GCM Home | Bible Search | Rules | Donate | Bookstore | RSS | Facebook | Twitter

Author Topic: Real Restoration  (Read 8517 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Arkstfan

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3308
  • Manna: 93
  • Moderator
    • View Profile
Real Restoration
« on: October 19, 2009, 06:38:03 PM »
I believe we are called to restoration.

We are here to restore people to their God. We are here to restore the earth to as close to the state of the Garden as we can which is as close to Heaven as we can get until God finally restores order.

That means healing the sick, feeding the hungry, clothing people, and displaying God's love.

If the best I have to offer to demonstrate I am in Christ is that I used the right method to read the Bible, got the wine vs. Welch's argument right, and got the music issue right, I will see quickly how far the grace of Jesus Christ extends.

Why do we have welfare and other such aid programs? Because there was need that wasn't being met by the people of Christ. Why are we debating health care? Because it has become hard for business to do our job of healing the sick.

If we are a Christian nation why did we ever let it go to such a state that anyone ever thought it was a good idea to get government involved in carrying out the things God expects us to do?

We have been so busy glorifying Satan with our endless and tedious debates that all around us despair has been ignored. Antidepressants are the most commonly prescribed drugs in the US with over 10% taking them. While some people obviously have a chemical issue to be treated, we are an unhappy nation. Another 5.5% find their comfort in alcohol addiction and roughly similar numbers by using some sort illicit drug. An estimated half of all suicides, murders, and accidental deaths involve alcohol. People seek comfort in chemicals or illicit sexual relationships, how many could have avoided that pain and torment if they just felt the love of God expressed in the body of Christ?

The failure to bring people into the love of Christ destroys not just them but innocent victims as well.

But at least with a few more debates we can finally solve the important things like old hymns vs. new.

Christian Forums and Message Board

Real Restoration
« on: October 19, 2009, 06:38:03 PM »

Offline Johnb

  • Global Moderator
  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10290
  • Manna: 149
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 06:57:39 PM »
Good points Ark. 
This one is very telling.
quote
If we are a Christian nation why did we ever let it go to such a state that anyone ever thought it was a good idea to get government involved in carrying out the things God expects us to do?
 

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2009, 06:57:39 PM »

blituri

  • Guest
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2009, 08:58:21 PM »
The Ekklesia or Synagogue was never defined as a benevolent society.  People attend the BIBLE STUDY once a week to prepare THEM for the ministry. If the church invents a PROGRAM it guarantees that lots of people will let that be THEIR work and only a small band of overworked people will do the work.

There is no LAW OF GIVING so the church has no FUNDING for whatever program or professional PROGRAMMER you hire to oversee the work. 

Eph. 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph. 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Eph. 3:10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,

Eph. 3:11 According to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
Eph. 3:12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

Individuals do ministries and benevolence: institutes take from the destitute.

All of the debate is caused by people seeing the Christian System as a "means of financial gain." To that end they IMPOSE that which they believe will collect enough bodies to keep from getting fired.

The DEBATES are the system of a disfunctional institutional system and the CAUSE that all of that money given to the LORD does not carry out your proposed program

Offline Livelysword

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1066
  • Manna: 16
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 11:00:00 PM »
I believe we are called to restoration.

We are here to restore people to their God. We are here to restore the earth to as close to the state of the Garden as we can which is as close to Heaven as we can get until God finally restores order.

That means healing the sick, feeding the hungry, clothing people, and displaying God's love.

If the best I have to offer to demonstrate I am in Christ is that I used the right method to read the Bible, got the wine vs. Welch's argument right, and got the music issue right, I will see quickly how far the grace of Jesus Christ extends.

Why do we have welfare and other such aid programs? Because there was need that wasn't being met by the people of Christ. Why are we debating health care? Because it has become hard for business to do our job of healing the sick.

If we are a Christian nation why did we ever let it go to such a state that anyone ever thought it was a good idea to get government involved in carrying out the things God expects us to do?

We have been so busy glorifying Satan with our endless and tedious debates that all around us despair has been ignored. Antidepressants are the most commonly prescribed drugs in the US with over 10% taking them. While some people obviously have a chemical issue to be treated, we are an unhappy nation. Another 5.5% find their comfort in alcohol addiction and roughly similar numbers by using some sort illicit drug. An estimated half of all suicides, murders, and accidental deaths involve alcohol. People seek comfort in chemicals or illicit sexual relationships, how many could have avoided that pain and torment if they just felt the love of God expressed in the body of Christ?

The failure to bring people into the love of Christ destroys not just them but innocent victims as well.

But at least with a few more debates we can finally solve the important things like old hymns vs. new.


Lively:  I believe we are called unto salvation... and given command to teach others the good news.  We are commanded to teach others of Jesus Christ...  if one never brings another, its may not be his fault if another makes choice not to have salvation... in the days of Noah... being a preacher of righteousness, who went into the ark with him but his wife, three children and their wives... that is it...  that is it.. just his family...  what he was told to do was to preach to the world of a flood to come and to change their ways and seek God...


Rom 1:6  Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:


Rom 1:7  To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.


2Th 2:14  Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


Heb 9:15  And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.


1Pe 5:10  But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.



We are called of Jesus, called to be saints, called by the gospel... called to the obtaining of the glory of the Lord, called to receive the promise of eternal inheritance...




Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2009, 11:00:00 PM »

Offline Johnb

  • Global Moderator
  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10290
  • Manna: 149
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 05:56:49 AM »
Ark is not trying to preach a purely social gospel.  However, feeding the hungry and taking care of the poor and sick is a major responsibility of a child of God.  Read Matt 25 then go repent over you NI stance.  He is pointing a true biblical truth and yes we would better serve God this way than arguing over how we do church. ::frustrated::
 

Christian Forums and Message Board

Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2009, 05:56:49 AM »



Offline Arkstfan

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3308
  • Manna: 93
  • Moderator
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2009, 06:40:41 AM »
If you have not fed the hungry, visited the prisoner, clothed naked, and nursed the sick, then you have built for the kingdom with straw and will be lucky to escape the cleansing fire.

Read Matthew 25 and James 5. Read the volumes of verses in both testaments regarding the poor.

No follower of Christ denies that we are to show compassion, love, and mercy to the poor, the oppressed, the hungry. Any who deny that deny the Lord Jesus himself.

Offline Arkstfan

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3308
  • Manna: 93
  • Moderator
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2009, 07:41:10 AM »
For those who want less government.

53% of your Federal tax dollars are spent to perform tasks the church has chosen to not perform.

Offline Johnb

  • Global Moderator
  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10290
  • Manna: 149
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2009, 07:52:21 AM »
Ark
As you know I am for less government.  I also stand with you in saying we the church lived up to our obligation of taking care of the poor we would have no need for big government. 

Offline Arkstfan

  • Global Moderator
  • Hero
  • *****
  • Posts: 3308
  • Manna: 93
  • Moderator
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2009, 08:05:13 AM »
Ark
As you know I am for less government.  I also stand with you in saying we the church lived up to our obligation of taking care of the poor we would have no need for big government. 

I find it tragic that because of our failure, so many see government as their savior because they can see, touch, and taste what the government gives them while we bicker rather than them seeing followers of Christ as the ones treating their sick son, putting clothes on their back, and making sure they don't starve.

We could do it more cheaply, better tailored to needs, and make Jesus real to them all at the same time. :(

Offline Johnb

  • Global Moderator
  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 10290
  • Manna: 149
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #9 on: October 20, 2009, 09:26:10 AM »
 ::amen!:: ::amen!:: Ark.  ::amen!::

Offline Scoobydoo

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 362
  • Manna: 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2009, 12:18:28 PM »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

The answer to many of our problems lies in Revelation 20:2. And, the fact that human nature is set in oppostition to God's.

We some times confuse "righteousness"  and as a point of fact...we have never ever been a Christian nation and never ever will be.

God works for unity  Satan works for division--and which is so prevelant among us today in our society??

Our job is not restoration..because we are not the author of the church--Christ is--

Human nature hmmmm what a good example---Watch Glen Beck on Fox--He is making the case for restoration of a different sort--yet human nature being what it is keeps getting in the way.

Scoobydoo

Offline DCR

  • Global Moderator
  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11300
  • Manna: 432
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 04:21:33 PM »
The answer to many of our problems lies in Revelation 20:2.

Are you sure that's the verse you intended to reference?


Revelation 20:2

And he seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

Offline Scoobydoo

  • Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 362
  • Manna: 4
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2009, 10:08:29 AM »
DCR, greetings in Chist from sunny Texas,

YES!!  ABSOLUTELY  i SAID---The answer to many of our problems lies in Revelation 20:2.   Upon reflection I would consider changing that to all of our problems lies in Revelatio n20:2

Scoobydoo ::reading::

Offline Livelysword

  • Senior Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 1066
  • Manna: 16
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2009, 11:59:03 AM »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

The answer to many of our problems lies in Revelation 20:2. And, the fact that human nature is set in oppostition to God's.

We some times confuse "righteousness"  and as a point of fact...we have never ever been a Christian nation and never ever will be.

God works for unity  Satan works for division--and which is so prevelant among us today in our society??

Our job is not restoration..because we are not the author of the church--Christ is--

Human nature hmmmm what a good example---Watch Glen Beck on Fox--He is making the case for restoration of a different sort--yet human nature being what it is keeps getting in the way.

Scoobydoo


Lively:  I am reminded of the following... Just saying...


Mat 21:43  Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.


I like to think we as faithful Christians in this nation are bringing forth the fruits thereof, as this nation was founded upon many biblical principles...  obviously many in this nation do not hold to such principles, but there are those who do, which are bringing forth the fruits thereof.  Do we not in our prayers ask God to bless this our nation?  Has He not blessed this nation greatly for our sakes?

Offline DCR

  • Global Moderator
  • Lee's Inner Circle Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11300
  • Manna: 432
  • Gender: Male
    • View Profile
Re: Real Restoration
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2009, 12:09:03 PM »
DCR, greetings in Chist from sunny Texas,

YES!!  ABSOLUTELY  i SAID---The answer to many of our problems lies in Revelation 20:2.   Upon reflection I would consider changing that to all of our problems lies in Revelatio n20:2

Scoobydoo ::reading::


Would you elaborate?  Do you believe that Satan is currently bound for 1000 years, or is he not yet?  Is the 1000 years literal?

Or, perhaps, you're going a totally different direction with that verse.