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Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
« on: February 03, 2010, 06:40:14 PM »
 We noted long ago that the witchery was coming to Nashville.

   http://www.piney.com/David.Lipscomb.Summer.2008.html

This included:

    This conference proposes that WE allow the worlds imagined
            in the essential biblical narratives
            to dramatically shape our preaching and lives.

        We believe that preaching reconstitutes biblical paradigms when it engages Scripture’s vision

           1. by representing what is absent
           2. and making present what is inaccessible
           3. to the end that followers of God will live into a God-shaped reality.


Not only that, you can get a doctorate when Jesus SAID essentially that the "doctors of the law TAKE AWAY the key to knowledge."

    http://www.lipscomb.edu/filter.asp?SID=4&fi_key=786&co_key=17514

   
ICS’s inaugural event, Nurture 2010 on March 2, will offer a day of free seminars for ministers, other church leaders and individuals interested in enhancing their spiritual lives. The seminar concludes with a 7 p.m. free keynote speech and book signing by Ortberg, pastor at Menlo Park Presbyterian Church in Menlo Park, Calif., in Lipscomb’s Allen Arena.

We also warned you about the REFORMED background at Lipscomb.

    Ortberg, a nationally recognized speaker and writer on spiritual formation, has compiled his research, insight and experiences in his latest book, The Me I Want To Be, designed as a practical guide for living the best life possible for God. He is the author of many other books, including The Life You've Always Wanted: Spiritual Growth for Ordinary People, Faith & Doubt and When the Game Is Over, It All Goes.
   
    Prior to his work in Menlo Park, Ortberg served as teaching pastor at Willow Creek Community Church, South Barrington, Ill., one of the largest congregations in the nation.
   
    Details of the Nurture 2010 seminars are available at ics.lipscomb.edu. Advance registration is recommended and is also available at ics.lipscomb.edu. For more information on this event e-mail [email protected].


AS ELDERS YOU MAY HAVE TO GLEEFULY SUBMIT TO FEMALE DOMINANCE.

http://www.piney.com/WinWill3.html

   
"We ask that Participating Members of Willow Creek minimally be able to affirm and joyfully sit under the teaching of women teachers ... that they can joyfully submit to the leadership of women in various leadership positions at Willow Creek."

A letter from Mr. Bilezikian to Mr. Carr confirmed the church's position: "I commend you for wanting to serve with integrity in a church that is compatible with your view.

    Obviously Willow Creek is not that place." At that point Mr. Carr gave up the idea of membership.

Willow Creek teacher Mr. Ortberg says the need for agreement is an "issue of integrity"

But complementarian Wayne Grudem uses no euphemisms in his analysis of the Willow Creek position:

"The way an egalitarian view triumphs is by a suppression of information and discussion."


Scholars have long noted that religionism in contrast to what Jesus taught and commanded is the arena for females and the effeminate. That is why males usually participate to keep peache in the family whereas males would be "outside the camp" resting with Jesus Whose Gospel is to "come learn of ME."

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Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
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Re: Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2010, 07:54:19 PM »
It comes down to beer.  When men listened to women nag about beer it was like letting a dog have the taste of blood.

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Re: Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2010, 08:47:03 PM »
Settle down, Blit.

There won't be any IM, and since this isn't a "church" event, there aren't any rules.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2010, 08:50:01 PM »
It comes down to beer.  When men listened to women nag about beer it was like letting a dog have the taste of blood.

Come to think of it, temperance and womens rights did start about the same time.


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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2010, 09:07:15 PM »
That's true but it has been noted that "for every warlock there are 10,000 witches."  The problem, lots of history notes, is that the warlocks TOO are of doubtful gender.

No, but I betcha there will be Organic Instruments called a "praise team" to make it a testesterone free zone.  You DO know that the professor of Spiritual Formation did time at Fuller and is a "wimmen."  Revelation 17-18 defines these times perfectly. They are bringing in the Willow Creek guru.  Nashville really tried to go Willow Creek but with a little outside help they landed there without a paddle. True to the Lynn Anderson's patternism, they always lie low and then lurch again when no one is listening anyway.

    Christianity Today and the fears of a militaristic cult.

    "Douglass, who has developed the most successful Willow Creek-based church service in Germany, even maintained, "I think this approach is most applicable to the state churches. We have the people, even if they don't attend. We enjoy an incredible edge in confidence vis-àvis the free churches." He cautioned,

    "The cost of this approach is hard work and loads of strife with church insiders." Christianity Today

    "SKEPTICAL VOICES: Skeptics believe a Willow Creek approach disregards Western Europeans' strong aversion to entering any church service, their suspicion of innovation, and deep fear of sectarianism. Christianity Today


That's not surprising: feminists which roled over the Oak Hills elders preach UPSETTING PEOPLE'S COMFORT ZONES. This, of course, and the very words have slipped out of Mein Kampf and Machiavelli.  "Becoming a prince (princess) of another person's land can only be done by prayer or force--and prayer rarely works" says the Prince.  The Jubilee people used Machiavelli to explain why change came so slow: the "Prince" says that it is because the "people usually have the law on their side and everything to lose."

Never doubt what evil lurks in the hearts of man!

"All things come into being by conflict of opposites, and the sum of things flows like a stream. This order, the same for all things, no one of gods or men has made, but it always was, and is, and ever shall be, an ever-living fire, kindling according to fixed measure, and extinguished according to fixed measure. Justice meant a balance of opposites, and hence could be defined as strife.

