Using transliterated words

[Bocephus]

Church comes from CIRCE.

[koscheiman]

One of Alexander Campbell's ideas was to translate words in the the vernacular instead of "transliterating" them, such as translating "baptism" to "immersion". Sometimes coC preachers still make this point, even though most people use "baptism". Another example would be the word "bishop" to "overseer".

My question is why wasn't this idea followed with the word "Christ"? After all, the word "Christ" is transliterated from "christos" and translated means something like "anointed one". Inquiring minds want to know, why didn't churches of Christ stick to their principles and become "assemblies of the anointed one"?

Ken

P.S. I thru "assembly" in there because "church" comes from the Greek "kyrios" meaning Lord.

 

Church comes from the Greek word ekklēsia meaning "a calling out."

He was talking about the etymology of the word "church" itself, not the word that's translated as "church" in the New Testament.

The etymology of the word "church" has nothing to do with the Greek word "kyrios" meaning Lord.

[James.]

Shoot why do we call ourselves Christians instead of followers of the way?

Because "Followers of the The Way" on a sof is creepy in this day and age.

(always reminds me of The Wave)

[James.]

One of Alexander Campbell's ideas was to translate words in the the vernacular instead of "transliterating" them, such as translating "baptism" to "immersion". Sometimes coC preachers still make this point, even though most people use "baptism". Another example would be the word "bishop" to "overseer".

My question is why wasn't this idea followed with the word "Christ"? After all, the word "Christ" is transliterated from "christos" and translated means something like "anointed one". Inquiring minds want to know, why didn't churches of Christ stick to their principles and become "assemblies of the anointed one"?

Ken

P.S. I thru "assembly" in there because "church" comes from the Greek "kyrios" meaning Lord.

 

Church comes from the Greek word ekklēsia meaning "a calling out."

He was talking about the etymology of the word "church" itself, not the word that's translated as "church" in the New Testament.

The etymology of the word "church" has nothing to do with the Greek word "kyrios" meaning Lord.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=church

church
O.E. cirice "church," from W.Gmc. *kirika, from Gk. kyriake (oikia) "Lord's (house)," from kyrios "ruler, lord." For vowel evolution, see bury. Gk. kyriakon (adj.) "of the Lord" was used of houses of Christian worship since c.300, especially in the East, though it was less common in this sense than ekklesia or basilike. An example of the direct Gk.-to-Gmc. progress of many Christian words, via the Goths; it was probably used by W.Gmc. people in their pre-Christian period. Also picked up by Slavic, via Gmc. (cf. O.Slav. criky, Rus. cerkov). Romance and Celtic languages use variants of L. ecclesia. Slang church key for "can or bottle opener" is from 1950s. Church-mouse, proverbial in many languages for its poverty, is 1731 in Eng.

[DCR]

One of Alexander Campbell's ideas was to translate words in the the vernacular instead of "transliterating" them, such as translating "baptism" to "immersion". Sometimes coC preachers still make this point, even though most people use "baptism". Another example would be the word "bishop" to "overseer".

My question is why wasn't this idea followed with the word "Christ"? After all, the word "Christ" is transliterated from "christos" and translated means something like "anointed one". Inquiring minds want to know, why didn't churches of Christ stick to their principles and become "assemblies of the anointed one"?

Ken

P.S. I thru "assembly" in there because "church" comes from the Greek "kyrios" meaning Lord.

 

Church comes from the Greek word ekklēsia meaning "a calling out."

He was talking about the etymology of the word "church" itself, not the word that's translated as "church" in the New Testament.

The etymology of the word "church" has nothing to do with the Greek word "kyrios" meaning Lord.

You're wrong about that.  James already posted one source.  Here's another:

(From Merrian-Webster's Online Dictionary)

Main Entry: 1church  
Pronunciation: \ˈchərch\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English chirche, from Old English cirice, ultimately from Late Greek kyriakon, from Greek, neuter of kyriakos of the lord, from kyrios lord, master; akin to Sanskrit śūra hero, warrior

Again, we're talking just about the origin of the English word "church."  We all know that the Greek word that is translated as "church" in most if not all translations of the New Testament is the word ekklesia or "called out."  But, that isn't the point of contention.

[marc]

Church comes from CIRCE.

No, church comes from KIRK. 

[zoonance]

Church comes from CIRCE.

No, church comes from KIRK. 

"Scotty, I need the baptistry filled."   "It will take 45 minutes, Captain, but I'll do it in 10."

