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HEZEKIAH'S PLAGUE STOPPING ANIMAL SLAUGHTER IN A CHURCH NEAR YOU.

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The civillians observing Passover with all of those animals had no instruments: I had noted that

   1. During all of the atonement for the king, kingdom, temple and people everyone HELD their noise makers.
   2. Then, only for the burnt offering of the GOATS for Israel as an appeasement, all of the NOISE making instruments made noise during the BURNING process. However, Christ in Jeremiah etc says that God had not commanded burnt offerings OR sacrifices.
   3. Therefore, this fits the patternism of the changelings who GO BEYOND what is written and IMPOSE instruments in an attempt to APPEASE the musical sectarians. That says in a prophetic type that "We will also sin by IMITATING the fall of Israel or the musicators."

ALL DURING THE BURNING OF THE GOATS: MAKING ONE SOUND (NOTE)

2Chr. 29:28 And all
        the congregation worshipped, No Spiritual Thread permitted.
        and the singers sang, [did not worship]
        and the trumpeters sounded: [did not worship]
        and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.

WORSHIP INCLUDED ONLY BOWING TO THE GROUND.

Because the Levites had been an old Egyptian cult dedicated to making noise during the burning of infants to Molech, and since Molech was worshipped in the wilderness and in Jerusalem, it is thought that the not-commanded burnt offerings were a way to stop the baby burning.  However, as soon as Hezekiah had cleansed the temple of pagan idolatry and died little Manesseh resumed the infant burning. That is why Christ in Idaiah 30 defines HELL as specificially prepared for God's enemies: the MARKS or SOUNDS of God already driving His enemies into hell are the wind, string and percussion instruments.  That patternism is repeated of the Babylon mother of harlots using the "lusted after fruits" as speakers singers and instrument players John called sorcerers who will burn along with the DOGS who Paul oulawed as the Cynics singing their old style praise tunes to attract mates for the night.

As in Revelation: you have to HOLD your harps and incense bowls while you BOW.

2Chr. 29:29 And when they had made an end of offering,
         the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped.

2Chr. 29:30 Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes
        commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David,
        and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped.

The faithful Presbyterians and most older scholars could read the text whereas our changelings are quite willing to quote the first part of the proof-text (probably never read the whole chapter) and deliberately lie about it. It they were honorable people they would discover that this LAST RESORT reallly DENIES that instruments were used AS worship.

Before his death, David ordered:

1Chr. 23:5 Moreover four thousand were porters;
 and four thousand praised the LORD with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith.

Since they made ONE SOUND and shofars were tuned to ONE NOTE I would think that anyone who said that the Spirit told him to IMPOSE that on a non-instrumental church would do the decent Judas Maneuver:

All told, there were "four thousand (who) praised the Lord with the instruments" of music (I Chron. 23: 5), being divided into twenty-four courses, each consisting of one hundred sixty musicians. Most important of all, we note that "when the burnt-offering began, the song to the Lord also began with the trumpets, accompanied by the instruments" (II Chron. 29:27). "All the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpets sounded," we read, "until the burnt-offering was finished" (v. 28).

hen, "when they had made an end of offering" (v. 29) the people bowed to worship, and sang praises to the Lord without musical accompaniment.

Since the Scripture expressly states that the musical instruments sounded "until the burnt-offering was finished"

        the congregational praise which followed must have been a capella.
       G.I.Williamson, (Notes on The Biblical Doctrine of Worship, Presbyterian Church of N.A.).]


When the others offered the animals and needed the certified Levites to kill them, we find NO GOATS and NO MUSIC during Passover. There was no "music" in any Passover observation. "Christians" hold EASTER sun rise services and INSIST on using music.

They even make musical noise during the Lord's Supper: seems like that is happen at ACU in one of the DIVERTING groups during the Lord's Supper.

