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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #455 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 09:29:32 »
Look at it this way--that situation is nothing, nada like the city of Corinth when Paul first walked those streets.

That's true Scooby and I hope Texas will not be annexed by Mexico in the near future...I see where Ford is building their new motor in Mexico for the "Fusion" as they cut back production in their Louisville, Ky. plant. We lost over 2000 jobs in Dayton to your neighbor south of the border when Whirlpool moved their plant across the border.

Do you have missionaries in Sonora? Have you written your congressman asking why we are not drilling for oil off the East coast and in the Gulf when China is increasings production in these areas? China is buying "240,000 barrels of crude oil a day from Iran" and has just renewed their contract with the supplier of arms and explosives to the Taliban by thumbing their nose at Texas and the rest of the USA.

Do the churches in Texas have missionaries in China? If not, may I recommend Asian Christian Services. www.asiachristianservices.org We do not have an apostle Paul over there, but prayfully we can reach the Chinese with his teaching. If Christianity is not spread into mainland China, Texas may be the next Corinth..... "gone" with "a cup half full"


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« Reply #456 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 15:05:26 »
Pointmade, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

I just spent four days with a booth at Sunset International School of the bible. I am always hopeful when I see the different type of ongoing works of the gospel going throughout the world.

Just remember Pointmade--as Christians this world is not our home If you are worried about Texas, don't be, we may decide to annex Mexico.

It is not always easy to prove but we do have a lot of missionaries in Mexico and a lot of brothers and sisters.

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #457 on: Sat Jan 22, 2011 - 23:10:52 »
I have been disappointed in much of the missionary efforts in latin america.  So many "leaders" are absolutely unable to think outside a box that they were indoctrinated in.  To somehow claim that this is proof of their allegiance to that which was once delivered is disingenous.  They aren't equipped to think on their own.  If you don't believe me, try discussing why they should study scriptures by covenants.

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« Reply #458 on: Sun Jan 23, 2011 - 08:47:29 »
zoonance, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

All I said was that we had many--they have the same hang ups we do because we mostly hung them up with them.

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« Reply #459 on: Sun Jan 23, 2011 - 16:38:31 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,  I want to "pick up" where I left off with 2 Tim 3:15-17.

Brethren, what could be simpler than to realize the Scriptures teach that New Testament "doctrine" is found only in the New Testament of Jesus Christ.  Contrary to what some brethren teach today on 2 Timothy 3:15-17, New Testament "doctrine" is not found scattered in “all Scripture

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« Reply #460 on: Sun Jan 23, 2011 - 16:56:42 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas, I am going to insert a short explanation that works for me on the unforgiveable sin i.e. "Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirit"

In Matthew 12, Jesus addresses the "unbelief" of Old Testament Jews in him as the promised "Messiah," and their contributing his miracles of healing to Beelzebub, the prince of devils, rather than the work of the di­vine Holy Spirit.

Because Christ is not present today performing miracles by the power of the Holy Spirit as in Matt. 12:28, no one today can attribute Christ's power of healing to Beelzebub, the prince of devils, and thereby "blaspheme" against the Holy Spirit.

The sin and blasphemy against the Holy Spirit of Matthew 12:31, was perculiar to and applied only to the "unbelieving" and "blaspheming" Jews of the last generation in Israel before the "end" of the Mosaical age.

Matthew 12 does not address the "unbelief" and condemnation of alien sinners for rejecting the New Testament "gospel" of the Holy Spirit in this New Testament age.


This "unbelief" of the Pharisees in the Messiah and his miracles of healing, and their false charge of contributing Christ's power of healing by the Holy Spirit to Beelzebub, the prince of devils, was the most despi­cable "blasphemy" against the Holy Spirit possible.

The so-called "unpardonable sin" of today among denominations, a strictly sectarian term and doctrine of denominationalism, is not taught in either the Old or New Testaments.

The "unbelieving" and "blaspheming" Jews of Matthew, Mark, Luke and JohnJ -- before the cross (MMLJBC) -- were the only old covenant people ever able to reject the Messiah under the Old Testament law of Moses -- before the cross, and then reject him when the New Testament age began -- after the cross.

The text and context of Matthew 12 specifically describes the confrontation between Christ, the Jewish Messiah and the "unbelieving" and "blaspheming" Pharisees in Israel.

Matthew 12:1-2 shows the Pharisees accusing Christ's disciples of doing that which is "unlawful" on the sabbath. A clear definition and discussion of Christ, Jews and the Old Testament law of Moses.

Jesus then defends his disciples by illustrating King David's example of eating the shewbread in the tem­ple, or the how priests profaned the sabbath, and all were "blameless" under the law (Matt. 12:3-8).
Immediately, Jesus and his disciples go into a synagogue, and they ask the Messiah if it is lawful for him to heal on "sabbath days" (Matt. 12:9-13).

Matthew 12:14 then states that the "unbelieving" Pharissees "held a council" against Jesus as to how they might "destroy him."

Matthew 12:15-21, Jesus continued to heal "all" in Israel and then quotes and interprets Isaiah 49:6 which prophesied of his work as the Messiah in Israel. That ultimately, although the many Jews in Israel re­fused to believe in him as the Messiah, when the New Testament age began the Gentile nations would come to trust in him.

Again, in Matthew 12:22-34, the "unbelieving" and "blaspheming" Pharisees and other Jews that ac­cused Christ of healing by the power of Beelzebub, the prince of devils, this was the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" of which Christ spake.


Matthew 12:34-38 specifically designates those "unbelieving" and "blaspheming" Jews in Old Testa­ment Israel to whom his teaching was given; those who were accountable to this particular sin against the Holy Spirit. "O generation of vipers...But I say unto you...For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned...Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying..."

Christ left no doubt as to who was guilty of the sin of "blasphemy" against the Holy Spirit, and it in­cludes no one in this New Testament age.

While the text and context of the "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" in Matthew 12:30-31 applied only to the unbelieving and blaspheming Jews in Old Testament Israel, there were other instances and accusations of Jewish "blasphemy" in MMLJ --before the cross -- against things sacred under the law of Moses.

Jesus was falsely accused of "blasphemy" because he forgave the sins of a man sick of palsy.

Matthew 9:3 “And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. (See also Mk. 2:7; Lk. 5:21).

Jesus taught his Jewish disciples that "blasphemies" originated within the heart of man.
Matthew 15:19 “For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false wit­ness, blasphemies

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« Reply #461 on: Tue Jan 25, 2011 - 21:37:28 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Understanding "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" continued


Paul then states, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God..." which shows Paul's role as an apostle of Jesus Christ affirming the divine "inspiration" of "all scripture" in all covenants of the Bible.

Paul authenticates the inspiration of all Old Testament scripture, and "certifies" (Gal. 1:11-12) the revelation of "all" New Testament scripture. Paul declares by divine inspiration that God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are the "revelators" of holy scripture in all covenants.

However, Paul does not declare here that "all scripture" of the Old Testament is New Testament doctrine. Paul teaches that "all scripture" of the Old Testament reveals Old Testament doctrine, and "all scripture" of the New Testament reveals New Testament doctrine.

The apostle goes on to state that "All scripture...is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." Yes, all Old Testament scripture was profitable for Old Testament doctrine, reproof, correction and righteousness in Old Testament Israel , and all New Testament scripture furnishes the New Testament Christian to every good work.