[James.]

"I said I...needed it...warm, Scotty!"

"Ya canno' change the laws of physics, Captain!  I'm givin' 'er all she's got!"

[s1n4m1n]

Transliteration had its beginning with the KJV of 1611. The scholars feared King James, who believed in sprinkling, would behead them if they translated baptiso as immersion. So they came up with the idea of transliteration. This is also why the KJV uses the word Easter in Acts 12:4 rather than Passover, because of the king's beliefs.

This is one of those times when almost every sentence in a post is riddled with error.

Transliteration had its beginning with the KJV of 1611.

This is an error, some form of the word baptizo was in use in the English language for hundreds of years before the KJV. Even John Wycliffe, the "Morning Star of the Reformatio", used the word in his 1384 English translation.

The scholars feared King James, who believed in sprinkling, would behead them if they translated baptiso as immersion.

The king actually told them to keep the common ecclesiatical terms, "church words" used for centuries. Most of the translators were loyal Churchmen and had no problem with the directive. In fact, when the translators felt it necessary to use an English word for baptizo they did.

So they came up with the idea of transliteration.

Again some form of the word baptizo was in use among the English people for hundreds of years before the KJV. In addition, the Vulgate, a 5th century Latin translation of the Greek text by St. Jerome, used some form of baptizo in its translation. In fact, the term baptizo has always been used among many language groups to refer to the act of Christian initiation.

 

[zoonance]

Shoot why do we call ourselves Christians instead of followers of the way?

wasn't 'christian' a derogatory/explanatory kind of word, sort of, directed first to those at Antioch?  We are called disciples mostly aren't we, followed by believers - or vice versa.

[koscheiman]

Shoot why do we call ourselves Christians instead of followers of the way?

wasn't 'christian' a derogatory/explanatory kind of word, sort of, directed first to those at Antioch?  We are called disciples mostly aren't we, followed by believers - or vice versa.

The word comes from Greek Χριστιανός (christianos), from Χριστός (christos) meaning "the anointed one." In the (Greek) Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ,) (messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

The first known usage of the term Χριστιανός (christianos) can be found in the New Testament in Acts 11:26: "the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch." They were disciples and followers of Jesus Christ. The other two New Testament uses of the word also refer to the public identity of those who follow Jesus. The Jewish king said the Apostle Paul had almost persuaded the king "to become a Christian" (Acts 26:28). Writing in 1 Peter 4:16, The Message paraphrase, the Apostle Peter encouraged believers who are abused "because you're a Christian, don't give it a second thought. Be proud of the distinguished status reflected in that name!"

The earliest recorded use of the term outside the Bible was when Tacitus recorded that Nero blamed the "Christians" for the Great Fire of Rome in AD 64.

[Livelysword]

Shoot why do we call ourselves Christians instead of followers of the way?

wasn't 'christian' a derogatory/explanatory kind of word, sort of, directed first to those at Antioch?  We are called disciples mostly aren't we, followed by believers - or vice versa.

The word comes from Greek Χριστιανός (christianos), from Χριστός (christos) meaning "the anointed one." In the (Greek) Septuagint version of the Hebrew Bible, christos was used to translate the Hebrew מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ,) (messiah), meaning "[one who is] anointed."

The first known usage of the term Χριστιανός (christianos) can be found in the New Testament in Acts 11:26: "the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch." They were disciples and followers of Jesus Christ. The other two New Testament uses of the word also refer to the public identity of those who follow Jesus. The Jewish king said the Apostle Paul had almost persuaded the king "to become a Christian" (Acts 26:28). Writing in 1 Peter 4:16, The Message paraphrase, the Apostle Peter encouraged believers who are abused "because you're a Christian, don't give it a second thought. Be proud of the distinguished status reflected in that name!"

The earliest recorded use of the term outside the Bible was when Tacitus recorded that Nero blamed the "Christians" for the Great Fire of Rome in AD 64.

Lively:  Well taught... +1 to the manna...

[s1n4m1n]

and "transliterating" instead of translating "christianos" or "christos" is OK because...

[Livelysword]

and "transliterating" instead of translating "christianos" or "christos" is OK because...

Lively:  Because we know and understand the meaning of the word....


1Co 14:9  So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air.
1Co 14:10  There are, it may be, so many kinds of voices in the world, and none of them is without signification.
1Co 14:11  Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice, I shall be unto him that speaketh a barbarian, and he that speaketh shall be a barbarian unto me.
1Co 14:12  Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.