IF YOU ARE CONSECRATED YOU ARE NOT BURNING GOATS (CAPPELLA) OR  MAKING INSTRUMENTAL NOISE:

2Chr. 29:31 Then Hezekiah answered and said, Now ye have consecrated yourselves unto the LORD,
        come near and bring sacrifices and thank offerings into the house of the LORD.
        And the congregation brought in sacrifices and thank offerings;
        and as many as were of a free heart burnt offerings.

2Chr. 29:32 And the number of the burnt offerings, which the congregation brought,
         was threescore and ten bullocks,
         an hundred rams, and two hundred lambs:
         all these were for a burnt offering to the LORD.

2Chr. 29:33 And the consecrated things
         were six hundred oxen
         and three thousand sheep.

IS YOUR CONGREGATION SET IN ORDER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST?

2Chr. 29:36 And Hezekiah rejoiced, and all the people,
         that God had prepared the people: for the thing was done suddenly.

   1. NO INSTRUMENTAL NOISE (4000) during the atonement for Judah
   2. Instrumental noise including the MILITARY Levites only during burn offering to RECONCILE Israel. This was NOT commanded.
   3. No instrumental noise during the following Passover (No Easter musical with gold covered boar's testicals on the Easter Tree.)

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2009, 11:48:17 AM »
HEZEKIAH'S PLAGUE STOPPING ANIMAL SLAUGHTER IN A CHURCH NEAR YOU.

http://www.piney.com/2.Chronicles.29.html

The civillians observing Passover with all of those animals had no instruments: I had noted that

   1. During all of the atonement for the king, kingdom, temple and people everyone HELD their noise makers.
   2. Then, only for the burnt offering of the GOATS for Israel as an appeasement, all of the NOISE making instruments made noise during the BURNING process. However, Christ in Jeremiah etc says that God had not commanded burnt offerings OR sacrifices.
   3. Therefore, this fits the patternism of the changelings who GO BEYOND what is written and IMPOSE instruments in an attempt to APPEASE the musical sectarians. That says in a prophetic type that "We will also sin by IMITATING the fall of Israel or the musicators."

ALL DURING THE BURNING OF THE GOATS: MAKING ONE SOUND (NOTE)

2Chr. 29:28 And all
        the congregation worshipped, No Spiritual Thread permitted.
        and the singers sang, [did not worship]
        and the trumpeters sounded: [did not worship]
        and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.

WORSHIP INCLUDED ONLY BOWING TO THE GROUND.

Because the Levites had been an old Egyptian cult dedicated to making noise during the burning of infants to Molech, and since Molech was worshipped in the wilderness and in Jerusalem, it is thought that the not-commanded burnt offerings were a way to stop the baby burning.  However, as soon as Hezekiah had cleansed the temple of pagan idolatry and died little Manesseh resumed the infant burning. That is why Christ in Idaiah 30 defines HELL as specificially prepared for God's enemies: the MARKS or SOUNDS of God already driving His enemies into hell are the wind, string and percussion instruments.  That patternism is repeated of the Babylon mother of harlots using the "lusted after fruits" as speakers singers and instrument players John called sorcerers who will burn along with the DOGS who Paul oulawed as the Cynics singing their old style praise tunes to attract mates for the night.

As in Revelation: you have to HOLD your harps and incense bowls while you BOW.

2Chr. 29:29 And when they had made an end of offering,
         the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped.

2Chr. 29:30 Moreover Hezekiah the king and the princes
        commanded the Levites to sing praise unto the LORD with the words of David,
        and of Asaph the seer. And they sang praises with gladness, and they bowed their heads and worshipped.

The faithful Presbyterians and most older scholars could read the text whereas our changelings are quite willing to quote the first part of the proof-text (probably never read the whole chapter) and deliberately lie about it. It they were honorable people they would discover that this LAST RESORT reallly DENIES that instruments were used AS worship.

Before his death, David ordered:

1Chr. 23:5 Moreover four thousand were porters;
 and four thousand praised the LORD with the instruments which I made, said David, to praise therewith.