But Paul is not teaching that Old Testament scripture from the law of Moses is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction and righteousness in this New Testament "age." One New Testament passage by Paul shows this to be evident and true.
"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified...19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. " (Gal. 2:16, 19-20).


As we can readily understand, in 2 Timothy 3:15-17 Paul is teaching that Old Testament "doctrine" (Isa. 28:9; 29:4; Jer.10:8; Pro. 4:8; Matt. 7:28; Jn. 7:16) is "profitiable" for Old Testament "doctrine," and New Testament "doctrine" is "profitable" for New Testament "doctrine." But Paul is not teaching that Old Testament "doctrine" is "profitiable" as New Testament "doctrine."

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« Reply #462 on: Fri Jan 28, 2011 - 14:22:31 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Understanding "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" continued

We should all remember that the historical and old covenant teaching of the old Mosaical covenant from Exodus 20 through Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23 and John 19 was not only Old Testament "doctrine" for the Jews of Israel who lived under the law of Moses from the time of Moses to the death of Christ on the cross, but the historical "background" of the Old Testament helps all Bible students today to understand how God dealt with old covenant people in different old covenants during the former Old Testament "age."

 Old Testament "history" and God's "faithfulness" in those earlier old covenants strengthens our New Testament "hope" that Christ will be "faithful" to his promises today to the new covenant "church" -- but Old Testament "history" does not reveal or furnish New Testament "doctrine."
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope" (Rom. 15:4).

Now, let's take a look at the teaching of Paul in other New Testament passages and see if Paul teaches in 2 Timothy 3:15-17 that New Testament "doctrine" is really "found" in the Old Testament, or if the apostle teaches that New Testament "doctrine" is "placed" only in the "true" New Testament of Jesus Christ in Acts 2 through Revelation 22.

 Let us remember, that all New Testament "scripture" must be interpreted in harmony with all other New Testament "scripture," and that "unclear passages" must always be interpreted in harmony with the teaching of "clear passages" on the same subject.
Paul teaches that no one today, Jew or non-Jew --especially NewTestament "Christians," can be "justified" before God in this New Testament "age" by believing and obeying the teachings or "deeds" of the Old Testament law of Moses in Exodus 20 through Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23 and John 19.
 
"Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe" (Rom. 3:20-22).

Paul teaches that no one today can be "justified" before God by the "works" of the Old Testament law of Moses, and that the "law" taught old covenant Jews that when Christ was crucified on the cross all Jews would become "dead" to the "law of Moses" -- the Old Covenant that God had made with Israel.

"Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God" (Rom. 7:4).

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified...19For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. 20I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. " (Gal. 2:16, 19-20)

We often read the scriptures without giving a lot of thought to them and how they are to be applied.

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #463 on: Mon Jan 31, 2011 - 08:15:46 »
zoonance, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

All I said was that we had many--they have the same hang ups we do because we mostly hung them up with them.

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On that we agree 100%.

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« Reply #464 on: Wed Feb 02, 2011 - 16:30:51 »

Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Understanding "all scripture is given by inspiration of God" continued

We should all remember that the historical and old covenant teaching of the old Mosaical covenant from Exodus 20 through Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23 and John 19 was not only Old Testament "doctrine" for the Jews of Israel who lived under the law of Moses from the time of Moses to the death of Christ on the cross, but the historical "background" of the Old Testament helps all Bible students today to understand how God dealt with old covenant people in different old covenants during the former Old Testament "age."

Old Testament "history" and God's "faithfulness" in those earlier old covenants strengthens our New Testament "hope" that Christ will be "faithful" to his promises today to the new covenant "church" -- but Old Testament "history" does not reveal or furnish New Testament "doctrine."
"For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope" (Rom. 15:4).

It is incredible today that brethren among "churches of Christ"do not fully understand and appreciate the biblical fact that the Old Testament "Mosaical" covenant, described and detailed in Exodus 20 through Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23 and John 19 was given only to the Jews of Old Testament Israel. The Old Testament "Mosaical" covenant was never made with any other nation or group of people except old covenant Israel; the "law of Moses" was never given to any Gentile or non-Jewish nation or group of people.
 
"And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them. 2The LORD our God made a covenant with us in Horeb. 3The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day" (Deut. 5:1-3).

Only Old Testament Jews in Israel, from the time of Moses in Exodus 20 to Christ's death on the cross, were ever "under" the jurisdiction and authority of the teaching of the old "Mosaical covenant." This means that no other nation of people were ever "under" or required to "keep" the teaching of the Old Testament "law of Moses" and the prophets .

This also means that the teaching of the Old Testament "law of Moses" by Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross (MMLJBC) -- did not apply to the non-Jews of his day in the 1st century, and because the "law" -- "ended" and was "abolished" at the cross and death of Christ -- his teaching of the "law of Moses" in MMLJBC to the "last generation" of Jews in Israel does not apply to anyone today.
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« Reply #465 on: Sat Feb 05, 2011 - 08:16:40 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,


One issue that comes up is when we hear something out of scripture we are not used to thinking about--it tends to confuse us. This portion deals with the fact that the Apostle Paul Teaches That Old Testament "Scripture" Is Not New Testament "Doctrine"

In our memorization of scripture--not many folks remember this text --2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

On the other hand just about everyone knows this one --2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

What we have not done is to learn to divide the word of God as God has done--by covenants.

Those who attempt to use 2 Timothy 3:15-17 to teach that "all" (or even some) Old Testament scripture is "profitable" as New Testament "doctrine," contradict and deny what Paul really teaches in clear New Testament "doctrine" on this question.

Notice how Paul denies such a false interpretation of 2 Timothy 3:15-17, for he declares that it is not "sound doctrine," not a doctrine or knowledge of New Testament "truth," not a doctrine or part of the "words of faith that saves," not a part of "the grace of God which saves," never a part of Paul's teaching as an inspired apostle of Jesus Christ.

"3As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine," (1 Tim. 1:3).

"10...and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust" (1 Tim. 1:10-11).

"19Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck" (1 Tim. 1:19-20).
"4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4).

"15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

"6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained...16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." (1 Tim. 4:6, 16).

"17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine" (1 Tim. 5:17).

"1Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed...3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." (1 Tim. 6:1, 3-5).

"13Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Tim. 1:13).

"2And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2).

"10But thou hast fully known my doctrine," (2 Tim. 3:10).

" 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" (2 Tim. 2:2-7).

"9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. 12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth" (Titus  1:9-14).

"10Not purloining, but showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee" (Titus 2:10-15).


Most of us have read these scriptures..but see then now in the light of Paul applying 2 Tim 3:16-17
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« Reply #466 on: Mon Feb 07, 2011 - 20:16:49 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,


One issue that comes up is when we hear something out of scripture we are not used to thinking about--it tends to confuse us. This portion deals with the fact that the Apostle Paul Teaches That Old Testament "Scripture" Is Not New Testament "Doctrine"

In our memorization of scripture--not many folks remember this text --2Ti 2:15  Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

On the other hand just about everyone knows this one --2Ti 3:16  All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 2Ti 3:17  That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

What we have not done is to learn to divide the word of God as God has done--by covenants.

Those who attempt to use 2 Timothy 3:15-17 to teach that "all" (or even some) Old Testament scripture is "profitable" as New Testament "doctrine," contradict and deny what Paul really teaches in clear New Testament "doctrine" on this question.

