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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #15 on: November 10, 2009, 12:04:23 PM »
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Unfortunately the Anti-patternists have grasped that it was after the fall because of musical idolatry, God separated out the tribe of LEVI which had been cursed in Genesis 40 from the Qahal. synagogue or Church of Christ in the wilderness.

That was inclusive of REST, reading and rehearsing the Word
It was exclusive of vocal or instrumental rejoicing.

Then, Rick, you missed John's message about Abaddon or Apollyon who at his time was the "god" Apollo.

Apollo had a Seeker Center at Corinth and therefore the "Mad Women" of Corinth some of whom had served at his oracle center.  His best-known was at Delphi.  He is the "having-fallen" star and his Muses are identified by John as LOCUSTS.

The "musicians" in Revelation 18 are the MUSES: they along with the speakers and instrument players are called SORCERERS by John.  He said that they HAD deceived the whole world.

In Revelation 18 they are also the "lusted after FRUITS" which are the same basket of summer FRUITS in Amos.  In Revelation 17 they work UNDER the Babylon mother of harlots which identifies the beginning and end time apostasy where strong delusions produces lying wonders which includes all of the performing arts.

Amos 8:1 Thus hath the Lord GOD shewed unto me: and behold a basket of summer fruit.
Amos 8:2 And he said, Amos, what seest thou? And I said, A basket of summer fruit.
       Then said the LORD unto me,
       The end is come upon my people of Israel;
       I will not again pass by them any more.

In Revelation 18 the end of the performing artists to "make the lambs dumb before the slaughter" includes the removal of the LAMPS of God's Word.  Music and silencing the songs and sermons of Christ are always TRUE MARKS of the end.

Any Levite who took the singing or playing into the "Holy Place" even of a secular type would take their singing and playing into the body of Christ or the Church of Christ would be executed by the brethren--even in the vilest pagan temple's holy places.

Amos 8:3 And the songs of the temple shall be howlings in that day, saith the Lord GOD: there shall be many dead bodies in every place; they shall cast them forth with silence.
Amos 8:4 Hear this, O ye that swallow up the needy, even to make the poor of the land to fail,
Amos 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

It was BECAUSE of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai that God turned them over to worship the starry host: those who impose instruments to sow discord usually restore a SABBATH days service which was the day of WORSHIP by all of the SUN gods.  Therefore, we know that the system of Israel was identical to that TO WHICH God abandoned them.

Aristophanes Archarnians

DICAEOPOLIS

Peace, profane men! Let the basket-bearer come forward, and thou Xanthias, hold the phallus well upright.

1. The maiden who carried the basket filled with fruits at the Dionysia in honour of Bacchus.
          kanêphoros [pherô] carrying a basket:-- Kanêphoroi, hai, Basket-bearers, at Athens,
          maidens who carried on their heads baskets containing the sacred things used at the
          feasts of Demeter, Bacchus and Athena, Ar.
2. The emblem of the fecundity of nature; it consisted of a representation, generally grotesquely exaggerated, of the male genital organs; the phallophori crowned with violets and ivy and their faces shaded with green foliage, sang improvised airs, call `Phallics,' full of obscenity and suggestive `double entendres.'


Many people have noted that a hand held microphone is a phallic symbol: haven't you noticed the way the "praise singers" seem to make love to the microphone? They have also noticed that the new style praise songs are derived from the Vineyard and Carol Wimber says that the music should bring on a sexual-like climatic experience with the Spirit.  They (we) have also noticed that the praise ditties have an inordinate urge to see Jesus as a lover: Yea, even dare to dance with God! Wow!







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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2009, 10:47:06 AM »
Many people have noted that a hand held microphone is a phallic symbol

Really?  Well . . .

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haven't you noticed the way the "praise singers" seem to make love to the microphone?

Not really.  You must have been around more "praise singers" than I ever have.  My wife and I have noticed that the woman singer who we have seen sing a couple of times down at a local bakery on Friday night does seem to occasionally have facial expressions that one might expect from one experiencing the ecstasies of the midnight rodeo.  But she wasn't doing "praise" songs.

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They have also noticed that the new style praise songs are derived from the Vineyard and Carol Wimber says that the music should bring on a sexual-like climatic experience with the Spirit.  They (we) have also noticed that the praise ditties have an inordinate urge to see Jesus as a lover: Yea, even dare to dance with God! Wow!

My experience with "praise singers" is that I have only seen such a thing maybe three times.  The songs were repetitive and not the least bit informative or encouraging.  They were certainly forgettable, not like other disco songs like "Funky Town" or "Super Freak".
taller, better looking and smarter . . .

They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2009, 04:06:03 PM »



Nowhere in the law of Christ are we ever taught to praise at any time with instruments of music... NOWHERE. 