Since they made ONE SOUND and shofars were tuned to ONE NOTE I would think that anyone who said that the Spirit told him to IMPOSE that on a non-instrumental church would do the decent Judas Maneuver:

All told, there were "four thousand (who) praised the Lord with the instruments" of music (I Chron. 23: 5), being divided into twenty-four courses, each consisting of one hundred sixty musicians. Most important of all, we note that "when the burnt-offering began, the song to the Lord also began with the trumpets, accompanied by the instruments" (II Chron. 29:27). "All the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpets sounded," we read, "until the burnt-offering was finished" (v. 28).

hen, "when they had made an end of offering" (v. 29) the people bowed to worship, and sang praises to the Lord without musical accompaniment.

Since the Scripture expressly states that the musical instruments sounded "until the burnt-offering was finished"

        the congregational praise which followed must have been a capella.
       G.I.Williamson, (Notes on The Biblical Doctrine of Worship, Presbyterian Church of N.A.).]


When the others offered the animals and needed the certified Levites to kill them, we find NO GOATS and NO MUSIC during Passover. There was no "music" in any Passover observation. "Christians" hold EASTER sun rise services and INSIST on using music.

They even make musical noise during the Lord's Supper: seems like that is happen at ACU in one of the DIVERTING groups during the Lord's Supper.

IF YOU ARE CONSECRATED YOU ARE NOT BURNING GOATS (CAPPELLA) OR  MAKING INSTRUMENTAL NOISE:

2Chr. 29:31 Then Hezekiah answered and said, Now ye have consecrated yourselves unto the LORD,
        come near and bring sacrifices and thank offerings into the house of the LORD.
        And the congregation brought in sacrifices and thank offerings;
        and as many as were of a free heart burnt offerings.

2Chr. 29:32 And the number of the burnt offerings, which the congregation brought,
         was threescore and ten bullocks,
         an hundred rams, and two hundred lambs:
         all these were for a burnt offering to the LORD.

2Chr. 29:33 And the consecrated things
         were six hundred oxen
         and three thousand sheep.

IS YOUR CONGREGATION SET IN ORDER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST?

2Chr. 29:36 And Hezekiah rejoiced, and all the people,
         that God had prepared the people: for the thing was done suddenly.

   1. NO INSTRUMENTAL NOISE (4000) during the atonement for Judah
   2. Instrumental noise including the MILITARY Levites only during burn offering to RECONCILE Israel. This was NOT commanded.
   3. No instrumental noise during the following Passover (No Easter musical with gold covered boar's testicals on the Easter Tree.)




Lively:   It was the Levites which were set in the house of the Lord to praise with instruments.   This was done according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer, and Nathan the prophet, for so was the commandment of the Lord by his prophets, so this commandment was from the Lord.  And the Levites did praise with these specific instruments, the Levites with the instruments, and the priests with the trumpets.  This during the burnt offering.  When the offering was over, the playing ceased.


2Ch 29:25  And he set the Levites in the house of the LORD with cymbals, with psalteries, and with harps, according to the commandment of David, and of Gad the king's seer, and Nathan the prophet: for so was the commandment of the LORD by his prophets.
2Ch 29:26  And the Levites stood with the instruments of David, and the priests with the trumpets.
2Ch 29:27  And Hezekiah commanded to offer the burnt offering upon the altar. And when the burnt offering began, the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets, and with the instruments ordained by David king of Israel.
2Ch 29:28  And all the congregation worshipped, and the singers sang, and the trumpeters sounded: and all this continued until the burnt offering was finished.
2Ch 29:29  And when they had made an end of offering, the king and all that were present with him bowed themselves, and worshipped.


This was done by the commandment of God given to the seer's and prophets.  It is OT worship, under the Levitical priesthood, which we are not under today.


Heb 7:11  If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
Heb 7:12  For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
Heb 7:13  For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
Heb 7:14  For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
Heb 7:15  And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
Heb 7:16  Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Heb 7:17  For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
Heb 7:18  For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.
Heb 7:19  For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.
Heb 7:20  And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:
Heb 7:21  (For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)
Heb 7:22  By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.
Heb 7:23  And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:
Heb 7:24  But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.
Heb 7:25  Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
Heb 7:26  For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 7:27  Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
Heb 7:28  For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.