Notice how Paul denies such a false interpretation of 2 Timothy 3:15-17, for he declares that it is not "sound doctrine," not a doctrine or knowledge of New Testament "truth," not a doctrine or part of the "words of faith that saves," not a part of "the grace of God which saves," never a part of Paul's teaching as an inspired apostle of Jesus Christ.

"3As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine," (1 Tim. 1:3).

"10...and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust" (1 Tim. 1:10-11).

"19Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck" (1 Tim. 1:19-20).
"4Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4).

"15But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth" (1 Tim. 3:15).

"6If thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things, thou shalt be a good minister of Jesus Christ, nourished up in the words of faith and of good doctrine, whereunto thou hast attained...16Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee." (1 Tim. 4:6, 16).

"17Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine" (1 Tim. 5:17).

"1Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed...3If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; 4He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself." (1 Tim. 6:1, 3-5).

"13Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus." (2 Tim. 1:13).

"2And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also" (2 Tim. 2:2).

"10But thou hast fully known my doctrine," (2 Tim. 3:10).

" 2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry. 6For I am now ready to be offered, and the time of my departure is at hand. 7I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:" (2 Tim. 2:2-7).

"9Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers. 10For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: 11Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake. 12One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies. 13This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth" (Titus  1:9-14).

"10Not purloining, but showing all good fidelity; that they may adorn the doctrine of God our Saviour in all things.11For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; 13Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee" (Titus 2:10-15).


Most of us have read these scriptures..but see then now in the light of Paul applying 2 Tim 3:16-17
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Have you actually read Paul's second letter to Timothy in its entirety in one setting as one would read a letter?  Paul didn't cut and paste himself.

Modified:  My apologies.  Have you read any of Paul's letters, perhaps especially the pastoral epistles, in their entirety in one setting as one would read a letter?   I have to go with Paul's own words and definitions and points he was making.

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #467 on: Tue Feb 08, 2011 - 22:20:20 »
Zoonance, greetings in Christ from very much colder Texas where the snow is getting closer,

Bible Study by its nature ought to begin with a verse and then working outward from there--seeking first what the author states in other places and then what other authors have to say.  It is enlightning and helpful. Actually, I often start with just a word and do this--but that is just me.

Using your approach folks somehow seem to miss to whom eph 5:19 is written to..Ever notice that?

On the other hand, there is to be said something for taking the whole forest at one setting.

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« Reply #468 on: Wed Feb 09, 2011 - 12:33:11 »

Greetings in Christ from very chilly but sunny Texas,
Continuing on--

Neither Paul Nor Any Other New Testament Apostle Taught
That Old Testament Scripture Was "Profitable" As New Testament "Doctrine"

When certain Jewish "Christians" in Acts 15 tried to "bind" Old Testament "circumcision" and "keeping of the law of Moses" on the Gentile "Christians" of the 1st century, the apostles quickly commanded them to cease teaching such an erroneous doctrine. This apostolic command is binding on the New Testament "church" today.

"5But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. 6And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. 7And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. 8And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. 10Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? 11But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they...23And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: 24Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment" (Acts 15:5-11, 23-24).

The apostles declared that any attempt to "bind" the Old Testament "law of Moses" taught by Christ in MMLJBC on New Testament "Christians" in the 1st century would "subvert" their souls.

 The same is true in this 21st century, any attempt by "gospel preachers" or elders among "churches of Christ" to "bind" the "law of Moses" taught by Christ in MMLJBC on New Testament "Christians" today -- will sabotage, wreck and "subvert" the souls of these "brethren."


Why is the Old Testament "law of Moses" -- including the "ten commandments" not valid today? Why is the Old Testament "Mosaical" covenant not "in force" today? Because when Christ died on the cross, he "ended," "abolished," "nailed" the law to his cross and forever "took away" the old covenant between God and Israel.

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth" (Rom. 10:4) .

"Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. 7But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:...12Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: 13And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ" (2 Cor. 6-7, 12-14).

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" (Col. 2:14).
"9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first (covenant), that he may establish the second(covenant). 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all" (Heb. 10:9-10). Scooby added (covenant) here.

To grasp when the new Covenant actually began--when was the will probated?

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #469 on: Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 20:03:09 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

What we need to grasp here isthe following:  Old Testament "Principles" Are Not New Testament "Doctrine"  But once again we need to understand--folks don't understand the difference between the two.

There is the denominational "theory" today that promotes the doctrinal error that somehow certain selective Old Testament "principles" are New Testament "doctrine." Nothing could be further from the New Testament "truth" of Jesus Christ! Also there seem to be some of us who also tend to think along those lines.

Many will teach that "all" of the Old Testament "Ten Commandments" --except one, the fourth commandment to observe the sabbath are brought over into the New Testament and can serve as "guidons" for New Covenant "Christians."

Not so, for as this study proves the New Testament of Jesus Christ "forbids" new covenant children of God in the New Testament "church" from using any Old Testament teaching as New Testament "doctrine."

Many will take passages from the Old Testament law of Moses such as Psalms 23 and teach thatNew Testament "Christians" can certainly use this verse for comfort and help. Not so, for Jesus Christ is not even mentioned or referred to in Psalms 23.

The "Lord" in this passage refers to Jehovah God, the Father of Old Testament Israel. Psalms 23 related to Old Testament Israel only; it did not refer to New Testament "Christians." Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was not revealed to or known in Old Testament Israel at the time of Psalms 23. 

Jesus Christ was still 1000 years in the future at the time of Psalms 23.

The same is true with the "principles" of "the sermon on the mount" in Matthew, chapters 5 through 7. This Old Testament teaching of the law of Moses by Christ, the old covenant Messiah sent to "only" Old Testament Israel was not New Testament "doctrine" in the 1st century , and it is not New Testament "doctrine" in this 21st century.

Christ's teaching in "the sermon on the mount" was addressed only to Old Testament Israel, those old covenant children of God that could call Jehovah "Father" (Matt. 5:16); those who were under the old covenant  jurisdiction of "the law and the prophets" (Matt. 7:12). No, according to the New Testament, Old Testament "principles" of the law of Moses have never been New Testament "doctrine."

All New Testament "Doctrine" Is "Revealed" And "Found" In The New Testament Of Jesus Christ In Acts 2 Through Revelation 22.

While there are hundreds of other New Testament passages that describe in great detail the "end" of the Old Testament law of Moses at the cross of Christ, the above should be sufficient to convince any honest Bible student that the old covenant "law" is no longer "in force" or "applicable" to anyone today in this new covenant "age."

Therefore, it is clear from the teaching of the New Testament that "All Scripture..." of the Old Testament is not "profitable for New Testament "doctrine."  Once we preceive this--We can be better bible students.

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #470 on: Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 20:44:12 »
Zoonance, greetings in Christ from very much colder Texas where the snow is getting closer,

Bible Study by its nature ought to begin with a verse and then working outward from there--seeking first what the author states in other places and then what other authors have to say.  It is enlightning and helpful. Actually, I often start with just a word and do this--but that is just me.

Using your approach folks somehow seem to miss to whom eph 5:19 is written to..Ever notice that?

On the other hand, there is to be said something for taking the whole forest at one setting.

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You mean it was written to the church of Efesus?  How in the world would anybody miss that?  ::pondering:: ::whistle::

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« Reply #471 on: Wed Feb 16, 2011 - 21:19:52 »
Zoonance, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

you said--You mean it was written to the church of Efesus?  How in the world would anybody miss that?

it must be that we are being  ::mobbed:: by some new and wierd translation.