            Heraclitus cited as an example the tension between the string and the frame in a bow or a musical instrument. 'Harmony lies in the bending back, as for instance of the bow or of the lyre... Opposition unites. From what draws apart results the most beautiful harmony. All things take place by strife'." (Parkes, Henry Bamford, Gods and Men The Origins of Western Culture, p. 188, Knopf)


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Re: Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2010, 09:31:14 PM »
If a praise team is constituted of Organic Instruments, then so would be an entire congregation. In fact, isn't that the very argument of non-IMmers - that the instruments are the people?

So we still don't have a problem.

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2010, 01:36:38 PM »
Having a "team" standing in the holy place (of church architecture) claiming to be able to lead you into the presence of God (Jesus' role); and doing BODY WORSHIP to get you arroused is quite different from a congregation NOT watching a team claiming to WORSHIP. Worship is something that happens only in the spirit and you cannot think about Jesus while watching a performer DELIBERATELY claiming to write inspired but really gender bleeding all.  I think my hammering the Zoe Group caused them to bring in a man whose MINISTRY is to convince the musicians that the Platonic Fallacy is not true.

However, congregational singing using very complex harmony where every "pipe" or "reed" concerned with "doing my part" to make a perfect performance IS DEFACTO a whole orchestra.  A cappella, not ACappella, was singing "organum" or in the style of the pipe organ: a Pope brought a castrated musical worship team to the Sistine chapel where instruments were outlawed.  While civilization outlawed the Catholic's castration of young boys, the STYLE of the New Style praise singing was then called "trouser songs" and if you listen to CCM you will still hear the whining choir boys. Cappella was mostly SHE GOAT and also a constellation: that fits the Catholics' continuing the Jewish worship of the STARRY HOST.  Sistine is derived from a General's goat (caper) skin chapel.

Because the DIRECT COMMAND--if you could hallucinate SINGING for the "synagogue"--in Romans 15 is defined as "that which is written" or "Scripture." And since Psalms, Hymns and Spiritual songs are all types of "that which is written" you cannot be a First Century Church or a New Testament Church if you sing Fanny Crosby or Twila Paris which will turn you into a woman.
      You, in fact, performing MUSIC which means to "shut the mouth of the victim" while the Heretic (in Greek systems) lifted up the victim to cut its throat, are SILENCING the Words of Jesus Christ which is either a subconscience or unconscious repudiation of Jesus Christ.

And since NONE of "that which has been taught" which is the COMMAND to the elders was METRICAL you could not sing it tunefully if your life depended on it. SINGING as an ACT (that legalistic, patternist word) was not imposed until the year 373 and then--why else--to sing the songs of the bishop.
       You can prove that by the fact that the Reformers CONCEDED congregational singing to the masses who had gathered at the great cathedrals to hear musical performance, that they had to RECOMPOSE in a radical way just the PSALMS to make them singable in a UNISON (one mind, one mouth per Rom 15).  THEN, they were gradually composed for PARTS.

You can also prove it by the fact that PSALLO is never found to mean MELODY in the Greek literature.  And "melody as tunefulness belongs to the 19th century." Even NOW, melody just means "a series of single tones" which they named do, re, me....

Vocal or instrumental rejoicing was OUTLAWED by Christ for the synagogue or church in the wilderness. At no time in history did that change until the year 1815: even then, the judge said that the liberal Rabbi COULD NOT steal the synagogue. That was the meaning of Sand Creek which changelings love to use as a RACA term.

So, since Jesus invited and Paul affirmed that we have to go OUTSIDE of the camp (house or battle array) to find Him and "learn of Him" we should NOT think that we can find the Kingdom of Christ on all four corners of Fifth and Wine where they have Dionysus--the old wineskin god--captured with a team of "Goat Singers."

I like what Jesus commanded in the wilderness, practiced in the synagogue, commanded with the "ekklesia" term and directly commanded by Paul in the NEVER musical passages: SPEAK where speak is specificially the OPPOSITE of poetry or music.

When the Spirit informed Jesus He SPOKE without METRON which word most often means WITHOUT METER.  Isn't that the wildest thing you ever heard?

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2010, 09:45:48 PM »
I was just observing that your objection to Organic Instruments was disingenuous, since the congregation is composed of Organic Instruments. Therefore, Organic Instruments are OK.

If you object to having the OI lined up on stage, that's a different discussion. They remain however, OI.

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Re: Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2010, 10:07:02 PM »
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Blit, aka, Piney is opposed to organic instruments as well as inorganic instruments. He believes music is the root of all evil whether its vocal, instrumental, in worship, or out of worship.

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Re: Why isn't the "Spiritual Foundation" fad sorcery?
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 09:31:08 AM »
Having a "team" standing in the holy place (of church architecture) claiming to be able to lead you into the presence of God

I've asked around how they know when they get there and all I get from them is a funny look.  Even funnier looks if I ask them how long they need to sing before God is aware of anything going on inside the building.

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a Pope brought a castrated musical worship team to the Sistine chapel where instruments were outlawed.

Castrated by George Bush using a dull spoon, no doubt.  You gotta watch those Methodists. 
 
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if you sing Fanny Crosby or Twila Paris which will turn you into a woman.

Well, I know lots of guys who have sung tunes from them and we have all fathered children.  I can remember even as a young child, though, some of us pointing at the name "Fanny" in a church songbook and giggling about it.


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Isn't that the wildest thing you ever heard?

Nope.  The wildest thing I ever heard was Ray Steven's "Get Your Tongue Out of My Mouth, I'm Kissing You Goodbye".

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« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2010, 07:51:36 PM »
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Blit, aka, Piney is opposed to organic instruments as well as inorganic instruments. He believes music is the root of all evil whether its vocal, instrumental, in worship, or out of worship.
Well I suppose if that's his view.....I am at a loss to understand why he objects to IM at all. Accompanied or unaccompanied, they're both damnable heresies, no?

It also appears that he enjoys the community created by a church of 1, apparently.