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Vistas to windows
« on: Tue Aug 02, 2016 - 21:10:43 »
Hi. I have  Vista on my computer. How could I get windows instead and how much would that cost? Vistas is going obsolete as they will offer no more upgrades. 
The computer I think was purchased in 2007 or 2008, so will properly support the latest windows? 

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #1 on: Thu Aug 25, 2016 - 12:16:29 »
You can. 

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #2 on: Thu Aug 25, 2016 - 12:51:25 »
Vista is Windows, but you're probably looking to upgrade to a newer OS (operating system).


Windows 7 will likely be most compatable with your system but just to be sure you should post the model number of your machine so we can check. Your machine won't likely support the latest OS (Windows 10) but we won't know until you give the make and model.


Also, which country do you reside in? You may find the best deal at a local retailer, otherwise you can always use a site like Ebay for an upgrade option.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Windows-7-Professional-Upgrade-32-64-bit-/201650898474?hash=item2ef354862a:g:pYMAAOSwHoFXuQfQ

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #3 on: Fri Aug 26, 2016 - 15:47:09 »
Windows 7 will likely be most compatable with your system but just to be sure you should post the model number of your machine so we can check. Your machine won't likely support the latest OS (Windows 10) but we won't know until you give the make and model.

Windows 10 has the same system requirements as Windows 7.  Why would you recommend an obsolete OS version to someone who wants to upgrade away from an obsolete OS version?  Why are you giving anyone tech advice? (That's the same question I think of asking everyone who posts any doctrine other than those I hold myself.  Just sayin'.)

A Windows 10 disk (which you can download for free from Microsoft) can check system compatibility, but I'm sure it'll be fine.  If the computer has less than 4GB of RAM, he should go with a 32-bit version of Windows 10.

But, the real question with someone running Vista from the age of Vista is why buy a new new OS instead of a new computer?   Why sink any money into such an old computer?  If Vista isn't working well, then install Linux Mint. 







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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #4 on: Fri Aug 26, 2016 - 21:52:59 »
Windows 7 is not obsolete, it's fully supported and will remain under support for some time to come. The reason for recommending 7 over 10 is purely based on the age of his machine, in my experience (yes, experience) 10 has more compatibility issues with older machines than does 7, and finally the GUI of 7 will be much more familiar for a Vista user than that of 10.
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Because I am a tech lol.
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A Windows 10 disk (which you can download for free from Microsoft) can check system compatibility, but I'm sure it'll be fine.
You can download the disk, but only in trial mode unless a key is purchased.
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If the computer has less than 4GB of RAM, he should go with a 32-bit version of Windows 10.


Really? It's the processor architecture that determines whether an X86 or X64 OS should or can be used, in X86 trim Windows will only see 3.5GB of RAM but that has nothing at all to do with whether a 32 or 64 bit OS should be used.


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But, the real question with someone running Vista from the age of Vista is why buy a new new OS instead of a new computer?   Why sink any money into such an old computer?  If Vista isn't working well, then install Linux Mint. 


$30-$40 is much cheaper than purchasing a new PC, a fresh install of a proven OS will breathe some new life into the machine.


Mint, or any *nix OS still isn't the best choice for novice.
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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #5 on: Fri Aug 26, 2016 - 22:14:31 »
Windows 7 will likely be most compatable with your system but just to be sure you should post the model number of your machine so we can check. Your machine won't likely support the latest OS (Windows 10) but we won't know until you give the make and model.

Hi Alan,

I believe on the Windows website you can download a tool which checks if your PC can run Windows 10?

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #6 on: Fri Aug 26, 2016 - 23:16:31 »
Windows 7 is not obsolete, it's fully supported and will remain under support for some time to come.

Again, why are you giving anyone tech advice?  Windows 7 is not "fully supported".  Microsoft hasn't released any new software for Windows 7 since 2014, other than security updates.  No modern Windows software (UWP) runs on Windows 7.  And, third party developers will stop legacy Windows 7 support relatively quickly.

