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Offline KNOWLEDGE BOMB

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Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 12:11:14 »
Linker uses Ezekiel 38:2 for proof that Satan is Gog

Linker always adds the words:
"God addresses Satan as Gog"


So Linker give one verse that shows where the BIBLE says:
Satan is Gog...... Without adding your words!

Show everyone where this is - one verse

After all you've preached it....



God tells us NOT to add words to His word, because OUR words change GOD'S word!




You know it's amazing I even have to tell linker he can't add his own words..

You must make it fit with what's there....


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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #1 on: Sun May 13, 2012 - 19:40:15 »
"So Linker give one verse that shows where the BIBLE says:
Satan is Gog...... Without adding your words!"

You think you are having a good time with your hobgoblin .... but you are actually providing me with cannon fodder for teaching the Word of the Lord .... many are watching and learning on this forum

You prove it not .... you cannot

And while you are at it show that Ezekiel's war is the same as the one presented in Revelation 20:7-10 .... you can't do this either .... give it your best shot

Satan is "gog" in both passages of scripture which view two different wars separated by 1000 years

According to you "gog" is a human .... so tell me about your human "gog" .... who is it according to scripture and to the conspiracy buffs that you frequent who find him behind every bush

Tell me about this 1000 year old man and give scriptural support for your story  
« Last Edit: Mon May 14, 2012 - 05:21:38 by Linker »

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #2 on: Mon May 14, 2012 - 08:13:55 »
Linker said

Satan is "gog" in both passages of scripture which view two different wars separated by 1000 years


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

yes people do read these linker.... So let's once again CORRECT LINKER

NOW everyone watch and Learn...

Anyone who is alive in the endtimes (7 Billion) will also be alive DURING the 1000 year reign of Christ and at the END a 1000 years later.


So please stop using this Reasoning - I've corrected this very thought by you in my post by the same name and LINKER knows I have.... But he's always trying to twist the word!

So did everyone learn from Linkers Cannon Fodder?!  

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #3 on: Mon May 14, 2012 - 11:35:59 »
Your answer makes no sense

So let's start here:

You tell me who "gog" is in Ezekiel 38 ..... and who "gog" is in Revelation 20:8

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #4 on: Thu May 17, 2012 - 11:24:47 »
But my answers Do make sense...

Gog is alive in the end times
linker is alive in the end times
Gog is alive at end of 1000 yr reign
linker is alive at end of 1000 yr reign

eveyone who's alive now will be alive at end of 1000 yr reign


You know I make sense that's why you changed the subject but I'll answer you NOW that I set it straight above... You still haven't proved it....


The Prince used in Ez 38 in talking of Gog:

5387 Nasi
1. Exalted one, Captain SHEIK king governor prince ruler


1. All the Names in Ezekiel including Gog's can be found in 1st chronics
39:7 
I won't let them (gog and company polute my Holy name Anymore - Gog and company Wont be in battle of Armageddon.
39:11
I will give Gog a place there of graves
there they shall bury Gog and all his multitude
(Gog is buried)


Rev 20:7 Satan is loosed from prison
20:8 Satan deceives The People of the world - Gog and Magog

1. It's clear Satan us called Satan here and would not make sense to also call him Gog
then scripture would say Satan deceives Satan and Magog

2. I believe Gog could be Turkey's PM Recep Erdogan - reason why
A. All of the name in Ezekiel are Familys found in Gen 10
Japheth was the father of Gomer Magog Tubal Meshech - Japheth was on the Ark
the Ark settled in Turkey.
B. Out Of the Muslims countrys North of Israel - Lebanon Syria Turkey only Turkey could be the Leader (syria's Assad is going to be removed)
C. Ez 38:4 I will turn they back then bring you forth - how is Gog turned back from Israel and then brought back to attack?  To me it sounds as if they were friends then were turned back (away) from Israel and then come as attackers - Turkey was friends with Israel, enough so that Israel flew their jets over turkeys airspace to practice long range bombings (Iran?) then turkey sent the ship as part of the flotila to the gaza strip for the Palenstinians which ended with Israel killing about 10 men who were all members of Muslim Brotherhood.   Turkey demanded an "Im sorry" and money for the brotherhood and Israel refused - turning turkey into an enemy of Israel in one day.


But it's for sure Satan is not Gog but the leader of an Islamic hord.
You also have Revelation that says Satan isn't Gog 

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #5 on: Thu May 17, 2012 - 21:17:23 »
You say that "gog" is a man

You explain to the forum how a human living at the time of the end of this age will live again 1000 years later

I want to see the scriptures that tell of this specific human's resurrection from the dead to cause another rebellion against the Lord after being dead for 1000 years

.... and we all know that it is appointed for a man once to die .... and then the judgment

Not true of fallen angelic beings like Satan .... they live from their creation until they are destroyed in the lake of fire at the end of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom

What you fail to understand is the repetitive literary symbolism of the prophetic verses

The Lord addresses Satan as "gog" in Ezekiel 38 [Ezekiel 38:17] as the one who will come against Israel as spoke by the other prophets of old .... yet there is not one other prophet uses the term "gog"

.... but it is Satan who is described as the one who stands behind the human kings who are identified by the same prophets

And "magog" is the Lord's symbol for the rebelling nations in both Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20

And when the 1000 years come to a close it will be Satan [gog] again who will deceive and cause another human rebellion of the nations [magog] of the millennium

Until you get this straight, you will never be able to unravel the ball of yarn that you have been taught by those who cling to the prophetic interpretation of the reformation theologies 


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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #6 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 10:13:02 »
I ask you Linker

how can you read Rev 20:8 that says:

Satan goes out to the nations of world GOG and MAGOG
and decieves GOG and Magog....

