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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #30 on: April 04, 2012, 01:41:02 PM »
Lehigh:
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
What is your point with this verse?

Read the preceeding posts.

Do you know what Paul meant by "that which is perfect?

Yes that which is perfect is when we are glorified in Gods Kingdom, it happens at the rapture, then we will know as we are known, we will  see Him, and be just like Him.

You didn't know that did you, It hasn't happened yet.
1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.


Much to the contrary, it has happened. You just need to realize the correct interpretation of what Paul wrote. Let me know if you understand it better after you read it and meditate on it a couple of times, ok?


By David A. Green

    If there are prophecies, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; or knowledge, it will be done away.  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part; but when that which is perfect comes, that which is in part will be done away.  When I was a child, I used to speak as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.  For now we see in a mirror, in an enigma, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I shall fully know just as I am fully known.

I Cor. 13:8-12 - That Which Is Perfect


    In the above passage of Scripture the Apostle Paul taught that at the coming of "that which is perfect," three things were to happen:  "Prophecies" would be abolished, "knowledge" (supernaturally revealed knowledge) would be abolished, and "tongues" (supernaturally acquired speaking of languages) would cease.  "Prophecies," "knowledge," and "tongues" were things that were "in part," incomplete or imperfect.  Paul compared having them to still being a child and to looking through a mirror dimly instead of face to face.  Whereas the doing away of those things was to mean the coming of completeness or maturity.

    Based on Paul's words in this passage, the only question as to whether or not the gift of "tongues" exists today as it did in Bible times is a question of timing: Has "that which is perfect" come?  If it has, then tongues have ceased.  But if "that which is perfect" has not yet come, then tongues have not ceased and God has meant for tongues to continue on throughout the centuries as a normal practice in the Church up to our present day.

    First, to determine whether or not "that which is perfect" has come we must determine exactly what "that which is perfect" is.  The Greek word for "perfect" here is telios, and it means "complete," "full grown" or "mature"; it refers to something which has been brought to its end or goal.  Paul was looking forward to a coming maturity or completeness.

    There are two other places in the New Testament which speak of that perfection to which Paul and the 1st-century Church were hoping to attain.  From those two passages and their contexts we will be able to determine exactly what "that which is perfect" was to be, and also when it was to come.  The two references are Eph. 4:13 and Heb. 9:11.  Let's look at Eph. 4:13 first:

 
  There are two other places in the New Testament which speak of that perfection to which Paul and the 1st-century Church were hoping to attain.  From those two passages and their contexts we will be able to determine exactly what "that which is perfect" was to be, and also when it was to come.  The two references are Eph. 4:13 and Heb. 9:11.  Let's look at Eph. 4:13 first:

 

    Ephesians 4:13
    The Perfect Man, The Temple of God


        "...until we all may come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full-grown [TELIOS] man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ...."

    Here we see that "that which is perfect" was to be the full-grown Body of Christ, the mature Church.  God was building up Christ's Body, the Church, through the gifts of the Holy Spirit to the end that the Church would grow up in Christ-likeness unto the mature or perfect (telios) Man (Eph. 4:11-13). [in AD70]

    And Eph. 2:21 teaches us exactly what this final perfection of the Body of Christ was to mean:  When the Church finally reached maturity or perfection through the gifts of the Holy Spirit, it was to become God's Temple.  Through the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the Church was "being built together into a Dwelling-place of God in the Spirit" (Eph. 2:22).  The Apostle Peter also referred to that future perfection when he wrote, "...you also as living stones are being built a spiritual house...." (I Peter 2:25)

    "That which is perfect" then was to come by means of the Holy Spirit and was to be the consummation of the work of the Holy Spirit.  The gifts of the Holy Spirit were given to the end that the Body of Christ (the Church) would eventually become the perfect (telios) Dwelling/Temple/Tabernacle of God.

    Now according to the Bible, when exactly in history was the work of the Holy Spirit in perfecting the Body of Christ to be consummated or finished so that the perfect Temple of God would be come in its fullness bringing about the cessation of tongues?  To answer this, let's look at the final New Testament reference to the coming of "that which is perfect."


http://www.preteristarchive.com/Hyper/0000_green_tongues.html

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #31 on: April 04, 2012, 02:13:57 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #32 on: April 04, 2012, 02:32:06 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!

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I am not living in hell and if this is heaven then God lied and God is not a liar!!!

Pro 1:23  Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you, I will make known my words unto you.

1Jn 2:27  But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #33 on: April 04, 2012, 02:49:20 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!



      And there!!  ::nana::

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #34 on: April 04, 2012, 05:26:05 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!
  No one said people do not speak in tongues at all today. And I have had revelatory words of knowledge. But infrequent "gifts" are not the same as the en masse giving of the supernatural gifts that were manifest in the first century, in the time of the emergent church.
 
Notice at the summary of the article the author says:

    Now if we no longer live in the era of covenantal transition wherein God was changing His dwelling from the symbolic, man-made temple to the true, heavenly Temple in the heart of His redeemed people; and if the destruction of unbelieving, old covenant Israel and its imperfect temple took place in A.D. 70, then it is manifest that tongues ceased by A.D. 70.

    Does this mean that no one ever speaks in tongues today?  Surely, if God wants someone to miraculously speak in another language, then that's what God will cause to happen.  God can do whatever He wants.  But the question should not be so much whether or not anyone ever speaks in another language by the Spirit of God today; the question should be whether or not Christians speak in tongues en masse as they did in the first century.

    It has been taught by some lately that God has re-poured His Spirit upon all flesh and has re-started the first-century tongues movement in our day because we are now, again, in "the last days."  But why would God return His people to those imperfect, partial things which were to exist only while the old testament form of worship was still being imposed upon fleshly Israel in its last waning years?  Are we to believe that God will return His people to the days of the child (the old testament age; cf. Gal. 4:1-7)?  Will we have to go back to the days of transition (from Biblical Judaism to Christianity, from old covenant to New Covenant) when God's people saw Christ as through a mirror in dimness and not face to face as we do now since Christ long ago removed the veil at the Consummation of the old-testament age in A.D. 70 (II Cor. 3:13-16)

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #35 on: April 04, 2012, 05:45:40 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!
  No one said people do not speak in tongues at all today. And I have had revelatory words of knowledge. But infrequent "gifts" are not the same as the en masse giving of the supernatural gifts that were manifest in the first century, in the time of the emergent church.
 
Notice at the summary of the article the author says:

    Now if we no longer live in the era of covenantal transition wherein God was changing His dwelling from the symbolic, man-made temple to the true, heavenly Temple in the heart of His redeemed people; and if the destruction of unbelieving, old covenant Israel and its imperfect temple took place in A.D. 70, then it is manifest that tongues ceased by A.D. 70.

    Does this mean that no one ever speaks in tongues today?  Surely, if God wants someone to miraculously speak in another language, then that's what God will cause to happen.  God can do whatever He wants.  But the question should not be so much whether or not anyone ever speaks in another language by the Spirit of God today; the question should be whether or not Christians speak in tongues en masse as they did in the first century.

    It has been taught by some lately that God has re-poured His Spirit upon all flesh and has re-started the first-century tongues movement in our day because we are now, again, in "the last days."  But why would God return His people to those imperfect, partial things which were to exist only while the old testament form of worship was still being imposed upon fleshly Israel in its last waning years?  Are we to believe that God will return His people to the days of the child (the old testament age; cf. Gal. 4:1-7)?  Will we have to go back to the days of transition (from Biblical Judaism to Christianity, from old covenant to New Covenant) when God's people saw Christ as through a mirror in dimness and not face to face as we do now since Christ long ago removed the veil at the Consummation of the old-testament age in A.D. 70 (II Cor. 3:13-16)


So what do you believe tongues was for then and now?

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« Reply #36 on: April 04, 2012, 08:19:03 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!
  No one said people do not speak in tongues at all today. And I have had revelatory words of knowledge. But infrequent "gifts" are not the same as the en masse giving of the supernatural gifts that were manifest in the first century, in the time of the emergent church.
 