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The reason for recommending 7 over 10 is purely based on the age of his machine, in my experience (yes, experience) 10 has more compatibility issues with older machines than does 7, and finally the GUI of 7 will be much more familiar for a Vista user than that of 10.

You've been informed by two people that Windows 10 compatibility can be checked by a software tool.  Sorry, I'm not going to put any weight on your experience, especially when it's not necessary.  And, Windows 10 works just about as much like Vista as Windows 7 does.  See Icon.  Click Icon.

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Because I am a tech lol.

Lol, indeed.

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You can download the disk, but only in trial mode unless a key is purchased.

Really, has to be purchased?  Maybe that's why I questioned your advice about buying a new operating system for an old computer and suggested going with Linux instead (which, just to let you know, is free).

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Really? It's the processor architecture that determines whether an X86 or X64 OS should or can be used, in X86 trim Windows will only see 3.5GB of RAM but that has nothing at all to do with whether a 32 or 64 bit OS should be used.

You need to find another job and you need to stop giving people computer advice.   Processor architecture has nothing to do with with choosing x86 or x64, as any Vista computer has a 64-bit processor.   32-bit Windows works better on computers with less than 4GB RAM (because 32-bit Windows has significantly lower memory requirements) and 32-bit Windows is compatibility with practically all windows Software.  64-bit Windows is not compatible with lots of older Windows software (anything with 16-bit code, which includes a lot of XP era software).  So, you see, techie, the amount of RAM is the only relevant question.

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$30-$40 is much cheaper than purchasing a new PC, a fresh install of a proven OS will breathe some new life into the machine.

Wrong.  Any new copy of any version of Windows is over $100 (upgrade, OEM).  And, $200 for retail, full-version.  And, I wouldn't even sink $30 into an old Vista machine, not when you can get a new Windows 10 computers so cheap. 

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Mint, or any *nix OS still isn't the best choice for novice.

*nix?  What's that asterisk stand for other than "Li".  You thin Unix is even a remote consideration?   Anyone who can manage an OS upgrade can manage Mint.  Find another line of work.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #7 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 11:45:58 »
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Again, why are you giving anyone tech advice?  Windows 7 is not "fully supported".  Microsoft hasn't released any new software for Windows 7 since 2014, other than security updates.  No modern Windows software (UWP) runs on Windows 7.  And, third party developers will stop legacy Windows 7 support relatively quickly.

It is fully supported.  You can't change the definition to fulfill your argument.

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The reason for recommending 7 over 10 is purely based on the age of his machine, in my experience (yes, experience) 10 has more compatibility issues with older machines than does 7, and finally the GUI of 7 will be much more familiar for a Vista user than that of 10.

You've been informed by two people that Windows 10 compatibility can be checked by a software tool.  Sorry, I'm not going to put any weight on your experience, especially when it's not necessary.  And, Windows 10 works just about as much like Vista as Windows 7 does.  See Icon.  Click Icon.

It is true that 7 will be more familiar than 10, and Linux Mint with Gnome will be more familiar to a Vista user than than of 10.  I would never suggest upgrading to a Windows OS on a Vista machine.  I would recommend buying a new machine if a change is needed or installing a lightweight linux distro if you don't want to buy new hardware.


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Really? It's the processor architecture that determines whether an X86 or X64 OS should or can be used, in X86 trim Windows will only see 3.5GB of RAM but that has nothing at all to do with whether a 32 or 64 bit OS should be used.

You need to find another job and you need to stop giving people computer advice.   Processor architecture has nothing to do with with choosing x86 or x64, as any Vista computer has a 64-bit processor.   32-bit Windows works better on computers with less than 4GB RAM (because 32-bit Windows has significantly lower memory requirements) and 32-bit Windows is compatibility with practically all windows Software.  64-bit Windows is not compatible with lots of older Windows software (anything with 16-bit code, which includes a lot of XP era software).  So, you see, techie, the amount of RAM is the only relevant question.

