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Problems with the cofC
« on: July 31, 2008, 07:14:31 AM »
I have read many of the post and there are those who have problems with the church of Christ.  Without arguing, and mostly out of curiosity, I wish to know what these problems are and the reasons for them.  Feel free to provide scripture (with context) to support the position.

The only requirement is an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls out.
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Problems with the cofC
« on: July 31, 2008, 07:14:31 AM »

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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2008, 07:34:02 AM »
Quote from: jb728b on July 31, 2008, 07:14:31 AM
I have read many of the post and there are those who have problems with the church of Christ.  Without arguing, and mostly out of curiosity, I wish to know what these problems are and the reasons for them.  Feel free to provide scripture (with context) to support the position.

The only requirement is an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls out.

jb728b

The biggest problem with the CofC is the emphasis on water baptism.

Many believe that their salvation is dependent on their being baptized.

This doctrine is anti-gospel. What we do has nothing to do with our salvation.  Salvation took place over 2000 years ago by the work and person of Jesus Christ.  It took place completely outside of us, we had nothing to do with it.  This salvation that is in Jesus Christ is ours by faith alone.  Everything that is necessary for the salvation of lost humanity has been accomplished in Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 2:8  "For by grace (God's goodness) are you saved, AND NOT THAT OF YOURSELF. it is a gift from God."
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2008, 08:15:01 AM »
Quote from: jb728b on July 31, 2008, 07:14:31 AM
I have read many of the post and there are those who have problems with the church of Christ.  Without arguing, and mostly out of curiosity, I wish to know what these problems are and the reasons for them.  Feel free to provide scripture (with context) to support the position.

The only requirement is an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls out.

There isn't one "church of Christ," a couple hundred years of autonomy accomplished that.  I don't believe all who wear that banner are works-based salvation, boast in baptism types, as is the typical response.  I do believe there are some though.
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2008, 08:36:38 AM »
TOPIC PLEASE!
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2008, 08:57:19 AM »
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2008, 08:58:43 AM »
Quote from: spurly on July 31, 2008, 08:57:19 AM
Quote from: jb728b on July 31, 2008, 08:36:38 AM
TOPIC PLEASE!

 ???

I split off some posts that were off-topic, as this thread is to be about folks problems with the CofC.
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« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2008, 10:11:22 AM »
Quote from: Gary on July 31, 2008, 08:58:43 AM
Quote from: spurly on July 31, 2008, 08:57:19 AM
Quote from: jb728b on July 31, 2008, 08:36:38 AM
TOPIC PLEASE!

 ???

I split off some posts that were off-topic, as this thread is to be about folks problems with the CofC.

Does this mean you are not going to answer my question as to how faith is not a mental assent to a truth?
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2008, 10:56:53 AM »
Quote from: jb728b on July 31, 2008, 07:14:31 AM
I have read many of the post and there are those who have problems with the church of Christ.  Without arguing, and mostly out of curiosity, I wish to know what these problems are and the reasons for them.  Feel free to provide scripture (with context) to support the position.

The only requirement is an open mind, but not so open that one's brain falls out.

I have always been in the church of Christ, put there by Jesus Himself when I became a Christian at 15 years old. But over the 32 years since that day I have observed one thing in particular that bothers me greatly about the body of believers known as the CofC....the overwhelming focus on the church itself. It seems to me that there is more of a push to convert people to the "brotherhood" or the doctrinal mannerisms of the CofC than to convert one to a lasting faith in Christ.

I mean, it's simple, if you convert a person to Jesus Christ and they respond to His gospel with obedient faith....that person will be a member of the only "church" that Christ ever established. Christ will add him or her to His "church" by His own doing.

I do believe that the CofC has VERY GOOD intentions with promoting non-denominational Christianity....having doctrines and practices based solely on the NT teachings....but I'm convinced that the focus must be taken off of the church and placed back on center with Jesus and Him crucified. Allow people to grow spiritually in Christ as a real Savior, not just teach them to comply with the understandings of the CofC.

I'm sure there are people in the CofC who will be disappointed with me for saying these things, but I really feel that the CofC needs to take a long look at itself and see whether it is really the example of being God's people as the CofC claims to be.

Is this the type of discussion you were seeking jb728b?


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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2008, 02:10:31 PM »
Improper capitalization, for one.
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2008, 02:50:15 PM »
The Lord allows men to interpret His Word to the exclusion of all others.

I belong to Christ's church.

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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2008, 03:38:24 PM »
Quote from: Harold on July 31, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
The Lord allows men to interpret His Word to the exclusion of all others.

I belong to Christ's church.

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No, you see no one interprets the Bible; people simply read it.  That's what I used to hear.

The times, they are a-changing though.  As was (relevantly) suggested above, the Church of Christ is not one single-minded entity.  There is too much good going on for people to focus solely on the contrary.
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Re: Problems with the cofC
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2008, 03:43:13 PM »
Quote from: marc on July 31, 2008, 03:38:24 PM
Quote from: Harold on July 31, 2008, 02:50:15 PM
The Lord allows men to interpret His Word to the exclusion of all others.

I belong to Christ's church.

FTL

No, you see no one interprets the Bible; people simply read it.  That's what I used to hear.

The times, they are a-changing though.  As was (relevantly) suggested above, the Church of Christ is not one single-minded entity.  There is too much good going on for people to focus solely on the contrary.

Amen my brother.

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« Reply #12 on: July 31, 2008, 07:55:08 PM »
Since your asking, here are my personal complaints:

1.  Think they are the only ones going to heaven and that they have the monopoly on God.

2.  Think those who play instruments during worship are sinning and will be lost for that reason.

3.  More emphases on rules and regulations instead of relationships.

4.  Not enough emphases on grace and giving folks room to mess up.

5.  Too many mask wearers and not enough folks being real showing their faults and mistakes.

This is not true of EVERYONE in the cofc.  I know that.  I'm just saying these are some of the observations I personally had that caused me to take another look at the church of Christ.   
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« Reply #13 on: July 31, 2008, 08:01:40 PM »
Quote from: Serenity432001 on July 31, 2008, 07:55:08 PM
Since your asking, here are my personal complaints:

1.  Think they are the only ones going to heaven and that they have the monopoly on God.

2.  Think those who play instruments during worship are sinning and will be lost for that reason.

3.  More emphases on rules and regulations instead of relationships.

4.  Not enough emphases on grace and giving folks room to mess up.

5.  Too many mask wearers and not enough folks being real showing their faults and mistakes.

This is not true of EVERYONE in the cofc.  I know that.  I'm just saying these are some of the observations I personally had that caused me to take another look at the church of Christ.   

Very understandable, Serenity.
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« Reply #14 on: July 31, 2008, 08:09:12 PM »
Quote from: Serenity432001 on July 31, 2008, 07:55:08 PM
Since your asking, here are my personal complaints:

1.  Think they are the only ones going to heaven and that they have the monopoly on God.

2.  Think those who play instruments during worship are sinning and will be lost for that reason.

3.  More emphases on rules and regulations instead of relationships.

4.  Not enough emphases on grace and giving folks room to mess up.

5.  Too many mask wearers and not enough folks being real showing their faults and mistakes.

This is not true of EVERYONE in the cofc.  I know that.  I'm just saying these are some of the observations I personally had that caused me to take another look at the church of Christ.   

I think that is a good description of organized religion in general.
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