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« Reply #472 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 18:30:23 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

New Testament "Doctrine" Is "Revealed" And "Found" Only In New Testament "Scripture"

For those within the churches of Christ--I looked at many many plans of salvation that are taught and If you took out the one to two references to scriptures prior to the cross--The plan in all cases remains intact.  In other words most of us are using  scriptures found in the new covenant when we teach salvation--and we probably do not even think about it.

Just as Old Testament "doctrine" for the Patriarchal and Mosaical ages is found only in Old Testament "scripture" in Genesis 1 through John 19, New Testament "doctrine" is revealed and found only in New Testament "scripture" in Acts 2 through Revelation 22. New Testament "doctrine" is not "revealed" or "found" in Old Testament "scripture."

All New Testament "doctrine" is "revealed" by Christ and the Holy Spirit to the apostles as "prophesied" in John 16:13and found in the New Testament "scriptures" of the "the apostles' doctrine" of Acts 2 through Revelation 22.

"13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come" (John 16:13).

"42And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers" (Acts 2:42).
   


All New Testament "doctrine" is "revealed" and "found" in the new covenant revealed by the Holy Spirit and given to the apostles, beginning in Acts 2 --after the death, burial and resurrection of Christ .
"16For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth" (Heb. 9:16-17).



All New Testament "doctrine" is "revealed" and "found" in the "better covenant" of Jesus Christ revealed in Acts 2 through Revelation 22.
 
"6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises" (Heb. 8:6).

"24And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel" (Heb. 12:24).


All New Testament "doctrine" is "revealed" and "found" in the "eye-witness testimony" of "the apostles doctrine" revealed in Acts 2 through Revelation 22.

"33And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all." (Acts 4:33).

"1And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God. 2For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. 3And I was with you in weakness, and in fear, and in much trembling. 4And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: 5That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God" (1 Cor. 2:1-5).

"10When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day" (2 Thess. 2:10).

"1The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed" (1 Pet. 5:1).
   


These scriptures we have always had..but learning to see them is not so easy.

Scooby ::reading::

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #473 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 18:54:21 »
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Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was not revealed to or known in Old Testament Israel at the time of Psalms 23.

Jesus Christ was still 1000 years in the future at the time of Psalms 23.
This reflects a very poor Christology and borders on heresy IMHO. Jesus Christ is eternally God the Son and is revealed in the Old Testament in many places- Psalm 2, Psalm 22, Isaiah 7:14,Isaiah9:6, Isaiah 52:13-53:12, Daniel 9:24-27,Zechariah 13:6-7 to list a very few for starters.

Peter preached- "To Him all the prophets witness that, through His name, whoever believes in Him will receive remission of sins.

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« Reply #474 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 22:11:52 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

I went back and re read what I stated about the 23 psalm--I tried to word it accurately and I think I have

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #475 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 22:31:28 »
Greetings in aChrist from sunny Texas,

you stated--There is so much to unravel in your misinterpretations of the nature of God's covenants, law, grace, salvation, Christ, marriage, divorce, etc...that I know that you would not be interested in listening to me try.The graceless false doctrine believed by many in our faith heritage does not need to be countered with a twisting of some NT doctrine to ignore the rest of God's revelation.
  
Two or three things

[1] I have via scripture clearly defined the nature of covenants and who is governed by which
[2] Those who teach the traditional view cannot abide covenants..but then they are inaccurate in their application of marriage, divorce and remarriage--
[3] In fact, when MDR is questioned--all the ears close up--believing that the traditional view is correct.  It is an erronious doctrine which began in 598-604-5 in the Roman Catholic Church AND-it had absolutely and totally nothing to do with marriage, divorce and remarriage.

In order to grasp covenants--about ten years give or take a little to work out the problems. Most folks here have not been exposed to covenant teaching and did not know that it existed..But it does and it has.

I have some folks who are getting it after a year or so of a lot of study.   And, it would be a mistake to believe that I am the only one teaching on this--Or that I am the first one.  Karl Ketcherside--has a real grasp of covenants that most folks did not catch and they should because he has a good grasp.   In fact, his definition of the Mosaic covenant--while takes a bit of thinking--I am beginning to believe to be accurate which most folks today would reject outright.

I actually am beginning to think I understand somewhat the arrorance of the Jewish leadership for it is somewhat similar to many on MDR.

Let me give you some food for thought--Something you can do if you are very honest with yourself.

Take your time and explain to yourself what the word "new" means in "New Covenant"  God is much more forgiving than man is with MDR.

Example--a man and a woman have according to our laws been legally married and divorced twice. Their marriage makes their third for each of them.  None of the divorces was for adultery.

Now, these two people have the gospel preached to them and they obey it--Do you understand what the word "new" means in this situation for these two folks??  Personally from prior discussions I think you do..

For you it is just a matter of understanding when  in scripture the first covenant ended.  

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #476 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 22:31:58 »
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The "Lord" in this passage refers to Jehovah God, the Father of Old Testament Israel. Psalms 23 related to Old Testament Israel only; it did not refer to New Testament "Christians." Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was not revealed to or known in Old Testament Israel at the time of Psalms 23.

Jesus Christ was still 1000 years in the future at the time of Psalms 23.
What does the bible really say?
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Psalm 110:1  A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
110:2  The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies.
 110:3  Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth.
 110:4  The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.
 110:5  The Lord at thy right hand shall strike through kings in the day of his wrath.
 110:6  He shall judge among the heathen, he shall fill the places with the dead bodies; he shall wound the heads over many countries.
 110:7  He shall drink of the brook in the way: therefore shall he lift up the head.
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Psalm 2:1  Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
2:2  The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
 2:3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
 2:4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
 2:5  Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
 2:6  Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
 2:7  I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
 2:8  Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
 2:9  Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
 2:10  Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
 2:11  Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
 2:12  Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

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I actually am beginning to think I understand somewhat the arrorance of the Jewish leadership for it is somewhat similar to yours on MDR.
My oh my! I never have even given you my views on MDR- only a link to what John McArthur taught ::frown::

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« Reply #478 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 22:54:29 »
David, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Here is how I have more than a clue--I simply read your responses--why don't you go back and do that and see If you have not said a lot about it. One quick clue--you do not believe that remarriage is the unforgivable sin..and there is more.

Have a great Lord's Day tomorrow
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« Reply #479 on: Sat Feb 19, 2011 - 23:11:50 »
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Here is how I have more than a clue--I simply read your responses--why don't you go back and do that and see If you have not said a lot about it. One quick clue--you do not believe that remarriage is the unforgivable sin..and there is more.
This is true brother-I certainly do not believe that remarriage is the unforgivable sin.However I have not delineated my views on MDR here-but I have stated that we can not dispensationalize away the words of our Lord on this topic. Covenant distinctions are important but we need to realize that there is a unity of scriptures that must be recognized-your approach to this topic I believe is fundamentally misguided- though I would be the first to admit that the strange legalistic perversions that upset you from brethren who are telling couples that they have to return to former spouses before being baptised and other such foolishness must be countered with sound teaching.

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« Reply #480 on: Sun Feb 20, 2011 - 17:18:01 »
David, greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Can we allow God to do His job?  God has provided all that is needed in each covenant--for man do accomplish what God wants. Much of the law in God's law of sin and of death--prior to the Mosaic law and prior to the law of Christ contain many of the same laws that both later covenants have.