Processor architecture does matter, as does whether the motherboard BIOS has support for PAE, as does OS limitations.  A 32 bit linux distro with a machine that has PAE and more than 3.5 GB or RAM can use the entire amount of RAM.  Even with PAE, the licensing policy of Windows for many of the 32 bit Windows OS options limits the amount of RAM to be used to 3.5 GB, and that includes Windows 10. 

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$30-$40 is much cheaper than purchasing a new PC, a fresh install of a proven OS will breathe some new life into the machine.

Wrong.  Any new copy of any version of Windows is over $100 (upgrade, OEM).  And, $200 for retail, full-version.  And, I wouldn't even sink $30 into an old Vista machine, not when you can get a new Windows 10 computers so cheap.
 

I agree here.  I would get new, live with it, or go with a Linux distro.  Linux is free, the software is easy to use if you are just doing the facebooks or googles. Driver support for printers is not always fun.

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Mint, or any *nix OS still isn't the best choice for novice.

*nix?  What's that asterisk stand for other than "Li".  You thin Unix is even a remote consideration?   Anyone who can manage an OS upgrade can manage Mint.  Find another line of work.

For a novice, I wouldn't recommend Windows or Linux, for the average user that just uses the machine for internet, pictures, and word processing.  I would recommend a Chromebook.  It has a greater degree of simplicity.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #8 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 15:59:35 »

It is fully supported.  You can't change the definition to fulfill your argument.

When someone posts something completely ignorant, that doesn't' even show that they read (or read without any understanding) what they're replying to, there's no point in me reading past the first line of their reply.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #9 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 16:07:48 »

It is fully supported.  You can't change the definition to fulfill your argument.

When someone posts something completely ignorant, that doesn't' even show that they read (or read without any understanding) what they're replying to, there's no point in me reading past the first line of their reply.

If you would read further, you would realize I just showed you up Son.

BOOM!

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« Reply #10 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 17:14:55 »

If you would read further, you would realize I just showed you up Son.
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Microsoft ended what Microsoft calls "mainstream" support of Windows 7 a long time ago.  Windows 7 is not supported by any modern apps (the new Windows API, introduced with Windows 8, used by all new Microsoft software and hundreds of thousands of other modern programs).  And, you say Windows 7 is fully supported.  ::crackup::

Then you go on with irrelevant comment about memory limitations, after I just explained why they're irrelevant.  ::crackup::

You demonstrated no understanding of anything I've said.  You just saw words which triggered a mindless response.  I say "32-bit" and you mindlessly regurgitate "limits the amount of RAM to be used to 3.5 GB."

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #11 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 18:12:25 »

If you would read further, you would realize I just showed you up Son.

Microsoft ended what Microsoft calls "mainstream" support of Windows 7 a long time ago.  Windows 7 is not supported by any modern apps (the new Windows API, introduced with Windows 8, used by all new Microsoft software and hundreds of thousands of other modern programs).  And, you say Windows 7 is fully supported.  ::crackup::

Then you go on with irrelevant comment about memory limitations, after I just explained why they're irrelevant.  ::crackup::

You demonstrated no understanding of anything I've said.  You just saw words which triggered a mindless response.  I say "32-bit" and you mindlessly regurgitate "limits the amount of RAM to be used to 3.5 GB."
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They are not irrelevant.  You advised using 32 bit Windows. 

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« Reply #12 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 19:52:08 »
They are not irrelevant.  You advised using 32 bit Windows.

Yes, as I said (which went above your head), 32-bit Windows runs BETTER on computers with under 4GB of RAM.  And, 32-bit Windows is compatible with MORE software.  What don't you understand? 

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #13 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 20:28:01 »

Windows 7 will likely be most compatable with your system but just to be sure you should post the model number of your machine so we can check. Your machine won't likely support the latest OS (Windows 10) but we won't know until you give the make and model.

Hi Alan,

I believe on the Windows website you can download a tool which checks if your PC can run Windows 10?

Yep, it's basically the same useless piece of software that was installed on 7 and 8 machines via WU that told you whether or not your system could make the shift to 10, but it certainly left much to be desired in terms of driver compatibility, just ask the thousands of people that have audio issues after making the jump to 10. That is why I requested the make/model to check the actual manufacturers site for feedback with Windows OS's.

