Author Topic: The apostle Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord. (Read 2754 times)

cwb01 · « **on:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57 »

I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

LexKnight · « **Reply #1 on:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:47:57 »

Paul's dead... Beheaded by a Roman official. He was speaking simply of those who would be alive in those days. Are you saying He was led by the Lord to those days to witness it? If not, who's the we then?

TruthBeTold · « **Reply #2 on:** Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:57:17 »

He was speaking to the church/ gods people at the time
We as in gods children who are still alive

4WD · « **Reply #3 on:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32 »

Quote from: cwb01 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57

I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming. Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died. Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance. Most of us don't really do that very well.

chosenone · « **Reply #4 on:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42 »

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32

Quote from: cwb01 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming. Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died. Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance. Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

4WD · « **Reply #5 on:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:58:10 »

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
Quote from: cwb01 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming. Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died. Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance. Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

Read Paul's letters to the Thessalonians. What you are describing is what he was writing about. He says expect Jesus at any time, but in the meantime, if you don't work you don't eat. So get busy.

chosenone · « **Reply #6 on:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 07:06:34 »

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:58:10

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42
Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
Quote from: cwb01 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming. Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died. Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance. Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

Read Paul's letters to the Thessalonians. What you are describing is what he was writing about. He says expect Jesus at any time, but in the meantime, if you don't work you don't eat. So get busy.

Yes, except I am semi retired. lol

4WD · « **Reply #7 on:** Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 07:15:51 »

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 07:06:34

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:58:10
Quote from: chosenone on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:39:42
Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32
Quote from: cwb01 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57
I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming. Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died. Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance. Most of us don't really do that very well.

I have heard that said before, but I wondered about it because if we all lived that way, then surely we would never plan ahead at all. So no holidays, no applying for a job, no studying, no moving house etc etc. I suppose we need to live with that awareness of the fact that Jesus will return, but also understanding that He may not come for a long time yet.

Read Paul's letters to the Thessalonians. What you are describing is what he was writing about. He says expect Jesus at any time, but in the meantime, if you don't work you don't eat. So get busy.

Yes, except I am semi retired. lol

Yeah, I know what you mean. I am fully retired. Sometimes I feel a little guilty, but only a little bit.

3 Resurrections · « **Reply #8 on:** Fri Nov 11, 2016 - 11:55:30 »

Resurrecting a dead post again here ......

No, Paul was not alive at the coming of the Lord. He didn't want to be. He desired to be dead before then, so that he could participate in the resurrection. For proof of this, read his words in Philippians 3:9-11. These verses are preceded by Paul giving a list of his credentials in Phil 3:4-6 (a "Hebrew of the Hebrews", "circumcised the eighth day", etc.). He then says that he was willing to chuck all of these qualifications in his resume - that they meant nothing compared to being wrapped in Christ's righteousness. This alone would be what would entitle him to participate in the "power of His resurrection" (Phil. 3:10).

Here are Paul's words in the Phil. 3:9-11 Interlinear version that show Paul wished for his own death to occur before Christ's coming. "...and be found in him, not having my righteousness which [is] of law, but that which by faith of Christ [is], the of God righteousness on faith, to know him and the power of resurrection his, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being conformed to his death, If BY ANY MEANS I MAY ARRIVE AT THE RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD." If at all possible, Paul wanted to be dead so that he could "arrive at" the time when the resurrection of the dead saints occurred at Christ's coming.

Did Paul have an idea of the time when his own death and the resurrection would both occur? Yes, he did. Remember, God had told Ananias in Acts 9:16 that He would show Paul "what great things he must suffer for my name's sake". That list of "great things" God showed him would include Paul's martyrdom also. Check out Paul's words in II Timothy 4:1-2a, 6-8 (Interlinear) as Paul sent Timothy his last words from a Roman prison prior to his martyrdom under Nero. "Earnestly testify therefore I before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, WHO IS ABOUT TO JUDGE LIVING AND DEAD according to His appearing and kingdom his, proclaim the word; be urgent in season, out of season, convict, rebuke, encourage...." This proves that the resurrection and the appearing of the Lord Jesus was imminent as he wrote those words to Timothy. He was stressing to Timothy the need for evangelistic urgency because of the soon-coming appearance of Christ.