But God makes that decision not us--The laws of America are very similiar to those of England--yet each set of laws only apply to those under each covenant law of each nation.

There is a covenant law in the garden that has no validity today--The Mosaic law has no validity today. Only God's moral law of sin and of death that God uses to judge the lost and the law of Christ which protects Christians.

Scooby  ::priest:: of the most high God
 

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« Reply #481 on: Sun Feb 27, 2011 - 18:15:01 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

Up to a couple of days ago--I believed that I had given enough information here for each to give some consideration as to the need and the correctness of studying the scriptures by covenants. And as such was moving on to other places

I was visiting with Dan Billingsly and we were discussing the material here and he had a suggestion. After some reflection and thought--I agreed with Dan.  I do not believe that most of the folks reading this know or understand what has happened to our bible throughout the years.  So, with Dan's suggestion and permission--I am going to share his research with you. Consider it carefully.

Part one
THE ROMAN CATHOLIC NEW TESTAMENT "TITLE PAGE" -­-- THE MOST MISUNDERSTOOD "PAGE" IN THE BIBLE

Although the Bible continues to be the best selling book in America, and while today Bible study and interest in religion may represent an all-time high, unfortunately today's confusion and division in so-called denominational "Christianity" also continues to show the Bible to be the most misunderstood book in the world.

Seeing this is the case, we ask, why do people misunderstand the Bible? Can we come to know the basic cause of this misunderstanding, confusion and division over the Bible?

Yes, it is possible to uncover the primary cause of the misunderstanding, point the way for all to have a greater knowledge of the Bible, and unite all believers in the true New Testament faith of Christ. We must all begin to study the Bible -- not by individual "verses" or "topics" as do denominational preachers and churches -- but by whole or complete covenants.

After many years of studying denominational creeds and the emphasis of denominational preaching that has caused such enormous doctrinal divisions, it is evident that one of the primary causes for misunderstanding the Bible is the failure to scripturally understand where the Old Testament Mosaical covenant age, authority and teaching of the law of Moses "ends" in Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23 and John 19, and where the New Testament age and new covenant teaching of Christ "begins" in Acts 2 through Revelation 22.

Unfortunately, and contrary to the teaching of both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible, the majority of denominations (and "traditionalists" among New Testament churches of Christ) have accepted the book of Malachi as the "end" of the Old Testament age and the book of Matthew as the "beginning" of the New Testament age.

Many have never understood that the four Old Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John --before the cross (MMLJBC) -- not the book of Malachi, describe the "end" of the Old Testament Mosaical age. MMLJBC do not describe the beginning of the New Testament age.

Millions have never learned that only Acts, chapter 2, marks the "beginning" of the New Testament age and revelation of new covenant doctrine. As a result of this error in dividing between the books of the Old and New Testaments, millions have misinterpreted and misunderstood Christ's teaching of the Old Testament law of Moses in MMLJBC as new covenant teaching.
 
The failure to understand this critical point of the difference between the Old and New Testaments, where the Old "ended" and where the New "began," has caused millions among the denominations to build their faith and hopes erroneously upon the teaching of the law of Moses by Christ in the four Old Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross, rather than on the true New Testament doctrine as revealed by Christ and the apostles in Acts 2 through Revelation 22.

Why have so many misunderstood the old covenant age of the four Old Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross? Why have so many misunderstood the difference in between the Old and New Testaments and where the New Testament really "begins"?

Millions of people have misunderstood the Bible because they have been misled by the erroneous Roman Catholic "title page" of the New Testament --the page arbitrarily placed between the books of Malachi and Matthew by Roman Catholics in 1486 AD.
This uninspired "title page" has unscripturally marked a false division between the Old and New Testaments for 500 years. This means that millions have been using a false "end" to the Old Testament and a false "beginning" for the New Testament.

Most people could understand from their study of the Bible that the Old Testament Mosaical age "ended" with the death of Christ on the cross as recorded in Matthew 27, Mark 15, Luke 23 and John 19 -- and that the New Testament age began in Acts 2 by just studying the Scriptures -- if the Roman Catholic and Protestant New Testament "title page" did not confuse and mislead them.
This being true, let us ask, when and by whose authority was the Roman Catholic New Testament "title page"unscripturally placed between the books of Malachi and Matthew?


We should know that the present Roman Catholic "title page" of the New Testament is not a part of the original Scriptures. It was not placed in the Bible by God, the Holy Spirit, Christ or the inspired apostles -- it was arbitrarily placed in the Bible by the uninspired Roman Catholic church .

It is a "page" placed in the Bible by Roman Catholics in 1486 AD at the outbreak of the Protestant Reformation. Is it possible that this was an intentional Roman Catholic fraud perpetrated on the Protestant world to confuse and mislead their "doctrinal reformation" against Catholicism? Did Rome think that if the Protestants followed the misleading and doctrinally wrong New Testament "title page" between Malachi and Matthew, that   the Protestant Reformation would never be able to understand or teach the true New Testament of Christ revealed in Acts 2 through Revelation 22?

If so, the Roman Catholics have succeeded, for all Protestant churches now believe and teach that the book of Matthew marks the "beginning" of the New Testament age.

Scooby  ::priest:: of the most high God
ps. indirectly, this information is taking a real bite out of the traditional view of MDR






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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #482 on: Tue Mar 01, 2011 - 18:26:41 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
Again, I remind the reader that I am sharing the study that Dan Billingsly has done on this particular subject. To date I have not seen anything that even remotely comes close to sharing this type and kind of information. enjoy!!

Before 1486 AD, the Roman Catholic church declared itself to be the only official custodian of the Bible. They protected the Bible by chaining it to the pulpits of the Roman church. The clerics prevented the Bible from falling into the hands of the common people by translating the sixty-six books of the Bible into only the Latin language, the official mass and priestly language of Roman Catholicism. This was a language totally unknown to common people of that time.

This Roman Catholic doctrinal "heresy" of the New Testament "title page" has been perpetuated by modern Protestant denominational translators and commercial printers for 500 years. Today, rather than following the true New Testament of Jesus Christ in Acts 2 through Revelation 22, millions have been misled by the Roman Catholic New Testament "title page" and by Protestant translators and publishers who continue to perpetuate this error in their printing of modern Protestant Bibles.

This Roman Catholic "heresy" in organizing the sixty-six books of the Bible by unscripturally placing  Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament age -- rather than in the Old Testament age where biblical history, the teaching of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the apostles and the doctrine of both the Old and New Testaments place them -- is the primary cause today of the misunderstanding of the Bible and religious division among Bible believers.

The New Testament "title page" in our modern Bibles does not scripturally divide between the Old and New Testaments. Malachi is not the last book or "end" of the Old Testament age, teaching of the old Mosaical law of Moses and practice of the old covenant religion of Israel.

Matthew is not the first book of the New Testament; Matthew does not mark the "beginning" of the New Testament age, revelation of New Testament doctrine, preaching of the New Testament "gospel" of Christ, or establishment of the new covenant church and worship. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John describe the last thirty-three years of the Old Testament age, with John the Baptist and Jesus Christ as the last two Old Testament prophets that God sent to Israel. Only Acts 2 describes the beginning of the New Testament age and first revelation of new covenant doctrine.

