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INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
« on: Mon Aug 28, 2017 - 03:42:03 »
Investigative judgment means no assurance of salvation.

According to SDA’s, beginning on October 22, 1844, Christ entered upon the “judgment phase” of His ministry, whereby He blots out sin.

The SDA “Investigative Judgement” doctrine rests on Ellen White’s claimed revelation that Christ entered the Holy of Holies not at His ascension, but in 1844 (The Great Controversy, p.362-373).

Hebrews 9:12 contradicts White’s theory: “by His own blood he entered (past tense) in once (not in 1844) into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.’ Hebrews 9:12,25. (v.26. ‘now once in the end of the world hath he appeared (33AD) to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself’.

SDA’s teach that Christ transferred the record of believers sins to the heavenly sanctuary, which will be finally cleansed at the conclusion of the Investigative Judgment, their day of
atonement.

White says in “Patriarchs and Prophets”, p.357 this heresy: “The blood of Christ, while it was to release the repentant sinner from the condemnation of the law, was not to cancel the sin. It would stand on record in the sanctuary until the final atonement.” SDAs filter all Scripture through White’s prophecies.

Hence SDA’s sins are not cancelled or forgiven yet. What a worry. No wonder they have no assurance of salvation until the imaginary Investigative Judgment is finished.

Q: If Christ can create the universe in 6 days, why does He take from 1844 until now to investigate the books? Is Christ a slow reader?

These 6 verses show the SDA Investigative Judgment to be false:

“The Lord knoweth them that are His.” 2 Timothy 2:19.
“I know my sheep.” John 10:14
“cleanse us from all unrighteousness.” 1 John 1:9.
“he had by himself purged our sins.” Hebrews 1:3
“yet now hath he reconciled...” Colossians 1:21.
“having forgiven you all trespasses.” Colossians 2:13

Christ’s judgments are after He returns, not before: “When the Son of Man shall come in his glory then shall he sit upon the throne of His glory: and before Him shall be gathered all nations.” Matt. 25:31,32.

Hebrews 4:13 exposes the SDA limitation on Christ’s omniscience: “Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.” Since Jesus knows all cases already, why must He
investigate?

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Re: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
« Reply #1 on: Mon Aug 06, 2018 - 00:15:38 »
I agree that the Seventh-day Adventist hierarchy are an embarrassment to the truth and were wrong to formulate a doctrine for the church based on Ellen White's visionary experiences. To repair their inexcusable doctrinal error, I first propose that SDAs abandon the "Investigative Judgment" terminology. Next, I would strongly encourage the Seventh-day Adventist church to embrace Christ's teachings about The Great, Final, Awesome Settling of Destiny instead. To pinpoint the beginning of this judgment, I would refer to the book of Revelation.

How should the New Testament doctrine of the Great, F.A.S.O.D. be summarized?

I propose the following:

The Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son (John 5:22). Christ will not judge believers (John 5:24). He will not even accuse the wicked (John 5:45). Nevertheless, Jesus Christ will confirm the judgment that we have of ourselves. In this judgment, Christ merely listens to all the confessions made and responds accordingly (Matthew 25:14-30).

John 12:46-48
I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

Matthew 7:1-2
Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

Luke 6:45
The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.

Matthew 12:37
For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.


For the timing of this event, I would invoke the most fundamental principles of Seventh-day Adventist eschatology.

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Re: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
« Reply #2 on: Sun Aug 12, 2018 - 11:30:58 »
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The SDA “Investigative Judgement” doctrine rests on Ellen White’s claimed revelation that Christ entered the Holy of Holies not at His ascension, but in 1844 (The Great Controversy, p.362-373).

Hebrews 9:12 contradicts White’s theory: “by His own blood he entered (past tense) in once (not in 1844) into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.’ Hebrews 9:12,25.

You need to understand that there's a difference between the holy place and the most holy place.

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SDA’s teach that Christ transferred the record of believers sins to the heavenly sanctuary

Seventh-day Adventist theology says this: Daily sacrifices pointed to the death of Christ. In addition, the day of atonement ritual (once a year) pointed to the final resolution of sin. The Seventh-day Adventist conclusion is that making an atonement for the children of Israel, for all their sins, once a year, parallels making an atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions.

Lev 16:16
So he shall make atonement for the Holy Place, because of the uncleanness of the children of Israel, and because of their transgressions, for all their sins; and so he shall do for the tabernacle of meeting which remains among them in the midst of their uncleanness.

Lev 16:33-34
then he shall make atonement for the Holy Sanctuary, and he shall make atonement for the tabernacle of meeting and for the altar, and he shall make atonement for the priests and for all the people of the assembly. This shall be an everlasting statute for you, to make atonement for the children of Israel, for all their sins, once a year.

 
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Re: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
« Reply #3 on: Mon Aug 13, 2018 - 15:37:59 »
Here's an excerpt from Wikipedia, which illustrates the antitypical Day of Atonement in Seventh-day Adventist eschatology:

The Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur)
According to Jewish tradition, God inscribes each person's fate for the coming year into a book, the Book of Life, on Rosh Hashanah, and waits until Yom Kippur to "seal" the verdict. During the Days of Awe, a Jew tries to amend his or her behavior and seeks forgiveness for wrongs done against God (bein adam leMakom) and against other human beings (bein adam lechavero). The evening and day of Yom Kippur are set aside for public and private petitions and confessions of guilt (Vidui). At the end of Yom Kippur, one hopes that they have been forgiven by God. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur

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Re: INVESTIGATIVE JUDGMENT
« Reply #4 on: Sat Aug 25, 2018 - 16:46:44 »
What do I make of the following Scriptures as opposed to the Scriptures that seem to pacify the anxiety of Fordites, Maxwellians and everyone else that is angered or frightened by the reality of God's coming judgments?

Deut 32:1-4
I Kings 8:27-32
Ps 7:8-11
Ps 26:1-3
Ps 96:10-13
Ps 50:3-4
Ps 135:13-14
Ps: 9:7-10
Ps 37:28-29
Ps 119:148-149
Eccl 3:17
Eccl 12:13-14
Isa 30:18
Isa 3:13-14
Isa 33:22
Jer 17:9-13
Jer 11:20
Jer 20:12
Ezek 18:30-32
John 5:25-30
Acts 10:39-42
Acts 17:31
Rom 2:11-16
Rom 14:9-12
1 Cor 4:3-5 
2 Cor 5:10
1 Pet 4:17-19
2 Tim 4:6-8
Heb 10:26-30
Jude 1:14-15

I see all of these promises as being logically equivalent.

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