Then Paul mentions his own fast-approaching death in II Tim. 4:6-9 (Interlinear). "For I already am being poured out, and the time (kairos - season) of my release is come. The combat good I have combated, the course I have finished, the faith I have kept. Henceforth is laid up for me the of righteousness crown, which will render to me the Lord in that day the righteous judge; (the day mentioned in II Tim. 4:1 in which the dead were about to be judged) and not only to me, but also to all who love his appearing. Be diligent to come to me quickly..." The urgency of Paul's words, wishing Timothy "to come before winter" (II Tim. 4:21) and to bring with him the books, the parchments, and the cloak that Paul had left at Troas (II Tim 4:13), shows that this letter to Timothy had to have been written just before winter in AD 66. Paul was martyred in June of AD 67. The resurrection and Christ's appearing happened at Pentecost in AD 70.

Paul may not have known the exact day or the hour of the Lord's appearing beforehand, but he had been told all the signs to look for. We have his record of these signs passed on to the church in II Thessalonians 2, where Paul reminded them of what he had already discussed with them in person. I Thessalonians 5:1 says that the Thessalonians were well aware of "the times and the seasons" of the Day of the Lord, so that it would not overtake them unexpectedly. This was an event that the first-century generation looked for, and would experience in their days.

When Paul spoke in I Thess. 4:15 and 17 of "WE who are alive and remain", he was NOT saying that he expected to be alive at Christ's coming. He was merely speaking as a representative of the church. "Those of our number who are alive and remain" is his intended meaning. It would be the same as a male pastor standing up in front of the church and announcing "WE will have a ladies meeting this coming Wednesday". Is that male pastor including himself as one of the women, and will he be attending the ladies meeting that Wednesday? Hardly.

Tertullian · « **Reply #9 on:** Fri Nov 11, 2016 - 13:00:06 »

Quote from: cwb01 on Sun Feb 01, 2015 - 23:40:57

I Thessalonians 4:15
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

When Paul wrote those words, he was led by the Holy Spirit. Had he meant "those who are alive" , he would have said "those who are alive"

In I Thessalonians 4:15, Paul shows his expectation that he'd be alive to see the coming of the Lord.

Paul was alive at the coming of the Lord. "Coming" is biblical language for judgement. The judgement Jesus spoke of was the destruction of Jerusalem for the Jews rejecting Christ. This judgement, a 7-year tribulation, started in 66 AD, Paul died in 67 AD.

dpr · « **Reply #10 on:** Wed Feb 08, 2017 - 09:40:25 »

Quote from: 4WD on Mon Feb 02, 2015 - 06:11:32

Paul had no way of knowing whether he would be alive or dead at Christ's coming. Even the Holy Spirit did not intend that Paul should ever suggest that the coming of the Lord would not happen before he died. Just the opposite, now as then, all should live and act as if the Lord's coming is in the next instance. Most of us don't really do that very well.

Yeah, but the fact still is, our Lord Jesus' 2nd coming did NOT happen back in Apostle Paul's day. That idea is simply a fabrication from men and not written in God's Word.

robycop3 · « **Reply #11 on:** Sat Dec 21, 2019 - 07:46:19 »

No, the Lord hasn't yet come back, & Paul is no longer alive. Bottom line.

lea · « **Reply #12 on:** Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:05:24 »

The Lord came back and Paul was included in the first resurrection. He may have very well taken John's place to judge the 12 tribes in AD70.

dpr · « **Reply #13 on:** Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 15:17:33 »

This is really CRAZY thread topic!
It has absolutely NO Biblical basis at all. One might as well go ahead and admit their love of a one world government under men with pushing such baloney.

lea · « **Reply #14 on:** Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 18:05:10 »

Quote from: dpr on Sun Apr 26, 2020 - 15:17:33

This is really CRAZY thread topic!
It has absolutely NO Biblical basis at all. One might as well go ahead and admit their love of a one world government under men with pushing such baloney.

Propaganda goes a long way. Like the O.P.

robycop3 · « **Reply #15 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 13:39:58 »

Quote from: lea on Sat Apr 25, 2020 - 14:05:24

The Lord came back and Paul was included in the first resurrection. He may have very well taken John's place to judge the 12 tribes in AD70.

HORSE FEATHERS ! Please show us from the "Jerusalem Daily Planet" where/when Jesus physically, visibly returned !

Rella · « **Reply #16 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 14:26:24 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Sat May 02, 2020 - 13:39:58

HORSE FEATHERS ! Please show us from the "Jerusalem Daily Planet" where/when Jesus physically, visibly returned !

3 Resurrections · « **Reply #17 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 15:52:19 »

WHEN: AD 70 on that year’s Pentecost day, by the date pointed to in Daniel 12:11-13.

The resurrection at Christ’s second coming that Daniel would participate in was 1,335 days after 2 events had taken place within the same season. These two events were namely, #1, the season of the late summer in AD 66 when Eleazar caused the daily sacrifice to cease for Rome and the Roman emperor. Also #2, when the abominable armies (the AOD as interpreted by Luke 21:20) surrounded Jerusalem under Cestius Gallus’ Roman troops, and squared off against the Zealot armies in Jerusalem during the beginning of October of AD 66. At the end of 1,335 days following those two prior events, the Pentecost-day resurrection occurred with the return of Christ.

WHERE: The Mount of Olives, east of the city of Jerusalem’s Temple.

This was prophesied by Zechariah 14:4-5, and was prefigured in Ezekiel 46:1-3 by the people worshipping at the Temple’s eastern gate in the Sabbaths and the new moons. This eastern gate location was the one reserved exclusively for the Prince to use when he entered and left the Temple, and it was shut the rest of the time. This gave a picture of “Messiah the Prince” at His second coming, which would occur while that temple and its eastern gate was still standing (in other words, before the Zealots’ war with Rome and each other resulted in that temple being torn down to the last stone in the late summer of AD 70).

Rella · « **Reply #18 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 16:02:11 »

Since those of you who believe that all that I have been waiting for or expect to happen at some point from this specific moment in time happened in or by 70AD...
What are we supposed to look forward to or what will happen now?

I was told by Jesus in Mathew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

I have been. So I was wasting my time?

Someone tell me what to do or expect now.

lea · « **Reply #19 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 18:01:57 »

Quote from: Rella on Sat May 02, 2020 - 16:02:11

Since those of you who believe that all that I have been waiting for or expect to happen at some point from this specific moment in time happened in or by 70AD...
What are we supposed to look forward to or what will happen now?

I was told by Jesus in Mathew 24:42 Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming.

I have been. So I was wasting my time?

Someone tell me what to do or expect now.

I'm sorry Rella that you seriously believed that for so long. It makes one sound like they are in mourning if Preterism be true. What exactly were you hoping for when Jesus would return as the "Lion of Judah?" The 1st century Christians were believing for Christ to return in their generation.

See, it was their hope that was to be fulfilled - so that salvation could be complete. As in Hebrews where it says "he would appear a second time. Not for sin but for salvation." He appeared to put down apostate Israel, but for the saints it was so they would "inherit the Kingdom."

Anyway, you don't lose any of God's promises for us in this life. Abundant life - you know- "seek first the kingdom of God and all His righteousness and all these things will be added to you." (Matt.6:33)
Eternal life is a tenet of Christianity. St. Paul said if we only have hope in this life - then we are to be pitied. But we don't. That's a real something to hope for!

What I noticed a while back is the wording in Rev.1. 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. emph.mine.

Only the Father knew but the Father is then giving it to Jesus and saying "the things that must shortly take place"- the time is near.

Have a blessed day!

Rella · « **Reply #20 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 19:55:29 »

Quote from: lea on Sat May 02, 2020 - 18:01:57

I'm sorry Rella that you seriously believed that for so long. It makes one sound like they are in mourning if Preterism be true. What exactly were you hoping for when Jesus would return as the "Lion of Judah?" The 1st century Christians were believing for Christ to return in their generation.

See, it was their hope that was to be fulfilled - so that salvation could be complete. As in Hebrews where it says "he would appear a second time. Not for sin but for salvation." He appeared to put down apostate Israel, but for the saints it was so they would "inherit the Kingdom."

