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Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,One issue that comes up is when we hear something out of scripture we are not used to thinking about--it tends to confuse us. This portion deals with the fact that the Apostle Paul Teaches That Old Testament "Scripture" Is Not New Testament "Doctrine"In our memorization of scripture--not many folks remember this text --2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.On the other hand just about everyone knows this one --2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. What we have not done is to learn to divide the word of God as God has done--by covenants.Those who attempt to use 2 Timothy 3:15-17 to teach that "all" (or even some) Old Testament scripture is "profitable" as New Testament "doctrine," contradict and deny what Paul really teaches in clear New Testament "doctrine" on this question. Notice how Paul denies such a false interpretation of 2 Timothy 3:15-17, for he declares that it is not "sound doctrine," not a doctrine or knowledge of New Testament "truth," not a doctrine or part of the "words of faith that saves," not a part of "the grace of God which saves," never a part of Paul's teaching as an inspired apostle of Jesus Christ. "3As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine," (1 Tim. 1:3). "10...and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust" (1 Tim. 1:10-11). "19Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck" (1 Tim. 1:19-20). "4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4). "15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15). "6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained...16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." (1 Tim. 4:6, 16). "17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine" (1 Tim. 5:17). "1Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed...3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." (1 Tim. 6:1, 3-5). "13Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Tim. 1:13). "2And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2). "10But thou hast fully known my doctrine," (2 Tim. 3:10). " 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" (2 Tim. 2:2-7). "9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. 12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth" (Titus 1:9-14). "10Not purloining, but showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee" (Titus 2:10-15). Most of us have read these scriptures..but see then now in the light of Paul applying 2 Tim 3:16-17Scooby
Zoonance, greetings in Christ from very much colder Texas where the snow is getting closer,Bible Study by its nature ought to begin with a verse and then working outward from there--seeking first what the author states in other places and then what other authors have to say. It is enlightning and helpful. Actually, I often start with just a word and do this--but that is just me.Using your approach folks somehow seem to miss to whom eph 5:19 is written to..Ever notice that?On the other hand, there is to be said something for taking the whole forest at one setting.Scooby
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was not revealed to or known in Old Testament Israel at the time of Psalms 23. Jesus Christ was still 1000 years in the future at the time of Psalms 23.
The "Lord" in this passage refers to Jehovah God, the Father of Old Testament Israel. Psalms 23 related to Old Testament Israel only; it did not refer to New Testament "Christians." Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was not revealed to or known in Old Testament Israel at the time of Psalms 23. Jesus Christ was still 1000 years in the future at the time of Psalms 23.
Psalm 110:1 A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. 110:2 The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. 110:3 Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. 110:4 The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek. 110:5 The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath. 110:6 He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries. 110:7 He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
Psalm 2:1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? 2:2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 2:3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 2:4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. 2:5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure. 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession. 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
I actually am beginning to think I understand somewhat the arrorance of the Jewish leadership for it is somewhat similar to yours on MDR.
Here is how I have more than a clue--I simply read your responses--why don't you go back and do that and see If you have not said a lot about it. One quick clue--you do not believe that remarriage is the unforgivable sin..and there is more.
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