Nowhere in the law of Christ are we ever taught to praise at any time with instruments of music... NOWHERE. 

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2009, 04:22:43 PM »
HEZEKIAH'S PLAGUE STOPPING ANIMAL SLAUGHTER IN A CHURCH NEAR YOU.

I've not heard of any plagues around here and I haven't heard of any animal slaughter going on in any nearby churches since I read a good 30 years ago about some folks that were having dog fights every Sunday morning in a church building they had bought from a congregation that had moved to a new building.

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2009, 06:28:46 PM »
If you read the Law of Moses and find God commanding anything but the two silver trumpets I would be surprised.  Christ in Spirit spoke to the spiritual thread only through the Prophets and Apostles in an approved way.  The Scribes wrote for the Monarchy which itself was conceded as God abandoned them to captivity and death.  Jesus called the Scribes "hypocrites" by naming entertaining speakers, singers and instrument players.  Being inspired means that it inccludes the good, bad and ugly: the bad and ugly were not God's old pattern for approved worship.  Only muster age males were ever commanded to come to the Temple which was the King's headquarters.

Secondly, God turned the Israelites over to worship the starry host BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai. That included the heavenly pattern of the earthly TABERNACLE.  No one mad instrumental noise AT much less IN the Tabernacle.

      If God commanded instruments during the WORSHIP of the starry hosts and burn offerings
      Christ in the prophets say He DID NOT command, why would we say that the Monarchy which
      did NOT follow the Law of Moses because God had abandoned them to KINGS was God's
      old approved patternism for worship?

Stephen got in trouble with the preachers of his day by informing them that:

1.  God promised David a TENT (when David could not go to the Tabernacle built by the PATTERN)

2.  But, Solomon built God a HOUSE

3.  BUT, God does not live in houses built by human hands nor is he worshipped by the works of human hands and no one ever called the "instrumental noise WORSHIP."  It was to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" just as they did Jesus.

A.  No one used the trumpets or the KING'S instruments during the atonement for Judah and the civil-military-clergy (the populace was quarantined).

B.  The trumpets and instruments made NOISE only during the BURNT OFFERINGS for Israel which had fallen beyond redemption: God had not commanded burnt offerings says Christ.

C. Then when the people sacrificed for the passover they SANG ONLY.

So none of Judah momentarily redeemed by a PLAGUE STOPPING SLAUGHTER, made any atoning sacrifices with instrumental noise.  And the noise was made only to try to appease Israel the Enemy.  Then, it is not true that the Jews worshipped with instruments.

CONDUCTING THE HOLOCAUST: the way to see who commanded what.

2Chr. 29:27 And Hezekiah commanded
        to offer the burnt offering upon the altar.
                And when the burnt offering began,
                the song of the LORD began also with the trumpets,
                and with the instruments ORDAINED by David king of Israel

At the same time Christ had ordained the Church in the Wilderness as synagogue: none but the tribe of Levi and the national officials participated in Sabbath sacrifices which are said to have profaned the Sabbath.

The Church was in all areas where people were restricted from travel and commanded to REST, Read and rehearse the Word of God. The church never changed except to add the Lord's Supper as an evangelism act.

No historical scholar existed who did not know and teach that the Monarchy was idolatry under the NATIONAL system not unlike at Tyre or Babylon.



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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2009, 06:36:54 PM »
I've not heard of any plagues around here and I haven't heard of any animal slaughter going on in any nearby churches since I read a good 30 years ago about some folks that were having dog fights every Sunday morning in a church building they had bought from a congregation that had moved to a new building

Where I grew up in northern Alabama the Baptists, Presbyterians and Church of Christ (some Methodists I suppose) killed the fatted pigs and the men had an all night party watching the barbecue. Those were the days before preachers so there was no incentive for turf battles.

After I married my Indiana wife our first trip carried her as far south as Birmingham to see my grandmother: she was so inclucated that she was really afraid to go into Alabama. Then, the local Tennessee guys killed the fatted pigs and goats and strung tables from tree to tree for after church. That was when we always had a smoke and chaw break.