Mighty strong words coming from someone who never responded to the arguments beginning at #51 here:

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/churches-of-christ-forum/most-important-decision-facing-us/45/




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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2009, 12:34:58 PM »
A agree with what Rick said on page 1.  If someone tries to bring in something like instruments to a congregation where there are folks who don't want it, that does have all the earmarks of dirty pool.  If we order a mess of pizza for the congregation to eat during some sort of get together pizzas that everyone will eat are ordered.  I like anchovies, jalepenos and roasted garlic on my pizza, but have never reckoned folks should just either learn to live with it or leave.  Same goes with gazoos and accordions.
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taller, better looking and smarter . . .

They turned me loose from the nervous hospital.  Said I was well.  Mmm hmm.

Suffering for your beliefs is called faithfulness, making others suffer for your beliefs is called being a jerk.

His cross, like the ark in the wilderness, is the center around which his people are to encamp; so that they cannot separate into factions, or withdraw from each other, without retiring at the same time from the presence of the cross.

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Re: The legalistic patternism for imposing instruments and sowing discord.
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2009, 07:04:04 PM »
There are several forms of the word PRAISE.  Remember that David was not a "worship leader" nor did he write liturgy.  After God turned the nation over to worship the starry host and then "fired" Him in favor of a national leader God understood that they wanted to WORSHIP like the nations. That is why the STARY WORSHIP at the national headquarters is quite identical to that of Canaan, Egypt or Babylon.  The Levites were an old Egyptian sect devoted to FIRE and SUN worhship which included burning infants to Moloch right there in Jerusalem.

There are only 57 mizmors which would fit Paul's meaning of a PSALM: the others are in the BOOK of Psalms which was a word imposed in the GREEK translation. Only 50 of these are not restricted and when the nation quit teaching the PROSE Text and turned to the PSALMS these would have been the 1/3 used. None of them included the name of an instrument which is requred if you want to include one.  Many of the psalms are TAUNT songs intended to drive the enemy into cowardice (remember Gideon).

Paul did not command us to TEACH by SPEAKING any of the Halal or praise poems: therefore, "Psalm" 150 would not have been included. 

The # 150 is not a psalm but a halal or praise and even David confessed to MAKING HIMSELF VILE with the Girls in the Ark moving experience.  A halal would have been sung which means SCREECHING, SCREAMING, YELLING and not making music WHILE tens of thousand bows twanged threatening to send an arrow, and trumpets made noise along with the few harps.  None of this was to make music but to send signals or warning.  Most of the instruments named in HALAL 150 derive from loose women or idolaters.

Remember when Moses came down from the mountain he did not hear the sounds of making war orthe sounds of celebrating victory; it is SINGING that I hear. That was musical idolatry.

David's Praise word is the root from which we get LUCIFER and quite identical to a word meaning to blow the flute, steal one's inheritance, pollute or prostitute: it is also used of "Lucifer being cast out of heaven."


All of the time the worship of the starry host was taking place INSIDE of the walls, the instrumental NOISE was to warn any civillian to be OUTSIDE of the Camp--and that is where Paul said we will find Jesus.  Outside the camp each small gathering SYNAGOGUE or did church:

It was INCLUSIVE of Rest, reading and rehearsing the Word.
It was EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing.

In the Latin, the synagogue or Church of Christ is called an ACADEMIA and notes its contrast to the Academia of the CYNICS: these were the "old style praise singers" Paul intended to EXCLUSE from worhip IN THE SPIRIT as opposed to IN THE FLESH.

Incidentially, psallo is never used in the Greek literature to mean MELODY.  If it meant melody even now it would be a "series of single notes."  That may be why Paul put it in the PLACE of the heart which people would understand clearly as "making the heart strings vibrate." This would be a CONTRAST to outward psallo speaking of making war or making sexual advances.

Both melody (Greek Melos) and Grace are used to define the quality of SPEAK.

The word PSALLO has no remote musical connection: it simply means to PLUCK with your fingers and NOT with a plectrum: you cannot psallo with a guitar pick, drum, blow, play keyboard or anything without DIRECTLY VIOLATING the meaning of PSALLO.

It turns out that if you PLUCK a harp string (with your finers only) you MAY intend to twang more than one. However, if you PLUCK the hair out of a young male he is ready to be a "priest" to do service to such as Alexander the Great who PLUCKED the harp so skillfully that it shamed Phillip his father. Paul alluded to these people when he hoped the knife would slip and they would emasculate themselves.

ALL of the NACC proof texts are within this perverted plucking.  Most often PSALLO would point to plucking a bow string to make it TWANG to send forth a SINGING arrow into a literal harp.

And, meaningless perhaps, the PSALLO and HARP word is most of the time in the literature speaking of APOLLO who is the Abaddon or Apollyon of Revelation.  His "muses" or musical worship team are coded as LOCUSTS, are identified as dirty, smelly adulterers are the musicians in Revelation 18 and John called them SORCERERS.

That returns to the beginning where the king of Tyre is called the singing and harp-playing prostitute in the garden of Eden.

There was no singing as an ACT until the year 373 and then to sing the not-commanded Biblical text. I doubt that they were ignorant of the modern lust to turn school of the Bible into what they call "a theater for holy entertainment." That, by the way, is perfectly defined as the lying wonders as the SIGN of delusional people.



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