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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #420 on: Sat Oct 04, 2008 - 23:52:18 »
All along I thought you were saying that people should go to the closest church to where they live. 

 ???   ?

No, I don't think I have ever had that thought in my life... ::noworries::

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #421 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 10:45:42 »
What is your point?
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Brother Gary seems disappointed at the lack of church choices near his new location.  But the choice to relocate, was his own.

When I moved and bought my house six years ago, I chose the church first.  My service to God is more important than my own convenience.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #422 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 10:50:17 »
So why do you single out CoC's for this thread,

Perhaps because COC folks hang out in here?    ::nodding::

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #423 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 10:51:44 »
What is your point?


Brother Gary seems disappointed at the lack of church choices near his new location.  But the choice to relocate, was his own.

When I moved and bought my house six years ago, I chose the church first.  My service to God is more important than my own convenience.

Not disappointed.  Telling you not everyone lives where there are 15 churches in the same block all divided.  My service to God isn't dependent on a location of an assembly hall (church building).

Another question:

Has your congregation began dialog with any non-CofC churches like Baptists to integrate with?

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #424 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 11:27:50 »
Has your congregation began dialog with any non-CofC churches like Baptists to integrate with?

 ???   ?

Ummm...No, I can't say that we have.  That would require us to sacrifice a great deal of what we consider to be our sound doctrine.  And they would have to compromise some sacred principles as well.  It would be a very bad deal, all around.

Again, as I've said before, people get saved as individuals, not as groups.  And in any event, individual evangelism has already brought us a very integrated fellowship.  Not looking to get what we already have.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #425 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 12:35:42 »
Just moved, so I haven't found any groups to assemble with as of yet. 

Which was a choice, yes?

What is your point?

Brother Gary seems disappointed at the lack of church choices near his new location.  But the choice to relocate, was his own.

When I moved and bought my house six years ago, I chose the church first.  My service to God is more important than my own convenience.
Do you want a cookie? You are implying that Gary places a lower priority on service to God than you do based on where he chose to live. That's just asinine. It's also presumptuous.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #426 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 15:19:39 »
Has your congregation began dialog with any non-CofC churches like Baptists to integrate with?

 ???   ?

1.  Ummm...No, I can't say that we have.  That would require us to sacrifice a great deal of what we consider to be our sound doctrine.  And they would have to compromise some sacred principles as well.  It would be a very bad deal, all around.

I will answer what I've bulleted with an answer from you.

1- Translation: division.  And it can be overcome, if we make the decision to do so.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #427 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 16:10:54 »
You are implying that Gary places a lower priority on service to God than you do based on where he chose to live. That's just asinine. It's also presumptuous.

Only Gary knows what's inside Gary's head, and his reasons for his choices..

As for me, I simply took a pragmatic approach.

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« Reply #428 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 16:14:26 »
I will answer what I've bulleted with an answer from you.

I thought we were talking about ethnic division here.  My church has been multi-ethnic from day one, over 30 years ago.

Unity must be based upon a shared doctrine and values, not just externals.  Hence, we're not looking to merge with Baptists or Methodists.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #429 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 16:44:13 »
You are implying that Gary places a lower priority on service to God than you do based on where he chose to live. That's just asinine. It's also presumptuous.

Only Gary knows what's inside Gary's head, and his reasons for his choices..

As for me, I simply took a pragmatic approach.
You are implying that Gary places a lower priority on service to God than you do based on where he chose to live. That's just asinine. It's also presumptuous.

Only Gary knows what's inside Gary's head, and his reasons for his choices..

As for me, I simply took a pragmatic approach.
Correct! So, don't imply that he is less spiritually minded than you. I don't recall Gary giving his life story, so you don't know why he moved to his present location either.

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« Reply #430 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 17:29:33 »
Correct! So, don't imply that he is less spiritually minded than you. I don't recall Gary giving his life story, so you don't know why he moved to his present location either.

Correct!  Which is exactly why I said   

Only Gary knows what's inside Gary's head, and his reasons for his choices..

Chocolate chip, please.   ::yummy::

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #431 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 17:32:58 »
I will answer what I've bulleted with an answer from you.

I thought we were talking about ethnic division here.  My church has been multi-ethnic from day one, over 30 years ago.

Unity must be based upon a shared doctrine and values, not just externals.  Hence, we're not looking to merge with Baptists or Methodists.

So you are united with other Christians who have different ethnicities, but NOT united with other Christians who differ with you on some points of doctrine.  Hence, your congregation is not very integrated at all.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #432 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 17:51:16 »
Why stop at "Ethnic Division?"

Do not some contend that the restoration movement (RM) itself started as a wholesale Christian integration movement?

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #433 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 17:58:54 »
Why stop at "Ethnic Division?"

Do not some contend that the restoration movement (RM) itself started as a wholesale Christian integration movement?
I like the idea of integration of the sects and think you all should become anabaptists.. because I know I'm right.  ::smile:: j/k

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« Reply #434 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 18:06:36 »
Correct! So, don't imply that he is less spiritually minded than you. I don't recall Gary giving his life story, so you don't know why he moved to his present location either.