Some of the rougher breed of men did a lot of fox and coon hunting.  :-)  When I retired to my private valley we had one of the last of the breed and I loved to hear the hounds running through the valley.  The Feds did a huge bust of Cock Fighting which had gone on for about 20 years: the Sheriff was not consulted.  :-)

Oh well, the good old days.

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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2009, 10:27:33 PM »
There you go.  That sounds like a cool time to me, especially if someone has a Rook deck for playing and vinegar for the smoked swine.

We've actually had folks post ON THESE VERY BOARDS that barbecue is something other than pigs.  Culinary Philistines.  Don't know how else to explain it.

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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2009, 05:50:16 AM »
I hear blit is going to sponsor a music burning rally.  Folks are to bring every kind of musical instrument, records CDs even 8 track tape and burn them. ::smile:: ::eatingpopcorn:

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2009, 07:02:31 AM »
Give everyone a pitchpipe in the congregation.  That way it is authorized because it isn't a choir.

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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2009, 07:50:48 PM »
The wannabe preachers (about draft time) played the guitar and the most beautiful girl played mandolin: I saw her years later and she was a little dried up piece of jerky. Still had a good voice.

Everyone loaded up on the flatbed (the one that did the Opry run) and we all went to the flat rock swimming hole to do mixed bathing.

A female cousin drove up in one of those 300K cars and still poked fun at me because mom wouldn't let us ride granddads 22 foot waterwheel. 

That was another world and it seemed like paradise even then even if I had to fight the chickens to get a few raisins given to the drunks and deadbeats who were too proud to work.

That's why we still have a nation of ingrates loving to make fun of their parents who lived before the postmodern world: will lie, cheat and steal their church house too and form a counseling team to work with the older people weeping for the loss of their church family and often real families "cause we gonna save more souls."

We ARE living in a period of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS and people still have to pick sides at great risk.

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2009, 07:57:52 PM »
Give everyone a pitchpipe in the congregation.  That way it is authorized because it isn't a choir.
It would be cheaper to give everyone there a kazoo; you can pitch a song with a kazoo, too.

Hummmmmm...
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2009, 08:06:31 PM »
That's why we still have a nation of ingrates loving to make fun of their parents who lived before the postmodern world: will lie, cheat and steal their church house too and form a counseling team to work with the older people weeping for the loss of their church family and often real families "cause we gonna save more souls."

We ARE living in a period of BIBLICAL PROPORTIONS and people still have to pick sides at great risk.

I figured we've been living in a period of biblical proportions since, like, a couple of thousand years ago.

(Blituri reminds me of President Nixon's remarks about Apollo 11: "It is the greatest week since creation, the greatest event since the laying of the foundations of the seas, since the origins of the universe itself...")

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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2009, 10:09:16 PM »
When they said, Houston (Dallas, Nashville) "APOLLO has landed" those expecting things of Biblical Proportional--like the singing and harp playing prostitute seducing Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, or the Babylon mother of harlots using lusted after "fruits" as speakers, singers and instrument players, APOLLO in John's message is the Abaddon or Apollyon.  His musical worship team is the MUSES or musicians in Revelation 18 John called SORCERERS. THAT'S the Apollo who has landed and unleashed the locusts / muses.

2Th. 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,
        whom the Lord shall consume with the SPIRIT of his mouth, [not a little person]
        and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon and all of the SUN gods were worshipped with MUSIC on the SEVENTH DAY: isn't that is a dead giveaway?  That may be the LIGHT which is destroying as we sing and play.

2 Thess 2:9 Even him, whose coming is
          after the working of Satan with all power
          and signs and lying wonders,


In the garden of Eden the "serpent" was a Musical Enchanter: that too parses to the Levites who worshipped the starry host and NOW landing in a church near you.

2Th. 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish;
        because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

2Th. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,
        that they should believe a lie:
2Th. 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth,
        but had pleasure in unrighteousness
.

