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LARRY and KNOWLDGE BOMB - Tribulation
« on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 10:13:11 »
Quote from: KNOWLEDGE BOMB on Yesterday at 01:20:31 PM
Larry I can't remember where you have this at but you believe the tribulation starts at the abomanation of desolation or the breaking of dan 9:27 correct?

Do you also say that Daniel 8:13-14 proves the tribulation starts at AoD because it last 2300 days from the daily sacrifice and AoD?

One more thing - who signs agreement in dan9:27?

Thanks

LARRY replies:

Not quite and so I will attempt to explain what I do believe, but I do hope we can slow it down a bit so that we can agree or disagree on certain portions of scripture before proceeding.

Daniel 9:27  And he (The antichrist) shall confirm the covenant with many (Jews performing the daily sacrifice again.) for one week (7 years): and in the midst (3 1/2 years) of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
Daniel 9:27 prophesies 2520 days of tribulation, or seven years @ 360 days per year.

Now when we read Daniel 8:13-14 we find there are only twenty-three hundred days. There seems to be a difference of 250 days.
13  Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
14  And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed. The sanctuary will be cleaned when Jesus has put down all rule.
 
Let's also read Daniel 12:11 in connection with this. And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days. Lets count backward from the middle of the week when the AoD is set up and that puts us thirty days before the start of the seven years of tribulation.

Do you agree with this so far?
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« Reply #1 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 10:24:29 »
I think we'll have to brake it down futher than that.... So I'll tackle dan9:27 first

we know that Prior to v27 69 of the 70 have past - now I think we differ on when the 70th week was

I believe you feel it happened just after Jesus death?

We know from v24 that there will be:

1. Reconciliation brought back to the Jew
2. Everlasting righteousness

1) has the Jew been reconciled to Jesus yet? If not then the 70th week can not of happened yet.
2) with Satan and the Antichrist coming soon to power, how can you believe ER has been brought in?
(there can be no ER until all UNrighteousness is gone)


Notice the order
1.70 weeks are deterimed for the PEOPLE and the CITY to FINNISH the transgression (against God by the Jews) - city and people are sacked in the tribulation so this hasn't been finnished yet!

2. To make an END TO SIN - we know this hasn't happened yet!

3. To Reconcile the Jew back to god through Jesus - happens during tribulation

4. Bring in (after tribulation) Everlasting Righteousness - hasn't happened yet




So Larry since the 70th week is ended by ER being brought in, the 70th week starts with the agreement.....

Larry don't forget no where does it mention anything just after Christ death to make us think it is the 70th week - that's all you!

Also the prince is the focus of v26 and the people only identify who the Antichrist is... But somehow even though only 1 week remains you don't give it to the prince who makes an one week agreement, you give it to Jesus 2000 yrs ago....


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« Reply #2 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 11:22:54 »
Daniel 9:27  And he (The antichrist) shall confirm the covenant with many (Jews performing the daily sacrifice again.) for one week (7 years): and in the midst (3 1/2 years) of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
Daniel 9:27 prophesies 2520 days of tribulation, or seven years @ 360 days per year.


AGREED....... so it now comes down to WHEN the Tribulation starts.


Larry I would like to point out one more figure to add in to this (so far)

matt 24:15-16 that when the Jews see the AoD happen to Flee to wilderness
mark 13:14 that when the Jews see the AoD happen to flee to wilderness
Luke 21:20-21 that when the Antichrist armies surround Jerusalem - desolation is Near (AoD)

(armys must surround Jerusalem before temple is taking)

so the Jews are to flee - we know it's to Moab edom Ammon (dan 11.44) the HE being the Antichrist

so we see god protects the fleeing Jew... Now according to you this is the Start of the tribulation - so there's 7 yrs coming..

Then why does God only protect the Jew for 1260 days? (Rev 12:-13-14)

also notice when the devils kicked out this is mid trib! I say..

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« Reply #3 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 13:06:47 »
Larry said

Daniel 9:27 prophesies 2520 days of tribulation, or seven years @ 360 days per year.

Now when we read Daniel 8:13-14 we find there are only twenty-three hundred days. There seems to be a difference of 250 days.


(You mean 220 days)
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« Reply #4 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 14:38:15 »
I would like to see how you use the 2300 days...

The problem I have with using 8:13 as the Antichrist is that this vision is about the Greek empire under Alexander the great (v8) and the four generals that took over from Alexander (v8) when he died, out of one of these 4 generals Comes this little horn...and it all fits to the 2300 days during antiochous Epiphanes reign.....

But the little horn of dan 7:8 that the Antichrist comes up amongst 10 horns.
Dan 7:24 the Antichrist rises out of the ten horns kingdom
REV 13:1 we have the 10 horns and brings antichrist to power v2
Rev 17:13 the ten horns (12) kings give their power to the Antichrist bringing him to power.
 

So we see these are 2 different little horns....
The rest from Daniel Are the Antichrist...


There are 1260 days during the first half of the tribulation
and 1290 days during the second half which totals 2550 making the years come to 364.28 days....
Which is within 24 hours of a year...
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« Reply #5 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 14:51:40 »
Daniel 9:24-27 
24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 
larry2 - Hi KB, and I do think tackling this a very small segment at a time will benefit both of us. During this portion I have pasted the verses above we are debating. I will at times quote (Hawkins) from a study at a Christian College I spent approximately two years transcribing.

Knowledge Bomb - I'll tackle Dan 9:27 first.

We know that Prior to v27, 69 of the 70 have past - now I think we differ on when the 70th week was

I believe you feel it happened just after Jesus death?

We know from v24 that there will be:

1. Reconciliation brought back to the Jew
2. Everlasting righteousness

1) has the Jew been reconciled to Jesus yet? If not then the 70th week can not of happened yet.

larry2 - Romans 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

And as to Daniel 9:24, the following seven things are to be completed in that four hundred and ninety years, and they all reflect blessings; not judgment as will be evident during the tribulation.

1.     He's going to finish the transgression.
2.     He's going to make an end of sins.    
3.     He's going to make reconciliation for iniquity.
4.     He's going to bring in everlasting righteousness.
5.     He's going to seal up the vision.
6.     He's going to seal up the prophesy.
7.     He's going to anoint the most Holy.

(Hawkins) These first three; finish the transgression, make an end of sins, and make reconciliation for iniquity happened at the cross. The last four: bring in everlasting righteousness, seal up the vision, seal up the prophesy, and anoint the most Holy happened after the resurrection, but they are all decidedly blessing. Now God finished the transgression in the person of the Lord Jesus Christ when He died there on the cross. He brought transgression to an end and atoned for the sin of all mankind, and not just Israel.

Likewise "To make an end of sins." The sin question was absolutely settled here and God's government is absolutely, completely, and totally satisfied. We have said again and again that when people go to hell, they do not go to hell for their sins. Those were already taken care of at Calvary and God is satisfied with that. The reason men go to hell is because they reject Christ's offering for sin, and when they do that they're going to bear the penalty themselves. If they are so filled with rebellion, unbelief, and disobedience that they won't accept Christ, and they will not acknowledge that He bore the penalty for their sins then they're going to bear it themselves and thus the reason for hell for them. So God settled and wrapped up the sin question there at the cross.

   And then "To make reconciliation for iniquity." God didn't just come and punish sins and say okay, these are taken care of. God makes reconciliation for us and He reconciled us to Himself. That's what we read there in Romans 5 of the five much mores that He has provided and given us much more than Adam took away. We have much more than Adam had there in the Garden of Eden. We have now been made the sons of God and He made reconciliation there at the cross for us also.

   Then He was going "To bring in everlasting righteousness." That happened as a result of the resurrection. Because Jesus was raised from the grave, God showed by that that He had indeed accepted the offering of Christ and it shows to us God's government was absolutely satisfied. The resurrection put God's stamp of approval of the work of redemption Jesus did there at the cross and so He brought "In everlasting righteousness." It is the righteousness that when Christ was raised from the grave, He was raised up in newness of life, and now then of course we have that righteousness. God found that way of bringing us forth out of the death state into newness of life of Christ and He gave us everlasting righteousness. That's the reason for eternal life because we have eternal righteousness the moment we believe upon Him.

   The next one is "To seal up the vision." All of the provisions, all of the basis for what God is going to do, and all of the judgment that is going to be poured out on the antichrist and the false prophet has been paid for by Jesus as He laid that foundation there at the cross. It's because of what He did on the cross that God had a basis to pour out every last bit of His wrath against men because of their own unbelief.

   And then to seal up the "Prophesy." That is the word of God itself and this is why I am just so worried about some today thinking they have new prophesy. You know, that was done whenever the Apostle Paul and the prophets right after the day of Pentecost and whatever wrote what's in this book. Prophesy has been sealed up and that's why you read there in the book of Revelation that if anyone adds to or takes away from this book. You can't add to it because God has already put it all in there and there's nothing else to add. And so this happened in this same period of time, and Jesus laid the basis for that there at the cross.

   And then the seventh one, "To anoint the most Holy" and I'm sure that Daniel thought oh wonderful, we're going to see the sanctuary restored, but that's not the fulfillment of this. The fulfillment of this is the great day of Pentecost. The anointing He's talking about is when God sent the power of the Holy Ghost into this world. Now the Church Age was absolutely hidden to Daniel so he didn't know that God was going to baptize the Church into one body on the day of Pentecost, but Daniel gives it to us here in his prophesy even though he didn't understand that was what was happening because Gabriel didn't make it known to him. He anointed the most holy there on the day of Pentecost when the power of the Holy Ghost was sent and they began to speak with tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance and thus the Church Age was born and indeed started. And so if we were just to bring it down to where that he said "Seal up the vision" for many days, we know that He had the Church Age in mind that is going to be inserted in here, and then these other things are going to come to pass.

Knowledge Bomb - 2) with Satan and the Antichrist coming soon to power, how can you believe ER has been brought in?
I know you thought that Jesus brought that in but there can be no ER until sin and UNrighteousness are no more....

Notice the order
1.70 weeks are deterimed for the PEOPLE and the CITY to FINNISH the transgression (against God by the Jews) - city and people are sacked in the tribulation so this hasn't been finnished yet!

2. To make an END TO SIN - we know this hasn't happened yet!

3. To Reconcile the Jew back to God through Jesus - happens during tribulation

4. Bring in (after tribulation) Everlasting Righteousness - hasn't happened yet

larry2 - During the tribulation Jesus puts down nations ruling in usurpation, and it will not be until the end of the millennium that Satan is put into the lake of fire, and our last enemy death is destroyed. 1 Corinthians 15:24  Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
 
Knowledge Bomb - So Larry since the 70th week is ended by ER being brought in, the 70th week starts with the agreement.....

Larry don't forget no where does it mention anything just after Christ death to make us think it is the 70th week - that's all you!

Also the prince is the focus of v26 and the people only identify who the Antichrist is... But somehow even though only 1 week remains you don't give it to the prince who makes an one week agreement, you give it to Jesus 2000 yrs ago....

larry2 - I read where there are four hundred and ninety years, and I do not read of a two thousand year delay between the sixty-ninth and seventieth week - That's all you!  ::smile:: Sorry, I couldn't help that.

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Re: LARRY and KNOWLDGE BOMB - Tribulation
« Reply #6 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 15:58:50 »
larry2 - Romans 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

how is the unbeliever reconciled to god?

All men are reconciled to God because of Christ death
but not all are reconciled to Life....

rememeber pauls talking about saved believers who have both....He says:

if we were enemy's we were reconciled to god by his death - Jesus died for all
MUCH MORE being Reconciled, WE (believers) shall be saved by his life.

He rose again so we will too - unbelievers are NOT reconciled to life

and it's for sure that God means reconciled to life in dan 9:24

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« Reply #7 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 16:41:10 »
Larry.... Could you... Or that guy your quoting I mean....

larry2 - I read where there are four hundred and ninety years, and I do not read of a two thousand year delay between the sixty-ninth and seventieth week - That's all you!


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

v26  the 69th week ends when Jesus is crucified... Help me find anything that would show jesusand the 70th week outlined?!?

And After threescore and two weeks shall the messiah be cut off but not for himself....

And the people (identifier)  of the Prince (subject) that shall come...

Wait wait did I miss it???

The next thing mentioned after his cutoff is the people who destroy the city and temple - Romans
and their prince who makes a one week agreement.... Hmmmm 

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« Reply #8 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 17:11:56 »
larry2 - Romans 5:10  For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

how is the unbeliever reconciled to god?

All men are reconciled to God because of Christ death
but not all are reconciled to Life....

rememeber pauls talking about saved believers who have both....He says:

if we were enemy's we were reconciled to god by his death - Jesus died for all
MUCH MORE being Reconciled, WE (believers) shall be saved by his life.

He rose again so we will too - unbelievers are NOT reconciled to life

and it's for sure that God means reconciled to life in dan 9:24

Daniel 9:24-27
24  Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25  Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26  And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27  And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

larry2 -   Romans 5:10. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB - How is the unbeliever reconciled to God?

larry2 - The penalty was paid.
Romans 5:6  For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
 

KNOWLEDGE BOMB - All men are reconciled to God because of Christ death
but not all are reconciled to Life....

Rememeber Paul's talking about saved believers who have both....He says:

if we were enemy's we were reconciled to God by his death - Jesus died for all
MUCH MORE being Reconciled, WE (believers) shall be saved by his life.

He rose again so we will too - unbelievers are NOT reconciled to life

and it's for sure that God means reconciled to life in dan 9:24

larry2 - But that's not the question you asked, and now you are mixing oranges and apples. You asked, "Has the Jew been reconciled to Jesus yet? ", and the answer is yes; all mankind are reconciled to God.

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« Reply #9 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 17:21:59 »
Larry.... Could you... Or that guy your quoting I mean....

larry2 - I read where there are four hundred and ninety years, and I do not read of a two thousand year delay between the sixty-ninth and seventieth week - That's all you!


KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

v26  the 69th week ends when Jesus is crucified... Help me find anything that would show jesusand the 70th week outlined?!?

And After threescore and two weeks shall the messiah be cut off but not for himself....

And the people (identifier)  of the Prince (subject) that shall come...

Wait wait did I miss it???

The next thing mentioned after his cutoff is the people who destroy the city and temple - Romans
and their prince who makes a one week agreement.... Hmmmm
KB, did you read what I posted? You have completely disregarded those answers and now are yet headed into a new direction; I can't keep up with you. Somewhere we must settle on one thing at a time because right now we're all over the place. Why don't you make a list of what you do agree with, and then we can pick items to debate we do not agree on. Thanks.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 18:40:13 »
larry2 - But that's not the question you asked, and now you are mixing oranges and apples. You asked, "Has the Jew been reconciled to Jesus yet? ", and the answer is yes; all mankind are reconciled to God.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

pauls talking to believers:

Romans 5:10 - for if when We were enemy's of god We were reconciled to god by Jesus death..

1. All unsaved are enemy's of God
2. By Christ death all men are reconciled to god
3. The Jews are reconciled to god


MUCH MORE (than unbelievers) being reconciled We (believers) shall be saved by his life...

1. Only the believer can be saved by his life
2. The Jews are unbelievers - therefore they Arent reconciled to LIFE

and in Daniel 9:24 god wants this second reconciliation of life for the Jew

the jew already has the first but does not have the 2nd.
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« Reply #11 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 18:59:49 »
larry2 - But that's not the question you asked, and now you are mixing oranges and apples. You asked, "Has the Jew been reconciled to Jesus yet? ", and the answer is yes; all mankind are reconciled to God.

KNOWLEDGE BOMB replies:

pauls talking to believers:

Romans 5:10 - for if when We were enemy's of god We were reconciled to god by Jesus death..

1. All unsaved are enemy's of God
2. By Christ death all men are reconciled to god
3. The Jews are reconciled to god


MUCH MORE (than unbelievers) being reconciled We (believers) shall be saved by his life...

1. Only the believer can be saved by his life
2. The Jews are unbelievers - therefore they Arent reconciled to LIFE

and in Daniel 9:24 god wants this second reconciliation of life for the Jew

the jew already has the first but does not have the 2nd.

I'm sorry KB, I have absolutely no idea where you're attempting to go with this, and cannot understand your point of being reconciled to life as pertinent as to Daniel 9:24. Jesus died, was resurrected, and completed all seven steps in the process. I suppose we're just too far apart to reconcile or even bring to light things that might help both of us. God willing, He will reveal them to us when necessary. Blessings in Christ Jesus, and I'm bailing out of this debate.

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« Reply #12 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 20:42:52 »
I'm showing that god is not reconsilied as you think in 9:24

Romans tells us there are 2 reconciles to be had... Still with me

there is the one where everyone is reconciled to god because christ died for all

but there also is a 2nd one and that's to life.... - only believers get this...