Letters From Biblical Manuscript Authorities

The following quotations from recognized biblical manuscript authorities on the "text" and "canon" (books of the Bible) show clearly that the New Testament "title page" -- the page that divides between the books of Malachi and Matthew, the Old and New Testaments -- in our modern Bibles, was first placed in the Bible by Roman Catholic sectarian "translators" and " publishers" and was first printed by Pruss of Strassburg in 1486 AD.

These quotations also show that from the time of the inspired new covenant apostles in the 1st century to 1486, there was no "inspired" or "apostolic" division "authorized" between the books of Malachi and Matthew.

No New Testament "Title Page" Before 1486 AD HARDING GRADUATE SCHOOL OF RELIGION, Memphis, TN "Dear brother Billingsly, the sort of information I understood you to be looking for is likely to be found in the set:

T.E. DARLOW and H.F. MOULE, Historical Catalogue Of Printed Editions Of Holy Scripture. It appears that the Gutenberg Bible (1455) did not have a 'title page.' Our copies of the Sinaiticus (4th century) and Alexandrius (5th century) do not have a New Testament 'title page.'" Jack Lewis, Professor of Bible

Roman Catholic Church Admits No New Testament "Title Page" Before 1486 AD
BIBLIOTECA APOSTOLICA VATICANA, Vatican City, Rome, Italy

"Dear Mr. Billingsly, With regard to when the title-page was inserted between 2 Maccabees and the beginning of
the Gospel according to Matthew, I call your attention to p. 421 of The Camridge History Of The Bible, Vol. 3,
it states: 'In 1486 Pruss of Strassburg printed the first Bible with a "title page.'"
Rev. William J. Sheehan, C.S.B.

No New Testament "Title Page" In Oldest Manuscripts Of The Greek Bible
BRITISH MUSEUM/LIBRARY, DEPARTMENT OF MANUSCRIPTS, London, England
"Dear Sir, The oldest manuscripts of the Greek Bible were not produced with such a title-page at the beginning
of St. Matthew's Gospel as we find in our modern printed editions."
Dr. Scott McKendrick, Curator of Biblical Manuscripts

The First Known Example Of The New Testament "Title Page"Was In 1486 AD
AMERICAN BIBLE SOCIETY, New York City, N.Y.

"Dear Mr. Billingsly, The first printed edition of the Bible wa a copy of the Latin Vulgate printed about 1455 by
Johan Gutenberg. Following traditional usage, it had neither title pages nor page numbers, and the books of the
Bible with their traditional introductory prefaces were printed in continuous sequence. The first known example
of a title page is the 1486 edition of the bible in Latin published by Pruss of Strassburg, which carried the words
'Textus Biblie.'"
Erroll F. Rhodes, Assistant Director, Bible Study Helps

The "Authority" For The Insertion Of The New Testament "Title Page" Was That Of The Printer
OKLAHOMA CHRISTIAN UNIVERSITY, Oklahoma City, OK

"Dear brother Billingsly, The first "title page" to the Bible was added in 1486 to a Latin Bible published by Pruss
of Strassburg...The authority for its insertion was that of the printer."
Curt Niccum, College of Biblical Studies

Of course, this Roman Catholic and Protestant "title page" error is not true to the teaching of either the Old or New Testaments. As a result, the present erroneous and sectarian Roman Catholic New Testament "title page" has created a false impression and misunderstanding of the Bible in the minds of countless people.

No Old Testament Patriarchal Or Mosaical "Title Page"

There is no Old Testament Patriarchal "title page" before the book of Genesis, and there is no Old Testament "title page" that separates the Old Testament Patriarchal and Mosaical ages between Exodus, chapters 19 and 20 to mislead today's Bible students. Therefore, few today have difficulty understanding where the old Patriarchal covenant age "ended" (Exodus 19) and when the old Mosaical covenant age "began" (Exodus 20). As a result, few Bible students have any difficulty understanding the Old Testament nature of those two different old covenants and applying the teaching to only the people with whom God made those covenants.

The "Canon" (Books) Of The New Testament

The inspiration, revelation, original written manuscripts and subsequent books of the New Testament "canon" were authorized and established by Christ and the Holy Spirit through the apostles in the New Testament church of the 1st century.
The authority for establishing the original books of the New Testament was not given to the heretics and apostate sectarian Roman Catholic church of the "dark ages" from the 2nd to 15th centuries.

What does the word "canon" mean, how is it defined? Here is Webster's definition and usage of the word "canon." (Incidently, this word is not in the Old or New Testament.) "canon: 1 n. 1. an ecclesiastical rule or law enacted by a council or other competent authority and, in the Roman Catholic Church, approved by the pope. 2. the body of ecclesiastical law. 3. a body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding, esp. in a field of study or art. 4. a principle, rule, or standard: the canons of good behavior. 5. the books of the Bible recognized by any Christian church as genuine and inspired. 6. any officially recognized set of sacred books. 7. any comprehensive list of books within a field. 8.the works of an author that have been accepted as authentic. 9. the list of saints acknowledged by the Roman Catholic Church. 10. the part of the mass between theSanctus and the communion. "

The divine authority of Christ, the Holy Spirit and the apostles, as seen in the teaching of the New Testament, is the seal, validation and heaven's "stamp of approval" for the scriptural division of the books that constitute both the Old and New Testaments. The divine authority for determining the place of each book of the Bible is estabilished in and by the covenant age and inspired teaching of each book -- not by a 2nd century "heretic" or in some phoney "council" of an apostate church in Rome.

Simply stated, the covenant or testament to which each book of the Bible belongs is established by the inspired teaching within each book. The teaching of each book in the Bible determines the covenant to which that book belongs.

And, that is what I have been saying and not just myself and Dan, but many many others are started looking and studying on this subject--

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #483 on: Thu Mar 03, 2011 - 10:09:50 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

As we continue sharing the reseach of Dan Billingsly we can begin to get a glimpse of events that shape why and how we see the New Testament wrongly and how it happened.

Before 1486 AD, the Roman Catholic church declared itself to be the only official custodian of the Bible.
They protected the Bible by chaining it to the pulpits of the Roman church. The clerics prevented the Bible from falling into the hands of the common people by translating the sixty-six books of the Bible into only the Latin language, the official mass and priestly language of Roman Catholicism. This was a language totally unknown to common people of that time.

This Roman Catholic doctrinal "heresy" of the New Testament "title page" has been perpetuated by modern Protestant denominational translators and commercial printers for 500 years.

Today, rather than following the true New Testament of Jesus Christ in Acts 2 through Revelation 22, millions have been misled by the Roman Catholic New Testament "title page" and by Protestant translators and publishers who continue to perpetuate this error in their printing of modern Protestant Bibles.

This Roman Catholic "heresy" in organizing the sixty-six books of the Bible by unscripturally placing  Matthew, Mark, Luke and John in the New Testament age -- rather than in the Old Testament age where biblical history, the teaching of Christ, the Holy Spirit, the apostles and the doctrine of both the Old and New Testaments place them -- is the primary cause today of the misunderstanding of the Bible and religious division among Bible believers.

The New Testament "title page" in our modern Bibles does not scripturally divide between the Old and New Testaments. Malachi is not the last book or "end" of the Old Testament age, teaching of the old Mosaical law of Moses and practice of the old covenant religion of Israel.