Anyway, you don't lose any of God's promises for us in this life. Abundant life - you know- "seek first the kingdom of God and all His righteousness and all these things will be added to you." (Matt.6:33)
Eternal life is a tenet of Christianity. St. Paul said if we only have hope in this life - then we are to be pitied. But we don't. That's a real something to hope for!

What I noticed a while back is the wording in Rev.1. 1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants[a] the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, 2 who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. 3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. emph.mine.

Only the Father knew but the Father is then giving it to Jesus and saying "the things that must shortly take place"- the time is near.

Have a blessed day!

No lea,

Do not be sorry for me because I continue to believe what God has revealed to me in His word.

And that is nowhere in line with your understanding.

You seem to emphasize the word soon in most of your posts.

What you seem to not relate to is that soon to Eternal God who has no beginning and has no end is not necessarily the same as mortal man.To God all of time
is nothing more then a blink of an eye.

I read nothing of Jesus having returned in 70 AD.

Yes, the destruction is well documented and explained in Daniel. But the fulfillment
of things mentioned in Revelation has nothing to do with what historically took place as prophesied in Daniel.

It is commonly agreed John wrote Revelation sometime around 96AD. Long after the destruction of Jerusalem. And Revelation was a prophesy of things to come.

There is much I could say on this,but I will not change your beliefs. And mine are not going to change.

A little light reading for you.

This is a great article explaining Daniel's 70 weeks. Enjoy

https://www.crossway.org/articles/what-are-the-seventy-weeks-of-daniel-daniel-9/

And this is more in line with my beliefs.

https://www.christianity.com/wiki/end-times/what-are-the-70-weeks-of-daniel-what-does-this-end-times-prophecy-mean.html

lea · « **Reply #21 on:** Sat May 02, 2020 - 22:24:59 »

Suit yourself Rella. I hang out with Preterist friends anyway.

Thanks, but no thanks to your futurist articles. I won't be become brainwashed as some are . And I don't believe God tells anyone (even in the Spirit) that Jesus is coming to them again in the future anywhere else but in heaven.

I think it is their imagination because they have been brainwashed with misplaced hope!

robycop3 · « **Reply #22 on:** Sun May 03, 2020 - 16:28:35 »

No, YOU seemtabee brainwashed with pret garbage. Not one legitimate history book on earth, nor the physical & archaeological evidence shows that any of the eschatological events have yet occurred.

Your preterism is based upon conjecture, imagination, & guesswork. It's NOT supported by FACT. If it was, you could tell us who the beast from the sea was, who the false prophet was, what the mark of the beast looked like, when worldwide the great trib occurred, & when JESUS returned, seen by ALL, as He said He would, immediately after the trib. You could tell us when the heavens departed like a scroll rolled up, when all life in the sea dies, etc, etc.

But you can't tell us when any of this happened, for the simple reason it HASN'T HAPPENED YET ! That's an inescapable FACT ! If YOU want to go on believing the trash of those book peddlers who are just out for the $$, go on ! As for me & my house, I SHALL SERVE THE LORD & believe Scripture & history, which is shaped by Scripture.

lea · « **Reply #23 on:** Tue May 05, 2020 - 15:32:17 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 03, 2020 - 16:28:35

No, YOU seemtabee brainwashed with pret garbage. Not one legitimate history book on earth, nor the physical & archaeological evidence shows that any of the eschatological events have yet occurred.

Your preterism is based upon conjecture, imagination, & guesswork. It's NOT supported by FACT. If it was, you could tell us who the beast from the sea was, who the false prophet was, what the mark of the beast looked like, when worldwide the great trib occurred, & when JESUS returned, seen by ALL, as He said He would, immediately after the trib. You could tell us when the heavens departed like a scroll rolled up, when all life in the sea dies, etc, etc.

But you can't tell us when any of this happened, for the simple reason it HASN'T HAPPENED YET ! That's an inescapable FACT ! If YOU want to go on believing the trash of those book peddlers who are just out for the $$, go on ! As for me & my house, I SHALL SERVE THE LORD & believe Scripture & history, which is shaped by Scripture.

