it to teach.


     5. I cannot enter Heaven of my own will, bukt only through the
           will of the Father.
     6. May we never say, "Well, the Bible doesn't say not to do it."

Lively:  I disagree with some of what you are saying... and I am not even sure if the end fact of what you are trying to say is...  whether one should respect the silence of the scriptures or not...


You spoke of Moses and the priest from the tribe of Levi, that God did not have to state, not Benjamin or Ruben ect... he did not have to name any other tribe, he only had to name the tribe which would be the priests.  Then you refer to anyone else who comes near will be put to death and state such then denotes its no longer about silence...  I saw no scriptural reference where God talked about putting to death anyone else.  Not saying one does not exist, I am simply saying you provided no biblical proof of that.  Regardless, the Hebrew writer did speak towards silence.


Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13  For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14  For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.


Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood concerning the tribe of Juda.  The context here is the law being changed.  In order to have a priest from the tribe of Juda, there has to be a change in the law.  Why?  Because Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood for the tribe of Juda, he was silent on it.  That silence of Moses did not authorize anyone from the tribe of Juda under the law of Moses to be priest.  This is the point the Hebrew writer is making, so if Jesus is high priest, and he is from the tribe of Juda, then there has to be a changing of the law, because under the law of Moses, Moses spoken nothing concerning priesthood for the tribe of Juda.  So for there being a change in the priesthood, there must be by necessity a change of the law as well.  Which simply means the NT covenant does not go by the law of Moses, but the law of Christ and all he taught and inspired though his apostles and prophets.  The point is, Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood and the tribe of Juda.  He was silent.  His silence did not authorize under the law given to him by God anyone from any other tribe to be priest but those of the tribe of Levi... and if I am not mistaken, specifically from the family of Aaron.



also, scripture clearly teaches that whatsoever we do in word or deed, do all in the  name of the Lord Jesus Christ...  by his name means by his authority... so what he  has authorized is what is acceptable, and what he has not authorized is not acceptable as it is not by the name of Jesus Christ, that is by his authority.  All authority was given unto him in heaven and earth... since all means all, nothing left was given to anyone else except to whom Christ himself grants authority to.  Scripture is silent on instruments of music in the worship of God in the NT.  No authority for it has been given.  To add them is to go beyond that which is written or authorized.  Scripture is silent upon it, it speaks nothing of instruments of music for the worship. That silence means there is no authority for it.  Where many have problems where one implements the tasks which are given... such as singing... what does that authorize?  It authorizes singing and what it takes to fulfill that commandment.  It does not take instruments of music to fulfill that command.  In fact adding instruments of music is adding to the command to sing, and does nothing to accomplish the command to sing.  Others will say, well there is no command for song books, or songs written on a sheet of Paper, or powerpoint, ect...  none of these things add to singing... the command which is given, but are means to carry out the command to sing.  They do not take the command to sing and add to it play instruments of music.  when I use a song book or look at the powerpoint to sing... all I am doing is singing, fulfilling the command to sing... to sing and play instruments of music is to go beyond that which is commanded to sing.  There are other things which are commanded with singing... one of them is making melody in your heart.  That also is a command.  To make the melody in any place but the Specific place we are told to make it is to go beyond that specific command to make it in one's heart.  To make melody with instruments of music then goes contrary to the command to make melody in the heart.  We are to sing with grace in our hearts.  That is the command.  It is a command that all are commanded to do, not certain people from among all the others to play an instrument of music and the rest do nothing.  The command to sing is congregational, and so is the command to make melody in the heart and to sing with grace in the heart.


Are there commands for pews, buildings, ect?  Did they not have chief seats in the synagogue?  A pew, a chair, same thing...  its just a place to sit.  They had buildings... are we then to believe we are not allowed to have them?  They had lights in the upper chamber where they were gathered.. am I to believe lights are  not authorized today when they had lights back then?  What is authorized is what it takes to fulfill the commands given... as long as it does not add to the command given.  Pulpits?  Um, they made them to speak to the people in the OT...  of coarse the faithful understand all these things need to be tossed up because we refuse to accept others adding to the worship that which is not specifically commanded.  The real problem here has to do with establishing biblical authority for all we do.  I have posted before on this subject here on this board... spoke of specific authority and general authority...