Notice at the summary of the article the author says:

    Now if we no longer live in the era of covenantal transition wherein God was changing His dwelling from the symbolic, man-made temple to the true, heavenly Temple in the heart of His redeemed people; and if the destruction of unbelieving, old covenant Israel and its imperfect temple took place in A.D. 70, then it is manifest that tongues ceased by A.D. 70.

    Does this mean that no one ever speaks in tongues today?  Surely, if God wants someone to miraculously speak in another language, then that's what God will cause to happen.  God can do whatever He wants.  But the question should not be so much whether or not anyone ever speaks in another language by the Spirit of God today; the question should be whether or not Christians speak in tongues en masse as they did in the first century.

    It has been taught by some lately that God has re-poured His Spirit upon all flesh and has re-started the first-century tongues movement in our day because we are now, again, in "the last days."  But why would God return His people to those imperfect, partial things which were to exist only while the old testament form of worship was still being imposed upon fleshly Israel in its last waning years?  Are we to believe that God will return His people to the days of the child (the old testament age; cf. Gal. 4:1-7)?  Will we have to go back to the days of transition (from Biblical Judaism to Christianity, from old covenant to New Covenant) when God's people saw Christ as through a mirror in dimness and not face to face as we do now since Christ long ago removed the veil at the Consummation of the old-testament age in A.D. 70 (II Cor. 3:13-16)


So what do you believe tongues was for then and now?

It was a sign for unbelievers for evidence of the Holy Spirit.  And I think today it just edifies one's own spirit, if without the ability to interpret "tongues."  Either way, it is still a sign of the Holy Spirit being present.

I think there are some gifts of the Spirit today, but the miraculous gifts of the apostles, like raising the dead and instantly healing the sick, was a power limited to the witnesses for Christ and given by Him directly.

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #37 on: April 04, 2012, 08:28:37 PM »
Word of knowledge, prophecy and tongues have not been done away with!

The meaning of prophecy...speak for another...So it could mean to Speak for God or be His spokesman. To edify, exhort and comfort.  Why would this be done away with?

It is a word of knowledge...a word is a fragmentary part of a sentence, so a word of knowledge would be a fragmentary part of the entire knowledge or counsel of God...not complete knowledge! God is all knowing, He has all knowledge. God still speaks to people and gives us a word of knowledge...a supernatural revelation by the Holy Spirit of certain facts in the mind of God.

When we see Him face to face and we are changed into His image...then we will know completley! We are still being built up in our faith!
  No one said people do not speak in tongues at all today. And I have had revelatory words of knowledge. But infrequent "gifts" are not the same as the en masse giving of the supernatural gifts that were manifest in the first century, in the time of the emergent church.
 
Notice at the summary of the article the author says:

    Now if we no longer live in the era of covenantal transition wherein God was changing His dwelling from the symbolic, man-made temple to the true, heavenly Temple in the heart of His redeemed people; and if the destruction of unbelieving, old covenant Israel and its imperfect temple took place in A.D. 70, then it is manifest that tongues ceased by A.D. 70.

    Does this mean that no one ever speaks in tongues today?  Surely, if God wants someone to miraculously speak in another language, then that's what God will cause to happen.  God can do whatever He wants.  But the question should not be so much whether or not anyone ever speaks in another language by the Spirit of God today; the question should be whether or not Christians speak in tongues en masse as they did in the first century.

    It has been taught by some lately that God has re-poured His Spirit upon all flesh and has re-started the first-century tongues movement in our day because we are now, again, in "the last days."  But why would God return His people to those imperfect, partial things which were to exist only while the old testament form of worship was still being imposed upon fleshly Israel in its last waning years?  Are we to believe that God will return His people to the days of the child (the old testament age; cf. Gal. 4:1-7)?  Will we have to go back to the days of transition (from Biblical Judaism to Christianity, from old covenant to New Covenant) when God's people saw Christ as through a mirror in dimness and not face to face as we do now since Christ long ago removed the veil at the Consummation of the old-testament age in A.D. 70 (II Cor. 3:13-16)


So what do you believe tongues was for then and now?

It was a sign for unbelievers for evidence of the Holy Spirit.  And I think today it just edifies one's own spirit, if without the ability to interpret "tongues."  Either way, it is still a sign of the Holy Spirit being present.