The Jew ONLY has the first But he's still going to hell


God wants the Jew to accept Christ and achieve life

so in Daniel 9:24 at this time (2012) the Jew has no reconciliation to LIFE
he is an unbeliever....

So do you feel that God is satisfied with the first reconciliation?
Cause the Jew is still going to hell.....

No ofocurse not so since the Jew has not been grafted back into the vine of Christ
has Not been reconsiled to life - there's NO way 9:24 is saying reconciliation is done...

Dan 9:24 is talking about the Jew having reconsiliation... To life!!!

Understand... So this means reconsiliation has not happened - the one to life....
As God is STILL waiting for the Jew to be reconsilied to Jesus as their savior...


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« Reply #13 on: Sun Aug 19, 2012 - 21:33:08 »
I'm showing that god is not reconsilied as you think in 9:24

Romans tells us there are 2 reconciles to be had... Still with me

there is the one where everyone is reconciled to god because christ died for all

but there also is a 2nd one and that's to life.... - only believers get this...

The Jew ONLY has the first But he's still going to hell


God wants the Jew to accept Christ and achieve life

so in Daniel 9:24 at this time (2012) the Jew has no reconciliation to LIFE
he is an unbeliever....

So do you feel that God is satisfied with the first reconciliation?
Cause the Jew is still going to hell.....

No ofocurse not so since the Jew has not been grafted back into the vine of Christ
has Not been reconsiled to life - there's NO way 9:24 is saying reconciliation is done...

Dan 9:24 is talking about the Jew having reconsiliation... To life!!!

Understand... So this means reconsiliation has not happened - the one to life....
As God is STILL waiting for the Jew to be reconsilied to Jesus as their savior...

Hi KB, I doubt I can make understood what I attempting to say, but When Jesus went to the cross, and was resurrected He did everything necessary for the reconciling of the world to Him. Nothing more was necessary. Those Jews like Paul, Peter, and others were recipients of the life in Christ afforded by the reconciliation, but that in no way makes the prerequisite of Jesus' blood unavailable to all who would come. No longer was Israel separated by divorce from God, and they were openly invited to partake of the provision our Savior made, but whatever we as individuals do or not doesn't detract from what God did in Daniel 9:24. Every portion was satisfied. These things were planned from the foundation of the world and once again I will list the things accomplished by Jesus' death and resurrection.

1.     He's going to finish the transgression.
2.     He's going to make an end of sins.   
3.     He's going to make reconciliation for iniquity.
4.     He's going to bring in everlasting righteousness.
5.     He's going to seal up the vision.
6.     He's going to seal up the prophesy.
7.     He's going to anoint the most Holy.

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Re: LARRY and KNOWLDGE BOMB - Tribulation
« Reply #14 on: Tue Aug 21, 2012 - 15:36:05 »
You are stuck in that guys teaching...

All people are reconciled to god by Christ death - but you will still go to hell
only believers are reconciled to God by Christ life - you go to heaven

is god satisfied with the Jew being reconciled to death and going to hell?

No ofcourse not....

So how is it that you think god talks about the Jew being in an unbelieving state and going to hell
that the Jew is reconciled to god 

We know god wants them to not ONLY have what every person has (Jesus death)
he wants them to have life and this is what he is talking about in dan 9:24

the time when the Jew will call Jesus savior!

Since you can't have the father without the son, God wants that!


This would make you wrong on your view of dan 9:24 and that's why you cant understand something so simple.....



Hitler is reconciled to God through Christ death SAME as the JEW

so is hilter going to partake of heaven? Is the Jew?

Is god satisfied by the Jew? No and it won't happen until the 144,000 preach Christ to the Jew and when he accepts Jesus as savior THEN Daniel 9:24 has been fullfilled!


If you can't grasp this then I will bail on this debate.... You preconcieved views won't let you see the truth...
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Re: LARRY and KNOWLDGE BOMB - Tribulation
« Reply #15 on: Tue Aug 21, 2012 - 15:52:21 »
There are 2 Larry - Christ death is ONLY ONE

all men have this but will go to hell - correct?

Then the believer moves into life by accepting Christ


Has the Jew done this Larry?

Is god cool as it is with the Jew or is he waiting for them to accept Christ?




I have to thank you for bringing Romans to my attention as it makes my case....

Can't help if you feel that god is fine with the Jew as he is NOT
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