Here is a web site which discusses some of it... it may be a help...  http://www.bible.ca/d-authority-acts-15-silence.htm

[blituri]

GOD IS SILENT ONLY THOSE HE HAS DEPRIVED OF EYES AND EARS: Jesus connects that blindness to the Scribes and Pharisees He called HYPOCRITES by naming speakers, singers and instrument players. That in spite of Christ denying you the right to even SPEAK YOUR OWN WORDS in the REST assembly.

The case of Naab and Abihu did not set an all encompassing "Law of Silence" principle for worshipping God in the Old Covenant, much less for the church today.

The Nadab and Abihu event occurred AFTER musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and God turned them over to worship the starry host: if that is what God ABANDONED them to do then THAT is what they did.  The tribe of Levi had been cursed by their father and YOU were told not to attend their assemblies but you DO whenever sacrificial music is made to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.

As a result of the Nadab and Abihu the scape goat named AZAZEL stood for the DEVIL: and so GOATS were BURNED when the loud Levite NOISE was made: the tribe of Levi had served Molech in Egypt and throughout the life of the CURSED MONARCHY.

When you musicate you REFUSE to listen to the Word of God just as the Isralites refused to listen to God and TURNED back to musical idolatry. Therefore, the Nadab and Abihu example is a PERFECT FIT: so perfect that false preachers love to ridicule it:

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven: Heb 12:25

Christ ordained the Qahal, synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness for the RIGHTEOUS tribes which QUARANTINED them from the curse of animal sacrifices which WAS--as conceded---the worship of the STARRY HOST including SATURN number 666.

THE SYNAGOGUE WITH OUTLAWED VOCAL OR INSTRUMENTAL NOISE CONTINUED EACH REST DAY.

Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons sons; Deut 4:9

Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. Deut 4:10

    Qahal (h6950) kaw-hal'; a prim. root; to convoke: - assemble (selves) (together), gather (selves) together).

    Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law: De.31:12

Take heed unto yourselves, lest ye forget the covenant of the Lord your God, which he made with you, and make you a graven image, or the likeness of any thing, which the Lord thy God hath forbidden thee. Deut 4:23

All pagans believed that musical instruments WERE their gods or HOUSED their gods: David wanted to AWAKEN his lyre so he could awaken the DAWN.

For the Lord thy God is a consuming fire, even a jealous God. Deut 4:24

SO WE BIBLE READERS NEVER DEPEND ON THE LAW OF SILENCE WHICH WAS INVENTED BY THE DISCIPLES TO IMPOSE INSTRUMENTS.

Jesus is the ONLY Rabbi or Teacher and ONLY when we "teach that which has been taught." Peter spoke of a recorded MEMORY as a MARKER for anyone who would teach otherwise. Paul in Romans 10 and 1 Cor 10 warns of the PLAY which was musical idolatry of the TRINITY and those with EARS will be able to hear the message and LOOK where Paul points to repudiate the musical paganism at Corinth:

Whose voice then SHOOK the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet ONCE MORE I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. Heb 12:26

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the REMOVING of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken [a trumpet-like word] may remain. Heb 12:27

Wherefore we RECEIVING a KINGDOM which cannot be moved [with trumpets], let us have GRACE,

whereby we may SERVE God acceptably with REVERENCE and godly fear: Heb 12:28

For our God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29

G2124 eulabeia yoo-lab'-i-ah From G2126 ; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely):;fear (-ed

G2126 eulabïs yoo-lab-ace' From G2095 and G2983 ; taking well (carefully), that is, circumspect (religiously, pious): ; devout.

Reverence is:

Aidos (g127) ahee-doce'; perh. from 1 (as a neg. particle) and 1492 (through the idea of downcast eyes); bashfulness, i.e. (towards men), modesty or (towards God) awe: - reverence, shamefacedness.
Aidôs, oos, contr. ous, ê (late nom. pl. aidoi Sch.E.Hipp.386), as a moral feeling,
A. reverence, awe, respect for the feeling or opinion of others or for one's own conscience, and so shame, self-respect
2. regard for others, respect, reverence, regard for the helpless, compassion

SO, the Church of Christ is to assemble to HEAR THE WORD OF GOD: the preacher must "teach that which has been taught." He has no authority to "further expound" trying to squeeze some LEGALISTIC silence so he can impose his own will. That would be called WILL WORSHIP.