I think there are some gifts of the Spirit today, but the miraculous gifts of the apostles, like raising the dead and instantly healing the sick, was a power limited to the witnesses for Christ and given by Him directly.

How do you determine what gifts are here and those that are not? Is there a scripture that says that some are gone?


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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #38 on: April 04, 2012, 09:01:32 PM »

There is really not a short answer for that but I'll try to summarize.
Not only were there gifts of the Holy Spirit, but Christ gave gifts to the church also. [Eph. 4:11]

As there are no more "apostles. " There are no more "prophets" either.  The miraculous gifts ceased with the firstfruits of the Holy Spirit.

Some of the gifts are witnessed today, but since the church reached its maturity in AD70, these gifts are infrequent compared to the church militant in the first century.

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #39 on: April 04, 2012, 09:18:24 PM »

There is really not a short answer for that but I'll try to summarize.
Not only were there gifts of the Holy Spirit, but Christ gave gifts to the church also. [Eph. 4:11]

As there are no more "apostles. " There are no more "prophets" either.  The miraculous gifts ceased with the firstfruits of the Holy Spirit.

Some of the gifts are witnessed today, but since the church reached its maturity in AD70, these gifts are infrequent compared to the church militant in the first century.

So there are no scriptures to back up why you believe this? Where does it say the church reached its maturity in AD70?

Didn't Philip do miracles in Acts 8:5,6? Was he an apostle? What about Steven in Acts 6:8? Or Barnabas in Acts 15:12?

A miracle - a supernatural intervention in the ordinary course of nature, a tempoerary suspension of the accustomed arder, or an interruption in the system of nature as we know it, operated by the power of the Holy Spirit. Would you agree with this definition?

Example: Water turned into wine by the aging process is a process of nature. But water turned into wine just by speaking a word like Jesus did in John 2:1-11 is a miracle.

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2012, 08:51:41 AM »
Lehigh,
This is why you cannot come to the truth and hear the truth, because you have rejected the way God does things.  God will always call whomever He chooses to be apostles, and prophets.  He will send them with a message but if you already have it set up in your mind to shut out the voice of God through them, then you will not hear and not receive the truth and you will remain in deception.  I have always encouraged people to seek God alone in quiet time with their bible and seek with all your heart and wait for Him to start revealing Himself.  He does, if you will open up your heart to Him on His terms.  He will always be the sovereign Lord and Master.  He is not a man.  He is the creator.  He is the Potter and we are only the clay.  We can only posses His knowledge and truth if it is by His hand.  His ways are higher and His ways are not our ways.  We are flesh and we are men.  We must humble ourselves before the Lord and seek His kingdom truths with all our hearts.  But the important part is to not overstep the Lord in pride.  If we wait in sincere reverence and respect of the Lord, then He will answer.  We cannot get anxious and make up our own answers.  The Holy Spirit must reveal it, and when He does, you will know it.  And even more importantly, we must first come to the Lord in humble repentence of sin and acknowledge our depravity before him, and that we are poor in spirit.  If we truly have the right heart before the Lord, He will help us.  If you lack the right heart, then pray that He grant you this and grant you the gift of repentence, and that He grant you the ability to hear Him and only His voice as you walk.  This is the faith you walk by.  Be in continuous prayer with Him as you go, and put everything you hear under His authority and ask Him to reveal the true from the false.  This you must believe in, God's words are true, real, and alive.   

Matthew 6

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 7

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.



Go to these scriptures and read what is written before and after them as well.  Then, go about your way and doing what it says and God will show up.  If you want to know the truth first hand, from the creator of it, do this, and you will be blessed. 

I pray an annointing on this, and God's Love to you,

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2012, 09:52:44 AM »
lehigh,
This is the "Humility" I am talking about in the previous post.  These little ones that believe in Him are His "Apostles" and "Prophets".  If you receive them, you will be blessed.  These "Little Ones" hear from God and give the message.  They exist today.  But you will find "One" among "Ten" false prophets today because we are in those days close to when Christ will come to establish his kingdom.  If you receive His Kingdom now, you will receive it in eternal life.