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Again, why are you giving anyone tech advice?  Windows 7 is not "fully supported".  Microsoft hasn't released any new software for Windows 7 since 2014
7 is supported until 2020, your argument that MS hasn't released any new software since 2014 is unimportant to the user that wishes to remain on 7, there are hotfixes and workarounds for every issue, much like the diehards that would not give up XP long past it's death.

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You need to find another job and you need to stop giving people computer advice.   Processor architecture has nothing to do with with choosing x86 or x64, as any Vista computer has a 64-bit processor.   32-bit Windows works better on computers with less than 4GB RAM (because 32-bit Windows has significantly lower memory requirements) and 32-bit Windows is compatibility with practically all windows Software.  64-bit Windows is not compatible with lots of older Windows software (anything with 16-bit code, which includes a lot of XP era software).  So, you see, techie, the amount of RAM is the only relevant question.

Nope, processor architecture is the first criteria when choosing an OS. Dell, Acer, HP, et al sold thousands of machines with Pentium D's and Yonah dual core/X86 processors, most of which were installed in Vista machines.  I would always recommend X64 on any machine that has at least 4GB of memory and discreet graphics, with a 32 bit OS much of that graphics memory is wasted.
You have heard of WOW64 right? If the software ran on previous 32 bit systems it will run under compatibility mode.
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Wrong.  Any new copy of any version of Windows is over $100 (upgrade, OEM).  And, $200 for retail, full-version.  And, I wouldn't even sink $30 into an old Vista machine, not when you can get a new Windows 10 computers so cheap.

Click the link I originally provided, there are plenty of disks and keys for $40-$50. The OP did not ask for a new computer, they asked for a newer Windows version.




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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #14 on: Sat Aug 27, 2016 - 23:17:39 »
7 is supported until 2020, your argument that MS hasn't released any new software since 2014 is unimportant to the user that wishes to remain on 7, there are hotfixes and workarounds

You think "work around" equals "fully supported"? Lol. 

You think the hundreds of thousands of Windows apps written with the modern UAP API that don't run on Windows 7 equals "fully supported"?  Lol.

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Nope, processor architecture is the first criteria when choosing an OS. Dell, Acer, HP, et al sold thousands of machines with Pentium D's and Yonah dual core/X86 processors, most of which were installed in Vista machines.  I would always recommend X64 on any machine that has at least 4GB of memory and discreet graphics, with a 32 bit OS much of that graphics memory is wasted.

Practically all of those Yonah processors went into XP machines.  In any case, no Yonah Vista would have shipped with 4GB. So, back to what I said, the only concern someone need have is for the amount of RAM in their computer.  Under 4 GB then 32-bit Windows.  Even if you have a Yonah 32-bit processor.  ::noworries::   

Even if you have a 64-bit processor.

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You have heard of WOW64 right? If the software ran on previous 32 bit systems it will run under compatibility mode.

I said 64-bit Windows doesn't run 16-code software, which is present in a lot of XP era software  (even supposedly 32-bit software).  WOW64 runs 32-bit code, not 16-bit code.

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Click the link I originally provided, there are plenty of disks and keys for $40-$50. The OP did not ask for a new computer, they asked for a newer Windows version.

If you're going through eBay, you know what you Windows 10 computer for (good machines for under $100).  You provided a link to mostly old copies of 64-bit Windows without giving the original poster a clue that he might not want to get 64-bit Windows.  What if his PC has a Yonah? Lol. 

The OP didn't ask for a new computer.  But, part of giving advice is to, ahem, give advice.   He might not realize how much better computers are today than in 2007/8.  Someone who wants to sink money into a Vista computer needs to be told better.






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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #15 on: Sun Aug 28, 2016 - 06:07:29 »
My Windows 7 machine with virtual computer runs XP era software.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #16 on: Sun Aug 28, 2016 - 06:58:05 »
I also agree that Chromebooks are a good choice for the user that simply wants to surf the web, and since Chrome is Linux, it is possible (with an add on) to achieve a KDE or XFCE desktop with a bit of work.




