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STOP appeal to ACU
« on: November 01, 2009, 02:16:06 PM »
The slow boiling of the frogs by the ACU board of directors has always intended to go "neutral" about all of the "issues" on their way to being another campus of the NACC.

They have honored men like Max Lucado and Rick Atchley who have been ring leaders in saying "we will never be instrumental" in our plenary sessions to then doing it and then explaining their betrayal with "that was then but this is now."

On my best days it is clear that people are terminally ignorant or terminally evil by picking statements out of a lexicon and then saying that they had visions or the spirit told them to add instruments.  Is it possible that an institute like ACU can be totally ignorant that God abandoned Israel BECAUSE of instrumental idolatry; that the naitonal temple system was identical to that which the levites (cursed by their father) had practiced in Egypt?

People have a right to teach what they like but it is postmodernisn "it isn't lying if we have a higher motive" deliberately sowing discord and stealing the inheritance they have fleeced from old widows in order to build what they now sell at the highest bidder.

http://www.seektheoldpaths.com/pdf/stop/stop904.pdf

Yes, they are conservative but betrayal is betrayal and ignorance is ignorance and this writers experience with a recent grad "trained by people exercising PROPHETIC roles to CHANNEL and FACILITATE" the needed changes to the "old conservative churches."

Shame, Shame, Shame but long predicted: never give a dime to in institute because Satan will come.

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Re: STOP appeal to ACU
« Reply #1 on: November 01, 2009, 05:07:18 PM »
Not only is this "letter" five years old, but this is what they claim are problems:
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There are numerous examples of departures from the founders’ charter and from the precept and example of the New Testament: ACU has changed to allow dancing and a recognized dance club. A Bible professor was shown in the Abilene Reporter News drinking wine. Instrumental music in worship has been made a non-fellowship issue by many faculty members. Students who are members of denominations have been allowed to organize religious activities on campus. The use of ACU facilities for denominational activities has been authorized by the administration. There has been the encouragement in chapel that students attend denominational worship activities. There has been the advocating and encouragement of women to take on roles in worship and ministry of the church not permitted by Scripture.

It is interesting to me that Blit would care what ACU does nor doesn't do, or what they encourage in worship services, given his apparent views on institutional churches that do anything other than read text to one another. Does it really matter what roles women have if they're doing anything other than reading (or, I suppose) listening to text being read?

I'm thinking once they're off the reservation, it doesn't matter what they do.
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Re: STOP appeal to ACU
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2009, 06:47:33 PM »
A beggars job is to tell starving people where to find the free water and bread of the Word.  I answered the question on the Restoration Forum.  My informant says that changes have been made recently.

Did you know that Christ in Isaiah 55 asks but really commands WHY do you spend your money on what is not bread?  Why would you hire someone to PREDIGEST your food?

HO, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters,
    and he that hath no money;
    come ye, buy, and eat; yea,
    come, buy wine and milk WITHOUT MONEY
    and WITHOUT PRICE. Isa 55:1

Wherefore DO YOU SPEND MONEY for that which is not bread?
    and your labour for that which satisfieth not?
    hearken diligently unto me,
    and eat ye that which is good,
    and let your soul delight itself in fatness. Isa 55:2

Incline your ear, and come unto me: hear,
    and your soul shall live;
    and I will make an everlasting covenant with you,
    even the sure mercies of David. Isa 55:3

Behold, I have given him for a witness to the people,
        a leader and commander to the people. Isa 55:4

Behold, thou shalt call a nation that thou knowest not,
        and nations that knew not thee shall run unto thee,
        because of the Lord thy God,
        and for the Holy One of Israel;
        for he hath glorified thee. Isa 55:5

Seek ye the Lord while he may be found,
        call ye upon him while he is near: Isa 55:6

Let the wicked forsake his way, and
        the unrighteous man his thoughts:
        and let him return unto the Lord,
        and he will have mercy upon him;
        and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon. Isa 55:7

For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
        neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. Isa 55:8

For as the heavens are higher than the earth,
        so are my ways higher than your ways,
        and my thoughts than your thoughts Isa 55:9.

For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven,
        and returneth not thither,
        but watereth the earth,
        and maketh it bring forth and bud,
        that it may give seed to the sower,
        and bread to the eater: Isa 55:10

So shall MY WORD be that goeth forth out of my mouth:
        it shall not return unto me void,
        but it shall accomplish that which I please,
        and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. Isa 55:1
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For ye shall go out with joy, and be led forth with peace:
        the mountains and the hills shall break forth before you into singing,
        and all the trees of the field shall clap their hands. Isa 55:12

No singing trees and mountain Worship Teams, please.


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Re: STOP appeal to ACU
« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2009, 07:38:11 AM »
I do care about what Blituri has to say.  ACU has my money and my son.  Most probably do not know that ACU now has what they call "small chapel" where students are divided up into groups apart from the full daily chapel.  These services now have instrumental music.  This hasn't moved into the full daily chapel but it is on the way there.  There are some really good people at ACU and I have been a supporter for years.  Very disappointed to hear about this new move.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2009, 03:21:07 PM »
ACU is looking for another president. Anyone interested?