Matthew 18:
1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.

6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!

8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast [them] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.

9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.

10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.

11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.


Mark 9:

36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,

37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.

38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.

39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

41 For whosoever shall give you a cup of water to drink in my name, because ye belong to Christ, verily I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.

42 And whosoever shall offend one of [these] little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.

43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.


Hear what Jesus is saying! 

The way the scripture reads is that it is a direct offence to God if He is not received by way of His prophets and Apostles.  Just remember that not everyone is sent from God.  You must let God show you who is and who is not, after you seek Him the way I have described in the previous post.

I have put this forth in the hope that you will be drawn to God's Kingdom, and hunger and thirst for Righteousness, so that you will find it.

God Bless You Lehigh





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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2012, 04:51:04 PM »
Lehigh:
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
What is your point with this verse?

Read the preceeding posts.

Do you know what Paul meant by "that which is perfect?

Yes that which is perfect is when we are glorified in Gods Kingdom, it happens at the rapture, then we will know as we are known, we will  see Him, and be just like Him.

You didn't know that did you, It hasn't happened yet.
1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Much to the contrary, it has happened. You just need to realize the correct interpretation of what Paul wrote. Let me know if you understand it better after you read it and meditate on it a couple of times, ok?




 ::noworries:: The know it alls here know little.

Lehigh

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2012, 09:43:24 AM »
Lehigh:
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
What is your point with this verse?

Read the preceeding posts.

Do you know what Paul meant by "that which is perfect?

Yes that which is perfect is when we are glorified in Gods Kingdom, it happens at the rapture, then we will know as we are known, we will  see Him, and be just like Him.

You didn't know that did you, It hasn't happened yet.
1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Much to the contrary, it has happened. You just need to realize the correct interpretation of what Paul wrote. Let me know if you understand it better after you read it and meditate on it a couple of times, ok?




 ::noworries:: The know it alls here know little.
 

That's the beauty of doing one's own studying.  You don't have to remain stuck with what tradition may have taught you, especially if they preached prophecy to you instead of glorifying God in the Faith.


Lehigh

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Re: The just shall live by Faith, not prophecy!
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2012, 10:16:06 AM »
Lehigh,
This is why you cannot come to the truth and hear the truth, because you have rejected the way God does things.  God will always call whomever He chooses to be apostles, and prophets.  He will send them with a message but if you already have it set up in your mind to shut out the voice of God through them, then you will not hear and not receive the truth and you will remain in deception.  I have always encouraged people to seek God alone in quiet time with their bible and seek with all your heart and wait for Him to start revealing Himself.  He does, if you will open up your heart to Him on His terms.  He will always be the sovereign Lord and Master.  He is not a man.  He is the creator.  He is the Potter and we are only the clay.  We can only posses His knowledge and truth if it is by His hand.  His ways are higher and His ways are not our ways.  We are flesh and we are men.  We must humble ourselves before the Lord and seek His kingdom truths with all our hearts.  But the important part is to not overstep the Lord in pride.  If we wait in sincere reverence and respect of the Lord, then He will answer.  We cannot get anxious and make up our own answers.  The Holy Spirit must reveal it, and when He does, you will know it.  And even more importantly, we must first come to the Lord in humble repentence of sin and acknowledge our depravity before him, and that we are poor in spirit.  If we truly have the right heart before the Lord, He will help us.  If you lack the right heart, then pray that He grant you this and grant you the gift of repentence, and that He grant you the ability to hear Him and only His voice as you walk.  This is the faith you walk by.  Be in continuous prayer with Him as you go, and put everything you hear under His authority and ask Him to reveal the true from the false.  This you must believe in, God's words are true, real, and alive.   

Matthew 6

33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Matthew 7

7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.



Go to these scriptures and read what is written before and after them as well.  Then, go about your way and doing what it says and God will show up.  If you want to know the truth first hand, from the creator of it, do this, and you will be blessed. 

I pray an annointing on this, and God's Love to you,

Godlovejoy  ::prayinghard::

 


2Cor.12:9 KJV

And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.


God Bless you too!