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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #17 on: Sun Aug 28, 2016 - 10:12:14 »


Windows 10 has the same system requirements as Windows 7.  Why would you recommend an obsolete OS version to someone who wants to upgrade away from an obsolete OS version?


Because 7 is more desireable then 10.

I had EP. , 7, 8, and 8.1 before Upgrading to 10.

Hated 8 and 8.1 so could not wait for 10.

I have nothing but problems since then... Until it is perfect more.... say another year... if you can get 7 I would... and then go for 10 when people quit complaining about it.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #18 on: Sun Sep 18, 2016 - 06:12:29 »
I purchased a 10 but haven't installed it yet, and decided to wipe my computer out and reinstall factory settings for the vists, then do the upgrades until they run out in 2017.   Unfortunately I have to buy a new whatcha macall it (forgot) that makes the disks work.
Then in the future I will try the ten, maybe, because I read it is 'lighter' than all the previous windows to 7?  Well, anyway, my machine seems to be able to handle it based on what I read.  I bought the home version.  Might just sell in the future instead.
I rarely use the home computer anymore, so I wasn't really taking notice of it, and it was kind of a mess, so I am going to reinstall the factory settings.  Youtube has vidoes of how to upgrade your driver's from there.  'The school of youtube' I call it. 

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #19 on: Fri Oct 14, 2016 - 09:49:46 »
Didn't use Vista for many years. Even I can clearly remember when I stated learning computer then used Vista, Windows 98, 2000.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #20 on: Fri Oct 21, 2016 - 12:56:42 »
So my husband decides to go back to certain year instead of from the beginning.  Why did he do that?  I would just wipe it clean and start over.  It was just a random date.  So now I cannot download my bitdefender antivirus I purchased over a month ago because the website wont come up.  Just a pictureless one with the x up in the left hand corner.   
Geez, now what. ?  I guess maybe a free something so I can at least use it for now
I think I have to try to update all my drivers?  I dont know, it took a while to do all the updating, did that include the drivers?   I guess I will find out..

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #21 on: Fri Oct 21, 2016 - 19:18:32 »
So my husband decides to go back to certain year instead of from the beginning.  Why did he do that?  I would just wipe it clean and start over.  It was just a random date.


Do you mean he did whatever the process is to restore Windows to a previous state where things were supposedly working properly?  He chose from a list of "restore points" from various earlier dates?  Sometimes that does work very nicely.  When it does, it's much less of a hassle than a complete wipe-and-reload.  But sometimes a complete fresh start is the only thing that helps.

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So now I cannot download my bitdefender antivirus I purchased over a month ago because the website wont come up.  Just a pictureless one with the x up in the left hand corner.   


That may be a problem with that Web site, not your computer.  You can test that by going to this site and copying the URL of the site from your address bar into the box.

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Geez, now what. ?  I guess maybe a free something so I can at least use it for now


Some security experts believe antivirus programs are overrated and actually cause more nuisances than they prevent, but I still don't have enough guts to... well... "go commando," so to speak.

Here you can download "Microsoft Security Essentials."  It's one of Microsoft's free anti-malware programs.  In times past it has gotten very good ratings, but lately it seems to be regarded as kind of mediocre.  It's what I use.

PC Magazine rates Avast, AVG, and Panda as the top three free anti-malware programs.

Tom's Guide rates Avira, Bit-Defender free edition, and Panda as tops.

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I think I have to try to update all my drivers?  I dont know, it took a while to do all the updating, did that include the drivers?   I guess I will find out..


Here is a list of free tools for automatically updating drivers.  I use Driver Booster.

The staff of "America's Digital Goddess" Kim Komando seems to like a program called "DuMO," but elsewhere it doesn't seem to get good reviews.

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Re: Vistas to windows
« Reply #22 on: Sat Oct 29, 2016 - 20:27:14 »
In terms of MS updates, this may be of some interest, explained more here.

 

     
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