The PROPHECY and PROPHECY MADE PERFECT is that we assemble to let CHRIST speak through His word primarily in the PROPHETS and APOSTLES which defined God's SIDE of the history.  Music INTENDS to induce body worship and utterly destroys the ability to give heed to the spoke word.  No godly preacher would NEED a back up band when he grasps the spirit-threatening duty to not go beyond what is written. We don't USE the Civil-Military-Priestly class worshiping the starry hosts for OUR patternism: that would be legalistic and sectarianizing.

God is SILENT only to those NOT OF TRUTH or not OF FAITH: to the corrupters of the word meaning "selling learning at retail" your eyes are blind and ears deaf.

Music is defacto to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter." In the Greek world the sacrificial musicians were called PARASITES.

Isaiah 30 says that HELL is prepared for God's enemies: the SOUNDS of God sending strong delusions is wind, string and percussion instruments.

A CHRISTIAN would not even think about using GOD'S silence to impose and SOW DISCORD which assuredly is NOT reverence and Godly fear.

[Norton]

Lively

"You spoke of Moses and the priest from the tribe of Levi, that God did not have to state, not Benjamin or Ruben ect... he did not have to name any other tribe, he only had to name the tribe which would be the priests.  Then you refer to anyone else who comes near will be put to death and state such then denotes its no longer about silence...  I saw no scriptural reference where God talked about putting to death anyone else.  Not saying one does not exist, I am simply saying you provided no biblical proof of that.  Regardless, the Hebrew writer did speak towards silence."
    *******
Numbers 3:10  "Appoint Aaron and his sons to serve as priests; anyone else who approaches the sanctuary must be put to death."

Numbers 3: 38  "Moses and Aaron and his sons were to camp to the east of the tabernacle....They were responsible for the care of the sanctuary on behalf of the Israelites. Anyone else who approached the sanctuary was to be put to death. "

Numbers 1:50 -51 " Instead appoint the Levites to be in charge of the Tabernacle of the Testimony-over all its furnishings; they are to take care of it ....Anyone else who goes near it shall be put to death."

The tribe of Judah was excluded from being priests, not by God's silence, but because He, in no uncertain terms, excluded all from being priests except those from the tribe of Levi. The point about silence being exclusive in this case would be valid if God had named the tribe of Levi and not exclued all others. But that is not the way it was. The point is invalid. There is no argument from silence in Heb 7:14. If there is, the writer of Heb did not know the Old Testament.

[DCR]

Good observation, Norton.

[Livelysword]

   
Re: Is this the best argument we got for "silence"?
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GOD IS SILENT ONLY THOSE HE HAS DEPRIVED OF EYES AND EARS: Jesus connects that blindness to the Scribes and Pharisees He called HYPOCRITES by naming speakers, singers and instrument players. That in spite of Christ denying you the right to even SPEAK YOUR OWN WORDS in the REST assembly.

The case of Naab and Abihu did not set an all encompassing "Law of Silence" principle for worshipping God in the Old Covenant, much less for the church today.

The Nadab and Abihu event occurred AFTER musical idolatry at Mount Sinai and God turned them over to worship the starry host: if that is what God ABANDONED them to do then THAT is what they did.  The tribe of Levi had been cursed by their father and YOU were told not to attend their assemblies but you DO whenever sacrificial music is made to MAKE THE LAMBS DUMB BEFORE THE SLAUGHTER.

As a result of the Nadab and Abihu the scape goat named AZAZEL stood for the DEVIL: and so GOATS were BURNED when the loud Levite NOISE was made: the tribe of Levi had served Molech in Egypt and throughout the life of the CURSED MONARCHY.

When you musicate you REFUSE to listen to the Word of God just as the Isralites refused to listen to God and TURNED back to musical idolatry. Therefore, the Nadab and Abihu example is a PERFECT FIT: so perfect that false preachers love to ridicule it:

Lively:  Why do you not give us the OT scriptures you are making reference to so we can look at the verses and consider what it is you are saying...