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Re: STOP appeal to ACU
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2009, 05:37:46 PM »
I do care about what Blituri has to say.  ACU has my money and my son.  Most probably do not know that ACU now has what they call "small chapel" where students are divided up into groups apart from the full daily chapel.  These services now have instrumental music.  This hasn't moved into the full daily chapel but it is on the way there.  There are some really good people at ACU and I have been a supporter for years.  Very disappointed to hear about this new move.


acu doesn't have your son any more than the state universities have our kids.

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2009, 06:55:38 PM »
I do care about what Blituri has to say.  ACU has my money and my son.  Most probably do not know that ACU now has what they call "small chapel" where students are divided up into groups apart from the full daily chapel.  These services now have instrumental music.  This hasn't moved into the full daily chapel but it is on the way there.  There are some really good people at ACU and I have been a supporter for years.  Very disappointed to hear about this new move.
What Blit had to say was said several years ago. It's too late for your son. You should have done a better job of vetting the school if you don't like what they were doing four years ago.
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Re: STOP appeal to ACU
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2009, 07:47:38 PM »
You guys are waaaay to touchy.  I am glad that my son is at ACU.  I have donated to the school for over 10 years, my name is on the list of donors inside the Bob and Shirley Hunter Welcome Center (out of love and respect for all that Bob Hunter has done for the school and for me.)  It was, and is, my dream that my son graduate from ACU.  With that said, I really wish that this (new, by the way) practice of instruments in the small chapel not take place.  Is it enough for me to pull my son out of school, no, but I can inform others (as I have done) and try to influence the practices of my alma mater.

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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2009, 10:08:27 PM »
Wave, you have the standing to send a good lawyer's letter to the whole board and the selection committee.

I think that it would be good to make the raw asssertion that the "proofs" used by those promoting instruments are out of context and ignore the story line.

If you get any responses it would be appropriate to quote some whole chapters.

Loyalty to the founders and something about sowing discord might fit.  As I read the latest magazine from LU I see an almost total focus on the secular world.  I don't know whether they fledge any preachers now or not.

One of the choirs Randy was handed (as I read the tea leaves) was whether they wanted to remain connected to the Church of Christ.  I don't see how the old style ethics would give them the option. They have done well connected to the church and I suspect that most Baptist or Christian Church colleges are not that disloyal.

These pendulums do swing so it may be time to act.

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Re: STOP appeal to ACU
« Reply #9 on: November 03, 2009, 10:08:41 PM »
You guys are waaaay to touchy.  I am glad that my son is at ACU.  I have donated to the school for over 10 years, my name is on the list of donors inside the Bob and Shirley Hunter Welcome Center (out of love and respect for all that Bob Hunter has done for the school and for me.)  It was, and is, my dream that my son graduate from ACU.  With that said, I really wish that this (new, by the way) practice of instruments in the small chapel not take place.  Is it enough for me to pull my son out of school, no, but I can inform others (as I have done) and try to influence the practices of my alma mater.


Lively:  Is it a matter of being too touchy, or is it a matter of doing scripturally that which God has commanded of us?  How does anyone justify the phrase "You are being too touchy" if such certainly leads one into disobedience to the word given by God?  Such reminds me of King Saul... willing to disobey God because he was rebellious.


1Sa 15:11  It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.


1Sa 15:22  And Samuel said, Hath the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams.
1Sa 15:23  For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.
1Sa 15:24  And Saul said unto Samuel, I have sinned: for I have transgressed the commandment of the LORD, and thy words: because I feared the people, and obeyed their voice.


We certainly would not want to speak up least we offend those who would disobey the Lord, least they get angry with us.  Why should we fear the people?  What really matters, our standing with other people, or our standing with God?


Luk 12:5  But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.


2Ti 4:3  For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;


What is a man to do?


Tit 2:1  But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:



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« Reply #10 on: November 03, 2009, 10:21:50 PM »
Wave, you have the standing to send a good lawyer's letter to the whole board and the selection committee.

I think that it would be good to make the raw asssertion that the "proofs" used by those promoting instruments are out of context and ignore the story line.

If you get any responses it would be appropriate to quote some whole chapters.

Loyalty to the founders and something about sowing discord might fit.  As I read the latest magazine from LU I see an almost total focus on the secular world.  I don't know whether they fledge any preachers now or not.

One of the choirs Randy was handed (as I read the tea leaves) was whether they wanted to remain connected to the Church of Christ.  I don't see how the old style ethics would give them the option. They have done well connected to the church and I suspect that most Baptist or Christian Church colleges are not that disloyal.

These pendulums do swing so it may be time to act.

Ken
I still don't know why Blit cares. Newsflash for Blit: They're singing! Who cares if they use IM?
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2009, 05:35:44 AM »
By the way, the College of Business Administration, where my son is,  at ACU has been built into one of the top rated business schools outside of the Ivy League.  The school has done a great job with this and other areas.