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Title: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Buster D Body Crab on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 18:16:58
A notice and link just popped on my taskbar so I went to search and see what's said about this new free offer to upgrade.
Software losses, limitations on some features, and changes to how the Upgrade feature will work.  No thanks.  ::destroyingcomputer::
Has anyone here upgraded to Windows 10 yet?

 
The Verge Article (http://www.theverge.com/2015/6/1/8696949/windows-10-feature-loss)
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Rella on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 19:18:10
I honestly likely would not know what I was missing with windows 10.

Aside from searching, emails, and Grace Centered I do not do much other then Spider Solitaire....

I have Windows 7 on the desktop. Windows 7 pro on a laptop that has has a lot of issues.. the PC that is

And bought this laptop with Windows 8.  When they were pushing 8.1, a friends
tech said he did not like 8.1 but as I kept ignoring the notices... one day 8.1 was being installed all by itself , via Microsoft, and it is ok at best. (I really, really, really dislike anything 8 or 8.1)

I rather imagine 10 might do the same thing at some point. At least on one of the computers.

I am leery because they say no more Windows and if you install in the first year
the upgrade will be free.... but then I read how some may be charged annually
for something.

This stuff is all Greek to me and I will not upgrade  until at least 6 months from
the date they really offer it to all.... hoping some kinks would be worked out
by then....
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 19:33:46
I used the developers preview of 10 for a few months and rather liked it. The speed is quite impressive, but I know the drawbacks that are coming with 10. It's being offered for free to licensed owners of PCs using 7, 8, & 8.1 for 1 year after it's release this summer. 10 is said to be the last OS that MS will openly distribute, subsequent OS developments will all be done via upgrade, IOW 10, 10.1, 10.2, etc, etc. Since my circle is heavily into Computer building, I wonder how we'll be able to acquire Windows ISOs a few years from now  ::pondering::


Anyhow, I don't think for the average PC user that 10 will be a problem, but I'd wait a bit before upgrading or buying a new PC that has 10 as it's OS until MS has the initial bugs worked out.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: LexKnight on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 20:46:55
Wait, there was a Windows 9?
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 20:49:51
Since Win95, Win98, and Millennium were affectionately known as Win9X, MS decided to bypass Windows 9. 
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: LexKnight on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 21:14:53
And instead of coming up with a cool name, they get lazy and just skip a numbah? No wonder I don't like W8...
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Buster D Body Crab on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 22:09:27
Isn't kinks something that happens regularly with new Windows editions? I remember something about Win 8 was it?
My machine has Windows 7 now and I too would prefer to wait till the kinks are worked out of the new release that's now an icon on my taskbar.

Is there a way to make sure there's no auto download the likes of what Rella mentioned? Or is it just a matter of changing update settings away from auto install?


I used the developers preview of 10 for a few months and rather liked it. The speed is quite impressive, but I know the drawbacks that are coming with 10. It's being offered for free to licensed owners of PCs using 7, 8, & 8.1 for 1 year after it's release this summer. 10 is said to be the last OS that MS will openly distribute, subsequent OS developments will all be done via upgrade, IOW 10, 10.1, 10.2, etc, etc. Since my circle is heavily into Computer building, I wonder how we'll be able to acquire Windows ISOs a few years from now  ::pondering::


Anyhow, I don't think for the average PC user that 10 will be a problem, but I'd wait a bit before upgrading or buying a new PC that has 10 as it's OS until MS has the initial bugs worked out.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 22:19:46
Isn't kinks something that happens regularly with new Windows editions? I remember something about Win 8 was it?
My machine has Windows 7 now and I too would prefer to wait till the kinks are worked out of the new release that's now an icon on my taskbar.

Is there a way to make sure there's no auto download the likes of what Rella mentioned? Or is it just a matter of changing update settings away from auto install?