Correct!  Which is exactly why I said   

Only Gary knows what's inside Gary's head, and his reasons for his choices..

Chocolate chip, please.   ::yummy::
This post sums up your attitude throughout this thread. Apparently, you feel as if you are somehow superior because you chose an integrated church to work with and then you found a home.  Well good for you. But, the fact that you feel an urge to continually remind everyone about it is telling, isn't it?
Gary moved and then found a church. That is every bit as good spiritually as what you have done. Don't assume that your motives are superior; they're not.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #435 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 18:53:06 »
So you are united with other Christians who have different ethnicities, but NOT united with other Christians who differ with you on some points of doctrine. 

Guilty as charged.  I will not ask someone to join my church, who does not believe as the rest of us do.  Doesn't mean that either one of us is right or wrong, simply that we are following two very different paths.

I suggest that you do some research into church history, and the distinctives of the various denominations.  The doctrinal differences between the denom's are huge.
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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #436 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 18:57:01 »
1- Apparently, you feel as if you are somehow superior because you chose an integrated church to work with

Nope.  I simply followed my convictions.  And I urged everyone in here to do the same.  Please observe, I didn't ask anyone else to share my beliefs or join my church.

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« Reply #437 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 19:05:14 »
1- Apparently, you feel as if you are somehow superior because you chose an integrated church to work with

Nope.  I simply followed my convictions.  And I urged everyone in here to do the same.  Please observe, I didn't ask anyone else to share my beliefs or join my church.

No, you just said that all single race churches are sinful. To your credit, however, you recanted.

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« Reply #438 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 19:59:36 »
I did not know the integrtion for integration's sake was a requirement of an assembly. ???

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« Reply #439 on: Sun Oct 05, 2008 - 20:13:40 »
I did not know the integrtion for integration's sake was a requirement of an assembly. ???

Me either.

My church has never made a particular effort to recruit a particular mix of races.  But we ended up with it anyway, which (I believe) is a sign of effective evangelism.

Anyone can do this.
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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #440 on: Mon Oct 06, 2008 - 09:50:30 »
I have a black grandson, black nephew and a mexican grand son-in-law that go to chuch with us does that count?

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #441 on: Mon Oct 06, 2008 - 10:25:44 »
I have a black grandson, black nephew and a mexican grand son-in-law that go to chuch with us does that count?

 ::noworries::  My family is more mixed up than that.  But alas, most of them are not Christians.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #442 on: Mon Oct 06, 2008 - 11:32:54 »
In my family, admitting you have a little Irish mixed in with the English is considered mixed.  ::eek::

I'm not even aware of other European ancestory in my own line (like French, German, Italian, etc.).  Pretty much all Anglo... except for some Native American (Cherokee?) back several generations.  So, that's my claim to mixed marriages in my family history.  ::tippinghat::

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« Reply #443 on: Mon Oct 06, 2008 - 11:34:38 »
Perhaps someday, churches can be more than superficially integrated with different colors of the rainbow and different cultures, and have Christians united under Christ instead of banners like Baptist, CofC, I CofC, Methodist, etc.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #444 on: Mon Oct 06, 2008 - 11:37:45 »
At the return of Christ his church will be completely integrated.  So I guess the answer to the question in the title of this thread is yes.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #445 on: Mon Oct 06, 2008 - 12:14:07 »
Christians united under Christ instead of banners like Baptist, CofC, I CofC, Methodist, etc.

I share that vision as well.

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« Reply #446 on: Tue Oct 07, 2008 - 08:34:45 »
CNN has an article on diversity on their site...

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/wayoflife/08/04/segregated.sundays/index.html


Who was it that said that other races weren't welcome in one-race churches?

Looks like overt racism to me.  It's not even subtle.   ::disco::   They don't even pretend otherwise.  I find it interesting, that no one else has commented about this.

This time around, it's not the white folks doing the excluding.  They were perfectly willing to worship within a "black cultural setting," and even yet the black members felt threatened.  Let's not be naive about this, people.
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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #447 on: Wed Aug 26, 2009 - 14:31:23 »
I seem to have this talent for killing off  ::destroyingcomputer::  some very interesting conversations.

Anyone else have thoughts on this subject?

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #448 on: Wed Aug 26, 2009 - 20:44:14 »
A couple of weeks ago, I worshipped in a church in St. Louis (North City Church of Christ) that was the result of a merger between a black CofC and a white Christian Church in an inner city setting.  It seemed to be working well.

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Re: Will the CoC ever be integrated?
« Reply #449 on: Wed Aug 26, 2009 - 21:04:23 »
Will they ever be interrogated?

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« Reply #450 on: Thu Jul 22, 2010 - 14:15:25 »
a church in St. Louis (North City Church of Christ) that was the result of a merger between a black CofC and a white Christian Church

Marc, do you have an update as to how they're doing now?

 

     
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