NOW THAT'S OF BIBLICAL PROPORTION SO INFINITELY DETAILED THAT NO BELIEVER OF THE ELECT CAN BE SEDUCED.

A prodigy a lying wonder might be the false claim that people will bring God into your midst or "lead you into the presence of God" using music.  The word can also mean A monstrous and unnatural Crime.   For instance, a monster might try to force the TITHE or the "Law of giving" under the ploy that the people would be owners of a church.  However, the plan was to divert the monies and lie about all of the "music" words related to the Jewish Civil-Military-Clergy complex whom Christ in spirit called robbers and parasites; or as Scribes and Pharisees called hypocrites marked as speakers, singers and instrument players, to FORCE the owners to submit to the same musical idolatry "or find yourself another church home." id. Verr. 2, 3, 73,

4592 semeion say-mi'-on Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of G4591 ; an indication, especially CEREMONIALLY or supernaturally:--miracle, sign, token, wonder.

Semaino A MARK. SEMEIO: A MARK for AVOIDANCE.

Terato-poios , on, A. working wonders, LXX 2 Ma.15.21

Thaumasios 1.wonderful teras men thaumasion prosidesthai, thauma de kai pareontôn akousai P. 1.26


Pindar Odes 1: [1] Golden lyre, rightful joint possession of Apollo [Apollyon Revelation and the violet-haired Muses [Musicians Rev 18, dirty adulteresses], to which the dance-step listens, the beginning [SEMI] of splendid FESTIVITY and singers obey your notes, whenever, with your quivering strings, you prepare to strike up CHORUS-LEADING PRELUDES. [5] You quench even the warlike thunderbolt of everlasting fire. And the eagle sleeps on the scepter of Zeus, relaxing his swift wings on either side, [7] the king of birds; and you pour down a dark mist over his curved head, a sweet seal on his eyelids. Slumbering, he ripples his liquid back,[10] under the spell of your pulsing notes. Even powerful Ares, setting aside the rough spear-point, warms his heart in repose; your shafts charm the minds even of the gods, by virtue of the skill of Leto's son and the deep-bosomed Muses. [13] But those whom Zeus does not love are stunned with terror  when they hear the cry of the Pierian Muses, on earth or on the irresistible sea.

We know that the LOCUSTS were the MUSES now unleashed from the smoke or wine-colored depths: they lull you to sleep in the sun and the STING you with their scorpion tails.  Isn't that wonderful since ALL of the instrument and music terms parse to ENCHANTMENT or SORCERY. Witchcraft in a church near you.  Lying about all of the "instrument" passages and appearing as WONDERS even as they pick your pockets.

Thaumatourg-eô A. = thaumatopoieô, X.Smp.7.2; work wonders or miracles, Ph.2.18,185; but ta perigeia th. 'play tricks with', of Xerxes, Id.1.674; ta tethaumatourgêmena wonderful phenomena, Pl.Ti. 80c. Parallel to Teratourgeo, Teratourga, Thaumasios

The symposium was the place where the gay men were the CROOKED GENERATION Peter said we should save ourselves from. NOT, sing and clap and play like little girlies for heaven's sake.

Xenophon, Symposium VII. Then some among the rest of the banqueters kept urging Philip to go on with his comparisons, while others opposed. As the clamour rose to some height, Socrates once more interposed, saying:
       “Since we all want to talk, would this not be a fine time to join in singing?

Offline Scoobydoo

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2009, 09:56:37 PM »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

At least this topic has an appropriate tittle for that is what happens when folks try to inject IM into worship.

Hmmmm. upon further reflection and study of the texts though--there is no patterism in the new covenant for imposing IM but it is granted that it does sow discord.

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2009, 07:53:35 AM »
I would agree that imposing IM against a body of believers will would sow discord, I don't think there is any legalistic pattern described in the Bible nor do I think the use of IM is wrong.

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2009, 07:57:00 AM »
By the way I have seen a lot of different things in my 7+ years on this board, but using "Apollo Has Landed" as a lead into an argument against IM is definitely a first... :)

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