 Matthew is not the first book of the New Testament; Matthew does not mark the "beginning" of the New Testament age, revelation ofNew Testament doctrine, preaching of the New Testament "gospel" of Christ, or establishment of the new covenant church and worship. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John describe the last thirty-three years of the Old Testament age, with John the Baptist and Jesus Christ as the last two Old Testament prophets that God sent to Israel.

Only Acts 2 describes the beginning of the New Testament age and first revelation of new covenant doctrine.
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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #484 on: Fri Mar 04, 2011 - 14:16:24 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
Continuing on with the research from Dan Billingsly--I hope you find it enlightening.

Why Don't Jews Accept MMLJBC As Old Testament Books?

Some ask, "If MMLJBC belong to the Old Testament, then why don't the Jews accept these four books as part of the Old Testament?"

In reaffirming the "canon" of the Hebrew Old Testament late in the 1st century, after the traumatic mission of Christ to Israel, the rejection of their Messiah and his crucifixion, and after the destruction of Jerusalem by the Roman Empire in AD 70 as prophesied by the Messiah, the humiliated and defeated Jews fanatically refused to have any connection with the mission and work of Christ as described in MMLJBC.

The Hebrew Old Testament prophesied many times that the "last generation" of Jews in Israel would totally reject Christ as God's annointed prophet. Christ the Messiah, the last prophet that God would ever send to Israel, echoed the same sentiment of the former prophets. "But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation" (Luke 17:25; see also Mk. 6:3; Lk. 4:28-29; Jn. 1:11; 12:48).

The "last generation" of Old Testament Jews, and every subsequent generation to this 21st century, has rejected MMLJBC as the final books describing the "end" of Israel and the Old Testament law of Moses for the same reasons that they rejected Christ.

To recognize Christ and his teaching that his mission was to bring Old Testament Israel to her prophesied "end" (Rom. 10:4), and to "abolish" forever the coveted "law of Moses" was something that unbelieving Jews have never accepted.

During a recent religious "talk show" in Dallas, Texas, a Protestant preacher asked the Jewish Rabbi, "Rabbi, why don't you believe in Christ and the New Testament?" The Rabbi replied, "Because it would mean the end of Israel and the Old Testament!"

No generation of Jews have ever accepted MMLJBC as part of the Old Testament for the same reasons they have never accepted Christ as the Messiah and his work as the "end" of Israel.
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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #485 on: Fri Mar 04, 2011 - 14:23:51 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

This is probably more interesting--

Why Were MMLJBC Written?
According to the teaching of both the Old and New Testaments, MMLJBC were written to describe the last thirty-three years and "end" of the old Mosaical covenant and law of Moses that God made with and gave to Israel, they were not written to describe the "beginning" of the New Testament age and revelation of new covenant doctrine.

1. MMLJBC were written to show the "fulfillment" of Jeremiah's Old Testament prophecy that God would "end" his old covenant and the law of Moses with Israel, and make a new covenant through Christ for the Jews (Jer. 31:31-33). "31Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—32not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. 33But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people" (Jer. 31:31-33).

2.MMLJBC were written to show that Christ was the "end" of the law of Moses by his death on the cross

(Rom. 10:1-4). "1Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved. 2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. 3For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth." 3.

MMLJBC were written to show that all Jews became "dead to the law" by the body of Christ on the cross (Rom. 7:4). "4Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. "

4. MMLJBC were written to show that Christ "nailed" the law of Moses to his cross (Col. 2:14). "14Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"

5. MMLJBC were written to show that Christ "abolished" the Old Testament law of Moses by the offering of his body on the cross (Eph. 2:15-16). "15Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace; 16And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:"

6.MMLJBC were written to show that Christ "abolished" God's Old Covenant with Israel (2 Cor. 3:13-14). "13And not as Moses, which put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished: 14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same veil untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which veil is done away in Christ."

7.MMLJBC were written to show that Christ "took away" the Old Covenant with Israel that he might establish the New Covenant with the church (Heb. 10:9-10). "9Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

I don't know a lot of folks who have given this a lot of thought.

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Re: Why study the scriptures by covenants?
« Reply #486 on: Sun Mar 06, 2011 - 13:29:27 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,
 Questions As To "When" And "Why MMLJBC Were Written by Dan Billingsly

What about Christ, didn’t he write the New Testament during his lifetime in MMLJBC? ANSWER: No. According to the Scriptures, the New Testament was a part of the divine scheme of redemption that was purposed, planned and written in heaven before the foundations of the earth were laid and before the creation of the world.

Ephesians 1:3-4 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

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« Reply #487 on: Mon Mar 07, 2011 - 10:54:22 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

We are continuing to look at the research done by Dan Billingsly on the title page of the New Testament.

Understanding The Old And New Testaments you might want to get a cup of coffee and think about this for a bit.

The misguided and false teachers of Roman Catholicism and the Protestant denominational world, have never understood that the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross -- show John and Jesus as God's last two old covenant prophets sent to Israel and teaching only the law of Moses to the Jews of Israel. 

John, Jesus and their Jewish disciples under the old Mosaical covenant were not New Testament evangelists establishing the historical and doctrinal new covenant age and revealing New Testament teaching during the time of MMLJBC.

Again, many have never understood that the teaching of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross -- not the book of Malachi -- describe the last thirty-three years of the Old Testament Mosaical age and  "end" of the Old Testament.

Because of the confusion caused by the erroneous Roman Catholic and Protestant "title page" and faulty arrangement of the sixty-six books of the Bible, most people who study the Scriptures today have never grasped the Old Testament historical and covenant age of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross.
 
In their efforts to "believe" and "follow" Christ, sectarian churches have unwittingly placed their futile faith and hope in Christ's teachings of the Old Mosaical covenant under which he lived and taught -- rather than in the true faith and examples of his New Testament teachings for this age as revealed through "the apostles' doctrine" in Acts 2 through Revelation 22.

 Millions have never understood that it was not the birth of Christ -- but his death on the cross -- that brought the Old Testament age to an "end" (Rom. 10:4; Col. 2:14).

Since 1486, both the Roman Catholic church and the Protestant world have misled millions into believing that Malachi marked the "end" of the Old Testament age, and that John and Jesus established the New Testament age in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John --before the cross .

As a result, they believe that all the teaching, examples, and practice of religion in the Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross -- is to be followed as New Testament teaching today.

These Catholic and Protestant sectarian churches do not understand that they have established their  theology on the conditions for faith and salvation in the teachings of the Old Testament Mosaical covenant law of Moses taught by Christ in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross -- rather than the teaching of Christ through his apostles in Acts 2 through Revelation 22 for this New Testament age.

Many denominations -- believe and teach -- that to "follow" Christ today they must practice John's old covenant baptism, keep the Sabbath, worship according to the law of Moses, and teach men to keep "the ten commandments" as Christ did when he lived under the law of Moses in Israel.

Few denominational people realize that the New Testament age, with the new covenant teaching of Christ revealed through in "the apostles' doctrine" in Acts 2 through Revelation 22, did not begin until after Christ's death, burial, resurrection and ascension as described in Acts, chapters 1 and 2.

Five Things We Must Learn About Matthew, Mark, Luke And John

If we are to believe in and obey the New Testament Christ today, we must learn the difference between and Old and New Testaments. We must not interpret Christ's teaching of the Old Testament law of Moses in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross (MMLJBC) -- as New Testament doctrine. Let us learn the following five biblical facts.