Prophecy is not just based on secular fact. One has to have insight and be gifted at knowing Biblical prophecy. Something I have additional talent at and you do not! (for a real, be here now with God's grace fact!)

robycop3 · « **Reply #24 on:** Sat May 09, 2020 - 09:27:53 »

Quote from: lea on Tue May 05, 2020 - 15:32:17

Prophecy is not just based on secular fact. One has to have insight and be gifted at knowing Biblical prophecy. Something I have additional talent at and you do not! (for a real, be here now with God's grace fact!)

HORSE FEATHERS !

You're no more a prophetess than I am a cosmonaut.

God's Biblical prophecies have secular fulfillments, as seen thruout history.

lea · « **Reply #25 on:** Sat May 09, 2020 - 17:29:21 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Sat May 09, 2020 - 09:27:53

HORSE FEATHERS !

You're no more a prophetess than I am a cosmonaut.

God's Biblical prophecies have secular fulfillments, as seen thruout history.

You know nothing about prophecy in the Bible. The O.T. antitypes are fulfilled in the N.T.

Of such, you have no clue what I mean.

robycop3 · « **Reply #26 on:** Sun May 10, 2020 - 08:44:03 »

Quote from: lea on Sat May 09, 2020 - 17:29:21

You know nothing about prophecy in the Bible. The O.T. antitypes are fulfilled in the N.T.

Of such, you have no clue what I mean.

Evidently, I know a lot more about it than you do, as well as knowing more about history & reality. You act as if you've been on quarantine long before covid 19 came along.

lea · « **Reply #27 on:** Mon May 11, 2020 - 14:56:58 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 10, 2020 - 08:44:03

Evidently, I know a lot more about it than you do, as well as knowing more about history & reality. You act as if you've been on quarantine long before covid 19 came along.

No, it's you that has been quarantined at home for a long time just regurgitating the dispensationist, Zionist view online.

Time to do something positive maybe for someone else instead of just blurting your own pessimism?

What good news is EVER in your posts?

robycop3 · « **Reply #28 on:** Tue May 12, 2020 - 05:09:27 »

'Tis not MY pessimism - it's from God's word. Try reading & believing it !

lea · « **Reply #29 on:** Sat May 16, 2020 - 17:27:35 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Tue May 12, 2020 - 05:09:27

'Tis not MY pessimism - it's from God's word. Try reading & believing it !

Anyone can believe anything.

Try posting some "good news" with Biblical support for a change.

robycop3 · « **Reply #30 on:** Sun May 17, 2020 - 12:41:53 »

The "good news" comes after Jesus' return, with the millenium. At its end, a little more bad news, then, the best news of all for Christians !

lea · « **Reply #31 on:** Mon May 18, 2020 - 12:16:24 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 17, 2020 - 12:41:53

The "good news" comes after Jesus' return, with the millenium. At its end, a little more bad news, then, the best news of all for Christians !

What a sorry outlook! Pathetic.

Christians believe the good news of Salvation and grace happened for us a long time ago.

Hard to believe you put your foot in your mouth with that statement.

robycop3 · « **Reply #32 on:** Mon May 18, 2020 - 16:21:04 »

Quote from: lea on Mon May 18, 2020 - 12:16:24

What a sorry outlook! Pathetic.

Christians believe the good news of Salvation and grace happened for us a long time ago.

Hard to believe you put your foot in your mouth with that statement.

Nupe ! try reading Scripture for what it actually says, not what those pret quax tell you it says.

lea · « **Reply #33 on:** Mon May 18, 2020 - 18:39:41 »

Quote from: robycop3 on Sun May 17, 2020 - 12:41:53

The "good news" comes after Jesus' return, with the millenium. At its end, a little more bad news, then, the best news of all for Christians !

That's super-pathetic.

The Good news is now. You really don't know anything about Soteriology either.

robycop3 · « **Reply #34 on:** Thu May 21, 2020 - 05:01:26 »

Quote from: lea on Mon May 18, 2020 - 18:39:41

That's super-pathetic.

The Good news is now. You really don't know anything about Soteriology either.

Yes, the GOSPEL is our "Good News". But its complete fulfillment won't come til after a time of great trouble on earth, and a millenium during which mortals shall live free of Satan.

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LexKnight