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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2009, 04:19:53 PM »
I hope you bring more understanding to your study of God's word.

The survey creator is a solid member of the church of Christ. He's not looking to fall away nor rail against it. He is seeking honest answers from people who LEFT. If it were a survey of why you stay it would have been appropriate to resond. I don't know why you are struggling with something so simple and plain for anyone with a pure and uncontrived heart to understand.



Lively:  LOL, i guess I did not know that... chuckle... maybe I will make his highliight real then... LOL
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2009, 04:27:54 PM »
I hope you bring more understanding to your study of God's word.

The survey creator is a solid member of the church of Christ. He's not looking to fall away nor rail against it. He is seeking honest answers from people who LEFT. If it were a survey of why you stay it would have been appropriate to resond. I don't know why you are struggling with something so simple and plain for anyone with a pure and uncontrived heart to understand.



Lively:  LOL, i guess I did not know that... chuckle... maybe I will make his highliight real then... LOL

You would have known if you had simply read.
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2009, 04:28:33 PM »
Lively:  Because I think people should know that the church of Christ is not what is portrayed by many who up and leave the church of Christ...  I view it no differently then when a web site is opened for members of the church of Christ and like minded friends, and those who were once members of the church but would never return show up for the express purpose of putting down the members of the church of Christ...  the difference being, the faithful speak the truth of Christ and the unfaithful do not... their purpose is simply to cause havoc of the church... and that web site to show the church of Christ as an evil place where God is not... the web site is based upon a lie... and only meant to comfort one who made it in his poor choice in leaving God...  but I will not comfort him in his decision...  Isn't it about time someone stood up for the truth?

I understand what you are saying, but as I said it's really not appropriate in this context. 

This website and survey are for intended for use other than you see it. This isn't about standing up for the truth in the slightest it's about honest answers why people leave to gain insight.





Lively:  I get it... I had not read through it all to know exactly what it was...  I simply took it to be another of the web sites wanting to hear all sorts of nasty reasons why members of the church of Christ are such horrible people...
When a man or woman is honestly mistaken and hears the truth,
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2009, 04:30:05 PM »
I hope you bring more understanding to your study of God's word.

The survey creator is a solid member of the church of Christ. He's not looking to fall away nor rail against it. He is seeking honest answers from people who LEFT. If it were a survey of why you stay it would have been appropriate to resond. I don't know why you are struggling with something so simple and plain for anyone with a pure and uncontrived heart to understand.



Lively:  LOL, i guess I did not know that... chuckle... maybe I will make his highliight real then... LOL

You would have known if you had simply read.


Lively:  True...  no excuses...
When a man or woman is honestly mistaken and hears the truth,
they will either quit being mistaken, or they will cease to be honest.

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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2009, 11:13:07 AM »
Not giving the other half of the audience the benefit of paying any attention while in some form of apparent communitive dialogue is common.

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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2009, 06:51:21 AM »
Not giving the other half of the audience the benefit of paying any attention while in some form of apparent communitive dialogue is common.
Yup.
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2009, 11:16:33 PM »
Amazing......kinda.
For He (Jesus) whom God has sent utters the words of God for He gives the Spirit without measure.  John 3:34

Come near to God and He will come near to you. James 4:8

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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #22 on: October 07, 2011, 10:20:51 AM »
Just stumbled accross this, albeit 2 years or more late. I agree with the importance of gaining insight. What is truth? Fair question. Sometimes it is asked in a rhetorically cynical manner and other times honestly. Truth isn't what we have merely been taught growing up or simply adhering to true biblical pattern, important as it is. It also includes shedding light on where we need to improve, and sometimes that may come from somone who leaves. I don't mean God's word needs to be improved, but WE need to improve. Specifically improve in our attitudes about people and listening fully to someone else before we make a snap judgment about someone's view or motivation. Our attitudes determine where we truly are, not just by what black and white commandments we obey. Agree or not with someone's position or reasons for leaving the church of Christ, the Lord expects us to have a measure of wisdom and patience when it does.

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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #23 on: October 07, 2011, 01:20:06 PM »
Does anyone have a link to the results or conclusions of the survey?

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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2011, 04:53:03 AM »
Snargles: "Does anyone have a link to the results or conclusions of the survey?

Yep...you can find the results in Romans 8:1.....

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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #25 on: October 26, 2011, 04:19:39 PM »
I left several years ago.  I was unofficially disfellowshipped.  Although there were no specific charges the elders would not use me in any way in a "worship service".   I finally left and have attended many places since.  I was also an elder in the DoC.  I have always said if there was a choice locally within the RM I would be there.  We now attend a house church made up mostly of folks who have left the CoC.  It is a wonderful experience.  We sing we pray we share and add new members (non CoC non Christians) to or assembly nearly every week. 
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« Reply #26 on: October 27, 2011, 08:21:03 AM »
Johnb  "I left several years ago.  I was unofficially disfellowshipped.  Although there were no specific charges the elders would not use me in any way in a "worship service".   I finally left and have attended many places since.  I was also an elder in the DoC.  I have always said if there was a choice locally within the RM I would be there.  We now attend a house church made up mostly of folks who have left the CoC.  It is a wonderful experience.  We sing we pray we share and add new members (non CoC non Christians) to or assembly nearly every week."

