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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #15 on: January 26, 2012, 09:53:04 AM »
I've always been impressed with the stories of conversion in the book of Acts. In chapter 8 beginning in verse 34 "the eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2012, 10:22:15 AM »
DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

Jesus told the apostles to teach and baptize, but they learned later it was not necessary at all? I don't understand.
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #17 on: January 30, 2012, 10:37:44 AM »
Water Baptism for the remission of sins is the occasion, the point in time at which the benefits of the
work of Christ are conveyed to the repentant sinner.
(a) Union with Christ: Galatians 3:27; (b) Justification: Acts 3:38; (c) Regeneration: Colossians 2:12;
(d) Sanctification: Romans 6:3-11.

A candidate for baptism; a repentant adult.
The requirements of understanding faith ( Matthew 28:19, 20 ) would exclude infants.
Infant baptism was introduced by Augustine as the logical requirement of "original sin" by the RCC.
Adhering to Augustine's theory that Adam before the fall was righteous.
After the fall, old daddy Adam's human nature became corrupt.

By this, Augustine believed in complete moral inability ( total depravity ).
The RCC and all Protestant churches ( Calvin and the Reformers ) teach that man has inherited Adam's sin,
therefore, man must be forgiven through a miraculous infusion of the Holy Spirit.

Why? because Augustine believed that man cannot on his own merit do anything toward his salvation.
This reflects his neo-Platonist belief of "dualism." metaphysical dualism. epistemological dualism.
and anthropological dualism.

An infant baptized in the RCC has received the vehicle of God's prevenient grace.
The child at baptism is miraculously infused with the grace of God and thereby has the ability to cooperate
with God in salvation.
Reflecting Plato's antropological dualism for attainment both of knowledge and of virtue which depends on
lessening the power of the body over the soul.

Immersion in water by a repentant believer for the remission of sins would be seen as a "work"
by those who have been "miraculously infused" with faith, justification, sanctification, and of course perseverance
as formulated in Catholicism and Protestantism.

This of course leads into the doctrine of the Sacraments believed to be the "vehicle of grace" in Catholicism.
and in Protestantism "a visible sign of an invisible grace."

 

 

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2012, 04:47:12 PM »
what can you go over that again in hillbilly talk so i might understand just what it is you said.

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« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 05:58:29 AM »
yogi: "what can you go over that again in hillbilly talk so i might understand just what it is you said.'

Awh... come on yogi...you gotta have the Holy Ghost to sort that out...lol

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2012, 05:30:24 PM »
gottcha me gonna pray real hard for that there  Holy Ghost baptism caussin it must of overlooked me

Dats all I gotta say bout dat

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2012, 06:24:11 PM »
 Hi , and you are right on !!

 Acts 2:38 was for the Jews forgiveness of the Crucfixation of Jesus and only could be forgiven during the apostles time .

 Baptism was given to Israel as John 1:31 says , that John was BAPTIZING   to make Jesus known to Israel .

 Baptizers have no verse to  PIN  water baptism on Gentiles !!

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« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2012, 09:42:10 AM »
Hi , and you are right on !!

 Acts 2:38 was for the Jews forgiveness of the Crucfixation of Jesus and only could be forgiven during the apostles time .

 Baptism was given to Israel as John 1:31 says , that John was BAPTIZING   to make Jesus known to Israel .

 Baptizers have no verse to  PIN  water baptism on Gentiles !!

 dan p

The water baptism of Acts 2:38 is the water baptism of the great commission, Lk 24:47; Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16 and this baptism is for 'all the world', 'every creature', and 'all nations' and this includes the Gentiles.  Peter took this great commission baptism to the Gentiles in Acts 10:47.48.  Furthermore, in Acts 15:11 Peter said that Jew and Gentile are saved "in like manner".  So the Gentiles are saved in like manner as the Jews were in Acts 2:38.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2012, 09:46:22 AM »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.

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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2012, 09:57:02 AM »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.
Lets hope you are right cause lets face it whether you want to believe it or not it is a life or death situation

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« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2012, 10:05:00 AM »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.
Lets hope you are right cause lets face it whether you want to believe it or not it is a life or death situation

I don't disregard baptism.  I believe that those who separate baptism from faith with a sinners prayers or five steps miss the point.  I believe that those who focus on "the remission of sins" miss the "in the name of Jesus Christ" or the "calling on His name."

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2012, 10:33:17 AM »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.

It's prescriptive.

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« Reply #27 on: February 09, 2012, 10:53:44 AM »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.

It's prescriptive.

You sir, are in error.

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« Reply #28 on: February 09, 2012, 11:29:24 AM »
Quote from: Alfred Combes

You sir, are in error.

Am I in error because of your unsubstantiated claim that Acts is descriptive and not prescriptive?

In Acts 2:38, baptism for the remission of sins is prescriptive.  Where does the bible ever say this prescription ever ended?

2 Tim 3:16,17 "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


Acts 2:38 is doctrine, it is for instruction in righteousness.  What verse says it is only descriptive and not applicable today?

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« Reply #29 on: February 09, 2012, 11:44:38 AM »
Gomer, they use that ruse to get around the fact that Paul kept the feasts, participated in Temple worship and supported Jews continuing to follow the Law of Moses, as opposed to Gentiles which did none of those things. 

I suppose if you think that it is just a historical record of mistakes you can get around a lot of stuff.....