I used the developers preview of 10 for a few months and rather liked it. The speed is quite impressive, but I know the drawbacks that are coming with 10. It's being offered for free to licensed owners of PCs using 7, 8, & 8.1 for 1 year after it's release this summer. 10 is said to be the last OS that MS will openly distribute, subsequent OS developments will all be done via upgrade, IOW 10, 10.1, 10.2, etc, etc. Since my circle is heavily into Computer building, I wonder how we'll be able to acquire Windows ISOs a few years from now  ::pondering::


Anyhow, I don't think for the average PC user that 10 will be a problem, but I'd wait a bit before upgrading or buying a new PC that has 10 as it's OS until MS has the initial bugs worked out.


Yes, bugs are par for the course with new OSs.


Go to control panel and windows update, change the settings to "Check for updates but allow me to choose whether to download and install them", that way you can sift through the updates and disable the upgrade if it comes about. If you have troubles let me know.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Buster D Body Crab on Mon Jun 01, 2015 - 22:21:42
Isn't kinks something that happens regularly with new Windows editions? I remember something about Win 8 was it?
My machine has Windows 7 now and I too would prefer to wait till the kinks are worked out of the new release that's now an icon on my taskbar.

Is there a way to make sure there's no auto download the likes of what Rella mentioned? Or is it just a matter of changing update settings away from auto install?


I used the developers preview of 10 for a few months and rather liked it. The speed is quite impressive, but I know the drawbacks that are coming with 10. It's being offered for free to licensed owners of PCs using 7, 8, & 8.1 for 1 year after it's release this summer. 10 is said to be the last OS that MS will openly distribute, subsequent OS developments will all be done via upgrade, IOW 10, 10.1, 10.2, etc, etc. Since my circle is heavily into Computer building, I wonder how we'll be able to acquire Windows ISOs a few years from now  ::pondering::


Anyhow, I don't think for the average PC user that 10 will be a problem, but I'd wait a bit before upgrading or buying a new PC that has 10 as it's OS until MS has the initial bugs worked out.


Yes, bugs are par for the course with new OSs.


Go to control panel and windows update, change the settings to "Check for updates but allow me to choose whether to download and install them", that way you can sift through the updates and disable the upgrade if it comes about. If you have troubles let me know.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Spirit Filled on Wed Jun 24, 2015 - 08:49:40
Thank God I thought to check this before going shopping. I just got that little window thing from Windows alerting me of this upgrade through my toolbar updates tab.

Wouldn't it be an answered prayer if there was a computer you could buy that didn't have one stitch of Microsoft stuff on it?

As it is I'm not able to get the Windows Defender program to turn back on in my system. I've got Essentials going fine but Defender doesn't turn on even when I work the manual steps. And now they want to upgrade to a 10 version of windows? That's cute.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Wed Jun 24, 2015 - 13:40:25
You cannot run Defender and MSE simultaneously, they'll compete with each other hence the reason for MSE disabling Defender upon install, but if it's any consolation, the MSE database for nasties is the same as Defender, just expanded.

Windows 8 began to package MSE with the OS, rebranding it as Windows Defender. The same applies for Windows 10.

As far as MS "stuff" on your computer, none of it is invasive if you take a moment to understand the system. Setting default apps is a breeze, and it actually does work  ::smile::
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: RomanNoodles on Wed Jun 24, 2015 - 22:23:06
You could install linux if you hate yourself and like things to be complicated and not actually work or you could get a mac if you want to have high compatibility issues but ultimately Windows is probably your best option.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Texas Conservative on Wed Jun 24, 2015 - 22:32:14
You could install linux if you hate yourself and like things to be complicated and not actually work or you could get a mac if you want to have high compatibility issues but ultimately Windows is probably your best option.

I have a desktop running Linux Mint 17.  It isn't that complicated.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Wed Jun 24, 2015 - 22:37:11
You could install linux if you hate yourself and like things to be complicated and not actually work or you could get a mac if you want to have high compatibility issues but ultimately Windows is probably your best option.
I use all 3 platforms, mac for most of my video editing, Linux on my notebooks, and Windows for everyday tasks, oh and plus FreeBSD, the Unix derivative on my FreeNAS server. Each has their strengths and weaknesses.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: RomanNoodles on Thu Jun 25, 2015 - 11:13:13
If you like Linux that's fine. But it's really impractical for people like me who use computers for a bunch of things.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Spirit Filled on Thu Jun 25, 2015 - 11:48:15
You cannot run Defender and MSE simultaneously, they'll compete with each other hence the reason for MSE disabling Defender upon install, but if it's any consolation, the MSE database for nasties is the same as Defender, just expanded.