Johnb   I have not "disfellowshiped" with you. When the Lord "added" you to His church after you were "baptized into Jesus
Christ for the remission of sins" (Acts 2:38) you were "justified" in His mind as "saved."
I love you as a brother "in Christ" unconditionally!

I have followed most of your "posts" in the past few years......I feel your pain (not to mimic Bill Clinton)
Peter said something in John 6 that haunts me everytime I get down on myself and brothers and sisters in Christ.

Can you see the Lord as He speaks of Himself as the "bread of life," that if any man eat of this bread, he shall
live forever. (John 6:48-58).
These words that He spoke caused many of his disciples to say, "this is a hard saying: who can hear it"?
John, an eyewitness to this account must have seen the anguish on His face as He saw the multitude turn
back and walked with him no more (John 6:66).

John said, Jesus asked the twelve, Will you also go away?
"Lord, to whom shall we go? you have the WORDS to eternal life."
I have often wondered if John recalled Peter's words earlier in Capernaum as he looked
around and Peter was not there in their midst to hear the Lord's final words on the cross....

You and I stand at that cross road every day Johnb....Where do we go?
I stay in the local church of Christ because I believe it is the
Messianic kingdom prophesied in the Old Testament (Dan. 2:44).

I have studied the eschatological theories tossed around about the kingdom "yet to come." etc.
I believe the local church of Christ is the world's last chance; the redemptive work of Christ is
committed to the local church; the local church must understand its own significance, glory,
and responsibility.

Is it perfect? far from it!
With gratitude, I can look to that outfit in Corinth and smile...Why? because I am just like many of em.
As fractional as this church was Paul still called them "brethren."

The local church at Ephesus was FIRST grounded in apostolic doctrine (Acts 20:17, 27),
yet Paul would say to these men, "For I know this, that after my departure shall grievous wolves enter
in among you, not sparing the flock,  
Also of your selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things,
to draw away disciples after them" (Acts 20:27-30).

We read in Revelation 2 that Jesus said to this church in Ephesus, "You have left your first love."
"Remember therefore from whence you are fallen (apostolic doctrine? I believe it is) and repent, and
do the FIRST works (apostolic teaching? I believe it is: note verse 2); OR ELSE
I will come unto you quickly and remove your candlestick out of his place, except you repent" (Rev. 2:2-7).
He that has an ear let him hear what the Spirit has to say unto the churches: to him that overcomes will I
give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God" (Rev. 2:7).

Did this church repent? Is this church still in Ephesus?
Did it fall because it lost its first love of apostolic teaching?

I will go to my grave hanging to those words of Peter...
"Lord you have the words to eternal life."

Hang in there Johnb..."Forever" is a long long time...
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #27 on: October 28, 2011, 07:18:51 AM »
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Thanks for your thoughts.  I see the CoC as part of the kingdom but not exclusively the kingdom.  I am much more in line with Stone and the original views of the movement.  I love my brothers and sisters in all the assemblies not just the CoC.  I don't condemn others for not having the LS every Sunday but like having it that way.  I actually would rather have non IM singing but don't use it as a whipping boy for other groups.  I also like not having a paid preacher and staff but like the participation of the the house church.  I don't believe any group or set of church traditions equal the kingdom.  We are all humans attempting to serve God to the best of our understanding.  I don't think the CoC has any more or less error than any other group.  When we went from beiing Christians only to believing we are the only Christians I had to part ways with the legalistic branch of the CoC. 
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Re: Survey for those who are leaving the "Church of Christ"
« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2011, 06:10:40 AM »
Johnb: "When we went from beiing Christians only to believing we are the only Christians I had to part ways with the legalistic branch of the CoC".

I know where you are coming from.....What are your thoughts on Jesus' words of "leaving your first love?"
Is there a significance with His words here in Revelation and His prayer in  John 17:20.
I gave into my opinion on His word a long time ago.

Rather difficult for me to lay my opinions at the foot of One who died for me since His word is true and mine a transfer of thought
from the pages of my Bible.
To have ones "candlestick removed" is contrary to the doctrine of "once saved always saved" is it not?

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2011, 06:39:05 AM »
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I am not a believer of OSAS.  Therefore Yes I believe one can leave their first love.  "For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world..."
On the other hand I do not believe leaving a specific man made assembly can be equated to leaving Christ. (I don't think that was you meaning just wanted to clarify that point.) 
Even though the 7 churches in Rev had many problems as all assemblies made up of man does they were still addressed as an assembly of God.
The vast majority in all assemblies believe in and want to serve Christ.  The vast majority of Preachers and official leaders of assemblies are also believers trying to serve Christ.  While I don't choose to be part of the institutional church I do consider them as part of the kingdom of God.
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