1. MMLJBC describe the last thirty-three years of the Old Testament Mosaical age -- rather than the beginning of the New Testament age. More than 100 times in MMLJ --before the cross --Jesus declared that he was teaching the Old Testament law of Moses.

Not once did he ever state that he was teaching New Testament doctrine. Only Acts 2 and the epistles of Romans through Revelation 22 describe new covenant faith, doctrine, establbishment of the New Testament church/kingdom and examples of Christian worship and living.

2. MMLJBC describe the mission of John and Jesus to only Old Testament Israel (Matt. 15:24; 10:5-6) for the purpose of "fulfilling" all promises and prophecies that God had made to his old covenant people.

They show John and Jesus as Old Testament prophets -- not New Testament evangelists!

3.MMLJBC record the events when John and Jesus preached the Old Testament Mosaical "gospel" or "good news" of God for Old Testament Israel (Matt. 4:17; Lk. 4:16-21).
 They declared that the Messiah had come to Israel, that the end of Israel and abolishment of the law of Moses was near (Matt. 21:43), and that God's new covenant "kingdom" was "at hand."

John and Jesus did not establish the New Testament "kingdom" on earth during their personal ministries to Israel; the new covenant church was first established by Christ through the new covenant apostles when the New Testament age began in Acts 2.


4. MMLJBC describe examples of unfaithful Jews "believing" on their Old Testament Messiah and being "restored" to God under the law of Moses.
 MMLJBC do not describe John and Jesus preaching the new covenant "gospel" to alien sinners and producing Christians in this New Testament age.

Neither John, Jesus nor their Jewish disciples during the historical age of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross -- ever preached the new covenant "gospel" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Cor. 15:1-4).

During MMLJBC, John, Jesus and their Jewish disciples were Old Testament "Israelites," not New Testament "Christians." Not once did John, Jesus or their Jewish disciples under the law of Moses -- before the cross, produce one New Testament "Christian."

5. MMLJBC show John and Jesus worshipping according to the law of Moses, commanding the offering of animal sacrifice and use of instrumental music in temple worship while the Old Testament Mosaical covenant was still in force.

MMLJBC do not show John and Jesus worshipping with the New Testament church in  this new covenant age. In fact, neither John the Baptist, Jesus Christ nor their Jewish disciples were New Testament "Christians" during the time of MMLJBC. The word "Christian" is not used nor found in MMLJBC.

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« Reply #488 on: Tue Mar 08, 2011 - 19:59:35 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

We are continuing the study done by Dan Billingsly,

Matthew, Mark, Luke And John -- Before The Cross --
-- Are The Last Books Of The Old Testament Mosaical Age --
-- Not The First Books Of The New Testament Age

The Scriptures declare that the four books of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross -- describe the last thirty-three years of the Old Testament Mosaical covenant age -- not the beginning years of the New Testament age. They tell of Jesus' birth in Israel to a Jewish family under the Mosaical covenant in the Old Testament age (Matt. 1:18-23; Gal. 4:4).

They reveal that Jesus was an Old Testament Israelite in old covenant Israel -- not a New Testament Christian in the new covenant church. MMLJBC show how Christ lived his life under the Old Testament law of Moses, practicing the religion of Israel (Matt. 8:1-4; 26:16-18), and teaching the old covenant law of Moses to those in the kingdom of Israel during the close of the Old Testament age (Matt. 7:12; Jn. 5:46-47).

All Bible students must realize that the Old Testament mission of Christ to Israel in MMLJBC was to "fulfill" all of the promises and prophecies of the old covenant concerning the Messiah, and then bring an "end " to the old Mosaical covenant -- so the new covenant age could begin.

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, and the prophets: I am not come to destroy but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled" (Matt. 5:17- 18).
After the cross, after Christ taught that he had fulfilled "all things" written of him in the law of Moses, prophets and in the psalms, it would soon be time for the New Testament age to begin (Lk. 24:44-48).

When Roman Catholics, Protestants and some Christians among churches of Christ believe that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John mark the "beginning" of the New Testament age instead of the "end" of the Old Testament age, they have been led to believe that John the baptizer and Jesus were New Testament evangelists rather than Old Testament Mosaical prophets like Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc., as the Scriptures teach (Lk. 1:16, 71-80; Deut. 18:18; Jn. 7:40).

Consequently, and contrary to the New Testament, millions have the false impression that John and Jesus -- in the old covenant Mosaical age in which they lived -- were sent to save "alien sinners" from among "all nations" rather than to only "restore --the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matt. 15:24). As a result, they have missed the important old covenant truth that John and Jesus came to Israel to restore unfaithful Israelites under the law of Moses -- not save alien sinners with the New Testament "gospel" (Matt. 17:9-13; Isa. 49:6).

All of the teaching by Christ and his Jewish disciples in MMLJ -- before the cross --(Matthew, chapters 1-27; Mark, chapters 1-15; Luke, chapters 1-23; John, chapters 1-19) describe the last thirty-three years and conclusion of the Old Testament age.
All of the teaching in the final chapters --after the cross -- (Matthew 28; Mark 16; Luke 24; John 20-21; including Acts 1) describe the fifty day period between the Old and New Testament ages.

Today, only the teaching of the true New Testament of Christ in Acts 2 through Revelation 22 -- after the cross -- describe the beginning and the first 35 years of the New Testament age. Only Acts 2 through Revelation 22 reveal the complete New Testament teaching of Christ .

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« Reply #489 on: Tue Mar 08, 2011 - 20:03:13 »
Greetings in Christ from sunny Texas,

We are continuing the study done by Dan Billingsly on covenants--,

The Cross Of Christ -- Not The Old Testament Prophet Malachi --
Marked The End Of The Old Testament Age

The book of Malachi is not the last book of the Old Testament that describes the old covenant authority and use of the law of Moses in the Old Testament Mosaical age. The Scriptures teach that by Christ's death on the cross, he -- not Malachi -- brought the Old Testament to an "end" by the cross.

"For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth" (Rom. 10:4).

Because Christ did not die on the cross and bring the Old Testament Mosaical age and law of Moses to an "end" until some 400 years after the time of Malachi, Malachi could not possibly have been the last Old Tesament prophet or "end" the Old Testament Mosaical age. The Scriptures teach that it required the coming of Jesus the Messiah, God's final prophet to Israel, and the death of Christ before the Old Testament age was "nailed" to the cross.

"Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross" (Col. 2:14).
The Scriptures also teach that it required -- not only the death of Christ -- but also his resurrection before the New Testament would come into force.

"For where te stament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men or dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth" (Heb. 9:16-17).

Jesus lived during the old Mosaical age -- before the cross, and even though he prophesied and spoke in parables of the coming of the New Testament age and the building of his church, new covenant doctrine was not revealed or in force while Jesus lived upon the earth as described in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John -- before the cross.

The "end" of the Old Testament Mosaical system was clearly defined to the Jews who were converted to Christ --after the cross --when the apostle Paul taught the following.

"Wherefore, my brethren, ye are become dead to the law by the body of Christ" (Rom. 7:4).

At the cross, Christ took the old covenant kingdom away from Israel (Matt. 21:43). He abolished the first testament when he offered up his body on the cross and shed his blood for the sins of the world (Heb. 10:9-10; see also Heb. 7:12; 8:6-10; 2 Cor. 3:1-18). Therefore, the death of Christ -- not the book of Malachi -- nor the birth of Christ -- marked the historical end of the Old Testament covenant and kingdom of Israel!

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