Windows 8 began to package MSE with the OS, rebranding it as Windows Defender. The same applies for Windows 10.

As far as MS "stuff" on your computer, none of it is invasive if you take a moment to understand the system. Setting default apps is a breeze, and it actually does work  ::smile::


Thank you for clearing that up. To ask a simple question, how do I set default apps? I'm thinking I've done this through the control panel but just in case.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Thu Jun 25, 2015 - 12:47:36
You cannot run Defender and MSE simultaneously, they'll compete with each other hence the reason for MSE disabling Defender upon install, but if it's any consolation, the MSE database for nasties is the same as Defender, just expanded.

Windows 8 began to package MSE with the OS, rebranding it as Windows Defender. The same applies for Windows 10.

As far as MS "stuff" on your computer, none of it is invasive if you take a moment to understand the system. Setting default apps is a breeze, and it actually does work  ::smile::


Thank you for clearing that up. To ask a simple question, how do I set default apps? I'm thinking I've done this through the control panel but just in case.

You're welcome, and yes, default programs/apps are located in the control panel. You can assign by program name, file type, and autoplay settings.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: DaveW on Tue Jun 30, 2015 - 05:16:47
Wait, there was a Windows 9?

Yes.  But it was a long time ago. 

Win 95, Win 98, etc later got dumped under the moniker Win 9x.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Alan on Thu Jul 16, 2015 - 22:35:27
If you like Linux that's fine. But it's really impractical for people like me who use computers for a bunch of things.

I like Linux, but I don't love it. Look at the advantages first before dismissing it. It's free, it's fast ( old hardware such as P4s and Athlons with as little as 1GB of RAM run very well), it will play videos, play music, has a great photo editor built in, handles word documents, and surfs the web with ease and without worry of malware or viruses. Those are just for starters, if a person wanted to perform tasks that are normally done with a Mac or Windows, that can be done also, but with some amount of learning curve.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: RomanNoodles on Sun Jul 19, 2015 - 09:11:05
Yeah it depends on what you use it for. I use computers for things that are usually only supported by windows, like games and music programs, etc. so I couldn't get too much use out of Linux.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Bible Owl on Sun Jul 19, 2015 - 10:41:54
Has anyone here moved over to the Win 10? I got the invitation when I updated last night.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: DaveW on Tue Jul 28, 2015 - 05:32:31
Yeah it depends on what you use it for. I use computers for things that are usually only supported by windows, like games and music programs, etc. so I couldn't get too much use out of Linux.


There are ways around that. You can install WINE which is a compatibility layer; or install VMware and run a true WIN session in a virtual window. 

http://www.howtogeek.com/133515/4-ways-to-run-windows-software-on-linux/ (http://www.howtogeek.com/133515/4-ways-to-run-windows-software-on-linux/)
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: Texas Conservative on Tue Jul 28, 2015 - 08:20:51
For games, there is Steam.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: RomanNoodles on Tue Sep 22, 2015 - 22:18:57
I've used WINE and I had tons of issues getting the trying to run programs properly.
Title: Re: Microsoft explains what you’ll lose by upgrading to Windows 10
Post by: grams on Wed Sep 23, 2015 - 05:36:59

I know nothing about computers.........

I was dumb enough to use the up grade on windows  and of course
I had nothing but trouble, nothing was the same.

So I thought I brought it all back from 10 to my 7.......

Well , it did help some, but one thing I can not fix and do not
know were to go.
 Paste and copy ?    I can see the paste , but when it comes to copy
nothing is there.....
Any help ?   Please !   Thank You !.......