This scripture is clear satan can't be gog!


And don't say it's Satan deceiving himself into thinking he can beat Jesus.

Rev 12:13 he comes down in great anger KNOWING HIS time is SHORT.




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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #7 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 10:18:04 »
Linker says:

The Lord addresses Satan as "gog" in Ezekiel 38 [Ezekiel 38:17] as the one who will come against Israel as spoke by the other prophets of old .... yet there is not one other prophet uses the term "gog"


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

but you add the words "the Lord addresses Satan as Gog"

that's what I ask you to prove Not just repeat over and again.


See again scripture doesn't say the prophets mentioned the name Gog
it says: the prophets spoke if this invasion before!

Micah 5:5 was written about 150 years before ezekiel

this is Gog the prophets spoke of!

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #8 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 10:30:25 »
Listen if I believed that Satan was gog then I saw Rev 20:7-8

I'd have to say:  well I can't get around that verse

and you can't either.... Not truthfully

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #9 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 11:30:11 »
Sorry, I don't buy you answer son .... humans don't live long enought to be your "gog"

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #10 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 12:36:13 »
The burden if proof is on you Linker for YOUR CLAIM

you Assume gog is Satan because you say there's no way gog can be alive in the end times and at end of 1000 year reign....

But Rev 20:7-8 say Satan decieves Gog - God calls the Nations Gog and Magog

tell me Linker:

Magog is both in the end times amd at the end of the 1000 year reign so is Magog another what....

The following scripture says Gog is NOT Satan

1. All the names mentioned in Ezekiel are Family names - so is Gog
2. Gog is the leader of ONLY Meshech and Tubal - Satan would be king of All
3. Ez39:4) (God speaking to GOG) thou shall fall upon the mts of Israel and ALL thy bands and people with you
4. 39:5) thou (gog) shall FALL upon an open field
5. 39:7) GOG is finnished and pollutes NO MORE!
6. 39:11) God gives GOG A places in the GRAVE
7. 39:11) there shall they BURY GOG


That's the end of GOG.... according to Ezekiel anyway

and Rev echos that Satan can't be Gog but God calls the people of the world GOG and MAGOG

Satan doesn't decieve himself into thinking he can beat Christ..


He just doesn't give up when he's WRONG.

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #11 on: Fri May 18, 2012 - 15:18:27 »
Ezekiel
38:17 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Art thou he of whom I have spoken in old time by my servants the prophets of Israel, which prophesied in those days many years that I would bring thee against them?

And you cannot prove that this is not Satan KB .... you have no real scriptural support  

Neither do I buy your Micah 5 logic .....

You are wrong about the dating, and even then all of the prophets see future end time events regardless of when their visions were recorded .... Micah 5 is a vision of the future time of the end of this present age .... things that have never yet taken place

.... and you need to know that it is the Lord Himself who speaks through His prophets .... He is the Author of all of this

You also have a tendency to follow preteristic teaching which has you far off track with a number of your interpretations of the prophetic visions as I observe your posting [you attempt to put Micah 5's view of the the time of the end of this present age in to the past]

Here is the insidious plan of Satan [gog] when he will be cast to the earth at the time of the end"

He will attack the Lord's nation of Israel thinking that he can prevent His second coming to bring His millennial kingdom upon the earth which will be centered in Israel

This devil will confiscate the land of Israel, Jerusalem, and the temple mount .... and give it to the Muslims of the Middle East


.... and this is the layering of the devil's own making:

Satan is called "gog" in Ezekiel 38; 39

Who will give his power and authority to his angelic beast [Abaddon-Appolyon] of Revelation's unfolding

Who in turn will manifest himself [fully possess] in the human little horn of Daniel's visions.... a king of the northern Middle East

And it is this beast [both angelic and human] who will contend with the Lord at Armageddon and perish

All of the prophets see all or parts of this end time drama

And Satan [gog] will live on in the abyss [where Abaddon-Apollyon was before his release release at the beginning of the coming tribulation period] .... and this same devil, after losing at Armageddon, will be released to cause another human rebellion 1000 years later .... that is .... "gog [Satan]  and magog [the rebelling nations]" .... a repeating of the Lord's revealing of Ezekiel 38's drama 1000 years in the past

If you cannot see this parallel account of Ezekiel and Revelation .... you will never understand the correct rendering of the Lord's more sure word of prophecy

Apparently this insight is beyond your capacity to recognize KB



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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #12 on: Mon Jun 11, 2012 - 20:23:37 »
Well it all pits your reasoning Vs. Scripture (rev) which says Satan decieves Gog
which Ezekiel says dies and is given a grave...


So 3 places in scripture Vs. Your reasoning


And that's what it comes down to

so you say Ezekiel lies when he says Gog dies
when Gog is buried
and when Gog is decieved by Satan

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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #13 on: Fri Jun 15, 2012 - 20:39:32 »
Why don't you guy's give up! Neither of you know who Gog is......   rofl

Have either of you considered that maybe Gog and Magog are related to Og the king of Bashan?


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Re: Gog and Satan are one - prove it
« Reply #14 on: Sun Jun 17, 2012 - 14:43:14 »
Eden 3 verses say Gog cannot be Satan so we do KNOW....

I never make the claim who Gog is because the bible doesn't say
but it DOES say Gog dies is buried and is fooled by Satan so yes we DO know....


Linkers just added confusion of which confuses you..... If you can't see the two aren't the same then you can't figure anything....

 

     
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