24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. larry2 -
Hi KB, and I do think tackling this a very small segment at a time will benefit both of us. During this portion I have pasted the verses above we are debating. I will at times quote (Hawkins) from a study at a Christian College I spent approximately two years transcribing. Knowledge Bomb -
I'll tackle Dan 9:27 first.
We know that Prior to v27, 69 of the 70 have past - now I think we differ on when the 70th week was
I believe you feel it happened just after Jesus death?
We know from v24 that there will be:
1. Reconciliation brought back to the Jew
2. Everlasting righteousness
1) has the Jew been reconciled to Jesus yet? If not then the 70th week can not of happened yet.larry2 -
Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
And as to Daniel 9:24, the following seven things are to be completed in that four hundred and ninety years, and they all reflect blessings; not judgment as will be evident during the tribulation.
1. He's going to finish the transgression.
2. He's going to make an end of sins.
3. He's going to make reconciliation for iniquity.
4. He's going to bring in everlasting righteousness.
5. He's going to seal up the vision.
6. He's going to seal up the prophesy.
7. He's going to anoint the most Holy.
(Hawkins) These first three; finish the transgression, make an end of sins, and make reconciliation for iniquity happened at the cross. The last four: bring in everlasting righteousness, seal up the vision, seal up the prophesy, and anoint the most Holy happened after the resurrection, but they are all decidedly blessing. Now God finished the transgression in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ when He died there on the cross. He brought transgression to an end and atoned for the sin of all mankind, and not just Israel.
Likewise "To make an end of sins." The sin question was absolutely settled here and God's government is absolutely, completely, and totally satisfied. We have said again and again that when people go to hell, they do not go to hell for their sins. Those were already taken care of at Calvary and God is satisfied with that. The reason men go to hell is because they reject Christ's offering for sin, and when they do that they're going to bear the penalty themselves. If they are so filled with rebellion, unbelief, and disobedience that they won't accept Christ, and they will not acknowledge that He bore the penalty for their sins then they're going to bear it themselves and thus the reason for hell for them. So God settled and wrapped up the sin question there at the cross.
And then "To make reconciliation for iniquity." God didn't just come and punish sins and say okay, these are taken care of. God makes reconciliation for us and He reconciled us to Himself. That's what we read there in Romans 5 of the five much mores that He has provided and given us much more than Adam took away. We have much more than Adam had there in the Garden of Eden. We have now been made the sons of God and He made reconciliation there at the cross for us also.
Then He was going "To bring in everlasting righteousness." That happened as a result of the resurrection. Because Jesus was raised from the grave, God showed by that that He had indeed accepted the offering of Christ and it shows to us God's government was absolutely satisfied. The resurrection put God's stamp of approval of the work of redemption Jesus did there at the cross and so He brought "In everlasting righteousness." It is the righteousness that when Christ was raised from the grave, He was raised up in newness of life, and now then of course we have that righteousness. God found that way of bringing us forth out of the death state into newness of life of Christ and He gave us everlasting righteousness. That's the reason for eternal life because we have eternal righteousness the moment we believe upon Him.
The next one is "To seal up the vision." All of the provisions, all of the basis for what God is going to do, and all of the judgment that is going to be poured out on the antichrist and the false prophet has been paid for by Jesus as He laid that foundation there at the cross. It's because of what He did on the cross that God had a basis to pour out every last bit of His wrath against men because of their own unbelief.
And then to seal up the "Prophesy." That is the word of God itself and this is why I am just so worried about some today thinking they have new prophesy. You know, that was done whenever the Apostle Paul and the prophets right after the day of Pentecost and whatever wrote what's in this book. Prophesy has been sealed up and that's why you read there in the book of Revelation that if anyone adds to or takes away from this book. You can't add to it because God has already put it all in there and there's nothing else to add. And so this happened in this same period of time, and Jesus laid the basis for that there at the cross.
And then the seventh one, "To anoint the most Holy" and I'm sure that Daniel thought oh wonderful, we're going to see the sanctuary restored, but that's not the fulfillment of this. The fulfillment of this is the great day of Pentecost. The anointing He's talking about is when God sent the power of the Holy Ghost into this world. Now the Church Age was absolutely hidden to Daniel so he didn't know that God was going to baptize the Church into one body on the day of Pentecost, but Daniel gives it to us here in his prophesy even though he didn't understand that was what was happening because Gabriel didn't make it known to him. He anointed the most holy there on the day of Pentecost when the power of the Holy Ghost was sent and they began to speak with tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance and thus the Church Age was born and indeed started. And so if we were just to bring it down to where that he said "Seal up the vision" for many days, we know that He had the Church Age in mind that is going to be inserted in here, and then these other things are going to come to pass. Knowledge Bomb -
2) with Satan and the Antichrist coming soon to power, how can you believe ER has been brought in?
I know you thought that Jesus brought that in but there can be no ER until sin and UNrighteousness are no more....
Notice the order
1.70 weeks are deterimed for the PEOPLE and the CITY to FINNISH the transgression (against God by the Jews) - city and people are sacked in the tribulation so this hasn't been finnished yet!
2. To make an END TO SIN - we know this hasn't happened yet!
3. To Reconcile the Jew back to God through Jesus - happens during tribulation
4. Bring in (after tribulation) Everlasting Righteousness - hasn't happened yetlarry2 -
During the tribulation Jesus puts down nations ruling in usurpation, and it will not be until the end of the millennium that Satan is put into the lake of fire, and our last enemy death is destroyed. 1 Corinthians 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. Knowledge Bomb -
So Larry since the 70th week is ended by ER being brought in, the 70th week starts with the agreement.....
Larry don't forget no where does it mention anything just after Christ death to make us think it is the 70th week - that's all you!
Also the prince is the focus of v26 and the people only identify who the Antichrist is... But somehow even though only 1 week remains you don't give it to the prince who makes an one week agreement, you give it to Jesus 2000 yrs ago....larry2 -
I read where there are four hundred and ninety years, and I do not read of a two thousand year delay between the sixty-ninth and seventieth week - That's all you!
Sorry, I couldn't help that.