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"One Baptism"
« on: January 11, 2012, 03:48:43 AM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2012, 10:15:42 AM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.
There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.  So which one is Paul talking about in Ephesians 4:5.  I believe he is talking about both of them as two aspects of a single event.  Acts 2:38 promises that when we are baptized we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.  Therefore there is a physical aspect of baptism (water) and a spiritual aspect of baptism (the Holy Spirit), but there is only one baptism.

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« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2012, 10:26:02 AM »

(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

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« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2012, 10:31:35 AM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

There is little merit in the argument that Matt 28:19-20 is not water baptism, since even the apostles were really not capable of performing any other.

And just what is the "Apostles Decree"?  And what does anyone care that something is or isn't mentioned in it?

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« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2012, 10:42:41 AM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

Jimmy: There is little merit in the argument that Matt 28:19-20 is not water baptism, since even the apostles were really not capable of performing any other.

And just what is the "Apostles Decree"?  And what does anyone care that something is or isn't mentioned in it?

DigitalAttorney: The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2012, 04:37:57 PM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.



"And so you have read that the three witness in bpatism are one: the water, the blood, and the Spirit, for if you take away one of these, the sacrament of baptism does not stand. (3) For what is water without the cross of Christ except a common element without any sacramental effect? And again without water there is no mystery and of regeneration. For 'unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God'(4)"

(3) 1John 5:8
(4) John 3:5

St. Ambrose of Milan


You guys are basically butchering the rite of baptism arguing two separate rites of water and Holy Spirit when the single rite of baptism is predicated on the synergy of all three.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2012, 05:10:06 PM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2012, 05:23:29 PM »
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DigitalAttorney: "rites" (traditions) mean nothing. Faith saves. And if one knows how to rightly divide the word of truth, nothing is butchered, but all becomes fluent.

I'm going to disregard that.

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(John 3:4-5) Nicodemus said to Him, How is a man able to be generated, being old? He is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated out of water and Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

Where do I find this water since a man is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born?

(John 7:38) Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

You mean this water comes from "belief"?

Yes.

Look at the chapters. You are simply jumping verses and trying to connect two unrelated verses using "water" to discredit the unity of rite of baptism.

The grab and pull is unimpressive.



John 13:5afterward he putteth water into the basin, and began to wash the feet of his disciples, and to wipe with the towel with which he was being girded.

John 13:8Peter saith to him, `Thou mayest not wash my feet -- to the age.' Jesus answered him, `If I may not wash thee, thou hast no part with me;'


Christ used water.

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Hebrews 11:6) And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

As for your "rites", traditions mean nothing. Faith saves.

(Luke 7:50) But He said to the woman, Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.


Show me where there is water included in the woman's salvation.

You're grabbing and pulling...again.

This was before the rite of baptism was even created. Want to try again?

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« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2012, 05:35:04 PM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2012, 05:51:21 PM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2012, 06:02:21 PM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2012, 11:16:25 AM »

(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.
In fact Jesus did command baptism with water (see Matthew 28:19-20).  Unless you think the men are capable of baptizing people with the Holy Spirit.  No baptism but literal baptism in water can be inferred from Matthew 28:19-20.

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« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.



"And so you have read that the three witness in bpatism are one: the water, the blood, and the Spirit, for if you take away one of these, the sacrament of baptism does not stand. (3) For what is water without the cross of Christ except a common element without any sacramental effect? And again without water there is no mystery and of regeneration. For 'unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God'(4)"

(3) 1John 5:8
(4) John 3:5

St. Ambrose of Milan


You guys are basically butchering the rite of baptism arguing two separate rites of water and Holy Spirit when the single rite of baptism is predicated on the synergy of all three.
But you forgot the baptism of repentance!  Now there's 3! 

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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2012, 10:25:06 PM »
I've always been impressed with the stories of conversion in the book of Acts. In chapter 8 beginning in verse 34 "the eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?

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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 08:27:45 AM »
 ::amen!::   ::tippinghat::   ::reading::   ::eatingpopcorn: