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"One Baptism"
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(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 11:15:42 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.
There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.  So which one is Paul talking about in Ephesians 4:5.  I believe he is talking about both of them as two aspects of a single event.  Acts 2:38 promises that when we are baptized we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.  Therefore there is a physical aspect of baptism (water) and a spiritual aspect of baptism (the Holy Spirit), but there is only one baptism.

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« Reply #2 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 11:26:02 »

(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

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« Reply #3 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 11:31:35 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

There is little merit in the argument that Matt 28:19-20 is not water baptism, since even the apostles were really not capable of performing any other.

And just what is the "Apostles Decree"?  And what does anyone care that something is or isn't mentioned in it?

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« Reply #4 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 11:42:41 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

Jimmy: There is little merit in the argument that Matt 28:19-20 is not water baptism, since even the apostles were really not capable of performing any other.

And just what is the "Apostles Decree"?  And what does anyone care that something is or isn't mentioned in it?

DigitalAttorney: The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #5 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 17:37:57 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.



"And so you have read that the three witness in bpatism are one: the water, the blood, and the Spirit, for if you take away one of these, the sacrament of baptism does not stand. (3) For what is water without the cross of Christ except a common element without any sacramental effect? And again without water there is no mystery and of regeneration. For 'unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God'(4)"

(3) 1John 5:8
(4) John 3:5

St. Ambrose of Milan


You guys are basically butchering the rite of baptism arguing two separate rites of water and Holy Spirit when the single rite of baptism is predicated on the synergy of all three.

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« Reply #6 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 18:10:06 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #7 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 18:23:29 »
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DigitalAttorney: "rites" (traditions) mean nothing. Faith saves. And if one knows how to rightly divide the word of truth, nothing is butchered, but all becomes fluent.

I'm going to disregard that.

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(John 3:4-5) Nicodemus said to Him, How is a man able to be generated, being old? He is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born? Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, If one is not generated out of water and Spirit, he is not able to enter into the kingdom of God.

Where do I find this water since a man is not able to enter into his mother's womb a second time and be born?

(John 7:38) Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, streams of living water will flow from within him."

You mean this water comes from "belief"?

Yes.

Look at the chapters. You are simply jumping verses and trying to connect two unrelated verses using "water" to discredit the unity of rite of baptism.

The grab and pull is unimpressive.



John 13:5afterward he putteth water into the basin, and began to wash the feet of his disciples, and to wipe with the towel with which he was being girded.

John 13:8Peter saith to him, `Thou mayest not wash my feet -- to the age.' Jesus answered him, `If I may not wash thee, thou hast no part with me;'


Christ used water.

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Hebrews 11:6) And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

As for your "rites", traditions mean nothing. Faith saves.

(Luke 7:50) But He said to the woman, Your faith has saved you. Go in peace.


Show me where there is water included in the woman's salvation.

You're grabbing and pulling...again.

This was before the rite of baptism was even created. Want to try again?

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« Reply #8 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 18:35:04 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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« Reply #9 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 18:51:21 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #10 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 19:02:21 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law
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« Reply #11 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 12:16:25 »

(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

greatdivide46: There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.

DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.
In fact Jesus did command baptism with water (see Matthew 28:19-20).  Unless you think the men are capable of baptizing people with the Holy Spirit.  No baptism but literal baptism in water can be inferred from Matthew 28:19-20.

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« Reply #12 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 14:58:39 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.



"And so you have read that the three witness in bpatism are one: the water, the blood, and the Spirit, for if you take away one of these, the sacrament of baptism does not stand. (3) For what is water without the cross of Christ except a common element without any sacramental effect? And again without water there is no mystery and of regeneration. For 'unless a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God'(4)"

(3) 1John 5:8
(4) John 3:5

St. Ambrose of Milan


You guys are basically butchering the rite of baptism arguing two separate rites of water and Holy Spirit when the single rite of baptism is predicated on the synergy of all three.
But you forgot the baptism of repentance!  Now there's 3! 

[runningmeaninglesslyincircles] What will we do?!? [/runningmeaninglesslyincircles]


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« Reply #13 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 23:25:06 »
I've always been impressed with the stories of conversion in the book of Acts. In chapter 8 beginning in verse 34 "the eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Jan 23, 2012 - 09:27:45 »
 ::amen!::   ::tippinghat::   ::reading::   ::eatingpopcorn:

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« Reply #15 on: Thu Jan 26, 2012 - 10:53:04 »
I've always been impressed with the stories of conversion in the book of Acts. In chapter 8 beginning in verse 34 "the eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, please, who is the prophet talking about, himself or someone else?

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« Reply #16 on: Sat Jan 28, 2012 - 11:22:15 »
DigitalAttorney: Our Lord, Jesus Christ, never commanded baptism with water. Some of the Apostles clearly learned later on that what they thought was necessary (the water baptism they were familiar with and as John had been doing) was not necessary at all. Hence you never once find it mentioned in the Apostles Decree which was written many years after they began their commission.

Jesus told the apostles to teach and baptize, but they learned later it was not necessary at all? I don't understand.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Jan 30, 2012 - 11:37:44 »
Water Baptism for the remission of sins is the occasion, the point in time at which the benefits of the
work of Christ are conveyed to the repentant sinner.
(a) Union with Christ: Galatians 3:27; (b) Justification: Acts 3:38; (c) Regeneration: Colossians 2:12;
(d) Sanctification: Romans 6:3-11.

A candidate for baptism; a repentant adult.
The requirements of understanding faith ( Matthew 28:19, 20 ) would exclude infants.
Infant baptism was introduced by Augustine as the logical requirement of "original sin" by the RCC.
Adhering to Augustine's theory that Adam before the fall was righteous.
After the fall, old daddy Adam's human nature became corrupt.

By this, Augustine believed in complete moral inability ( total depravity ).
The RCC and all Protestant churches ( Calvin and the Reformers ) teach that man has inherited Adam's sin,
therefore, man must be forgiven through a miraculous infusion of the Holy Spirit.

Why? because Augustine believed that man cannot on his own merit do anything toward his salvation.
This reflects his neo-Platonist belief of "dualism." metaphysical dualism. epistemological dualism.
and anthropological dualism.

An infant baptized in the RCC has received the vehicle of God's prevenient grace.
The child at baptism is miraculously infused with the grace of God and thereby has the ability to cooperate
with God in salvation.
Reflecting Plato's antropological dualism for attainment both of knowledge and of virtue which depends on
lessening the power of the body over the soul.

Immersion in water by a repentant believer for the remission of sins would be seen as a "work"
by those who have been "miraculously infused" with faith, justification, sanctification, and of course perseverance
as formulated in Catholicism and Protestantism.

This of course leads into the doctrine of the Sacraments believed to be the "vehicle of grace" in Catholicism.
and in Protestantism "a visible sign of an invisible grace."

 

 

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« Reply #18 on: Tue Jan 31, 2012 - 17:47:12 »
what can you go over that again in hillbilly talk so i might understand just what it is you said.

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« Reply #19 on: Wed Feb 01, 2012 - 06:58:29 »
yogi: "what can you go over that again in hillbilly talk so i might understand just what it is you said.'

Awh... come on yogi...you gotta have the Holy Ghost to sort that out...lol

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Feb 01, 2012 - 18:30:24 »
gottcha me gonna pray real hard for that there  Holy Ghost baptism caussin it must of overlooked me

Dats all I gotta say bout dat

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Feb 08, 2012 - 19:24:11 »
 Hi , and you are right on !!

 Acts 2:38 was for the Jews forgiveness of the Crucfixation of Jesus and only could be forgiven during the apostles time .

 Baptism was given to Israel as John 1:31 says , that John was BAPTIZING   to make Jesus known to Israel .

 Baptizers have no verse to  PIN  water baptism on Gentiles !!

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« Reply #22 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 10:42:10 »
Hi , and you are right on !!

 Acts 2:38 was for the Jews forgiveness of the Crucfixation of Jesus and only could be forgiven during the apostles time .

 Baptism was given to Israel as John 1:31 says , that John was BAPTIZING   to make Jesus known to Israel .

 Baptizers have no verse to  PIN  water baptism on Gentiles !!

 dan p

The water baptism of Acts 2:38 is the water baptism of the great commission, Lk 24:47; Mt 28:19,20; Mk 16:15,16 and this baptism is for 'all the world', 'every creature', and 'all nations' and this includes the Gentiles.  Peter took this great commission baptism to the Gentiles in Acts 10:47.48.  Furthermore, in Acts 15:11 Peter said that Jew and Gentile are saved "in like manner".  So the Gentiles are saved in like manner as the Jews were in Acts 2:38.

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« Reply #23 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 10:46:22 »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.

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« Reply #24 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 10:57:02 »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.
Lets hope you are right cause lets face it whether you want to believe it or not it is a life or death situation

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« Reply #25 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 11:05:00 »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.
Lets hope you are right cause lets face it whether you want to believe it or not it is a life or death situation

I don't disregard baptism.  I believe that those who separate baptism from faith with a sinners prayers or five steps miss the point.  I believe that those who focus on "the remission of sins" miss the "in the name of Jesus Christ" or the "calling on His name."

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« Reply #26 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 11:33:17 »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.

It's prescriptive.

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« Reply #27 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 11:53:44 »
The book of Acts is descriptive not prescriptive.

It's prescriptive.

You sir, are in error.

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« Reply #28 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 12:29:24 »
Quote from: Alfred Combes

You sir, are in error.

Am I in error because of your unsubstantiated claim that Acts is descriptive and not prescriptive?

In Acts 2:38, baptism for the remission of sins is prescriptive.  Where does the bible ever say this prescription ever ended?

2 Tim 3:16,17 "All scripture [is] given by inspiration of God, and [is] profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works."


Acts 2:38 is doctrine, it is for instruction in righteousness.  What verse says it is only descriptive and not applicable today?

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #29 on: Thu Feb 09, 2012 - 12:44:38 »
Gomer, they use that ruse to get around the fact that Paul kept the feasts, participated in Temple worship and supported Jews continuing to follow the Law of Moses, as opposed to Gentiles which did none of those things. 

I suppose if you think that it is just a historical record of mistakes you can get around a lot of stuff.....

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #30 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 15:38:43 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.
There's no doubt that the baptism of the Holy Spirit is important.  There is also no doubt that baptism in water is commanded.  So which one is Paul talking about in Ephesians 4:5.  I believe he is talking about both of them as two aspects of a single event.  Acts 2:38 promises that when we are baptized we will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.  Therefore there is a physical aspect of baptism (water) and a spiritual aspect of baptism (the Holy Spirit), but there is only one baptism.



The "One baptsim" in Eph 4: 5. Is the Spiritual baptism into the body of Christ,
1 Cor 12: 13. The rebirth. Jn 3: 3--8.
Some of the disciples were born again in Jn 20:22.. Peter was, Becaue one of the Greek wprds for, "Love" in Jn 21: 15--17, Is, "Agape", The love of God, You can only have this if you are born again. Rom 5: 5.
The disciples were born again in Acts 8:  14--16, But weren't baptised in the Holy Ghost intil v17.
Paul was born again in Acts 9: 6, But wasn't baptised in the Holy Ghost intill at least 3 days later, V 9. & v17.
This was before he was baptised in water.

The Gentiles in Acts 10: 44--46 were saved,[Born again] Baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues....But they weren't baptised in water.

The disciples were baptised in water but they weren't saved until some of them was in Jn 20: 22., The rest on the day of pentecost.

As for Acts 2: 38. The Bible translaters have mislead us into believing water baptism saved,..But this is the way the original Greek scripture puts it, And this is the way the people would have heard and understood it,
"Repent for the remission of sins, And you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost".

Then you can be baptised in water.
The Greek emohesis for, "Remission" is on , "Repent", Not baptim.

The Greek emphesis for, "Saved" in Mk 16: 16, Is on, "Beleveth" Not baptism.

Acording to the original Greek, Water baptism is,
"The expression, Not the medium, The symbol, Not the cause".

So the Greek and the Bible [If you know it] proves water baptism doens't save, And the "ONE" baptism is the rebirth.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #31 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 15:48:49 »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Jerusalem Decree given by the Apostles years after they began their commission. It was made to declare what they then believed necessary to lead the Gentiles to salvation. In it, we find nothing at all regarding a requirement for water baptism.

<Begin - The Jerusalem Decree>

(Acts 15:22-29) 22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely, Judas who was also named Barsabas, and Silas, leading men among the brethren.

23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:

Greetings.

24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep the law

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #32 on: Tue Mar 20, 2012 - 14:50:24 »
Baptism is with water. Look at three people in the NT

Peter
After his speech at Pentecost, Peter said to those assembled:
"Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins." (Acts 2:38)

What kind of baptism was this? Well we know what Peter understood by baptism because after Cornelius had been baptised by the Holy Spirit, Peter said:
"Can anyone withhold the water for baptising these people, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we have?  He ordered them to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ." (Acts 10:47-48).
There are three things to note about this:

1.  Baptism was with water

2.  It wasn’t John’s baptism because it was in the name of Jesus Christ

3.  It wasn’t the baptism of the Holy Spirit because the Spirit had already fallen on Cornelius and his household (Acts 10:44)

Peter says about Noah and his family being “saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #33 on: Wed Mar 21, 2012 - 03:23:54 »
Baptism is with water. Look at three people in the NT

Peter
After his speech at Pentecost, Peter said to those assembled:
"Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins." (Acts 2:38)

What kind of baptism was this? Well we know what Peter understood by baptism because after Cornelius had been baptised by the Holy Spirit, Peter said:
"Can anyone withhold the water for baptising these people, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we have?  He ordered them to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ." (Acts 10:47-48).
There are three things to note about this:

1.  Baptism was with water

2.  It wasn’t John’s baptism because it was in the name of Jesus Christ

3.  It wasn’t the baptism of the Holy Spirit because the Spirit had already fallen on Cornelius and his household (Acts 10:44)

Peter says about Noah and his family being “saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #34 on: Wed Mar 21, 2012 - 06:27:04 »
Baptism is with water. Look at three people in the NT

Peter
After his speech at Pentecost, Peter said to those assembled:
"Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins." (Acts 2:38)

What kind of baptism was this? Well we know what Peter understood by baptism because after Cornelius had been baptised by the Holy Spirit, Peter said:
"Can anyone withhold the water for baptising these people, who have received the Holy Spirit even as we have?  He ordered them to be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ." (Acts 10:47-48).
There are three things to note about this:

1.  Baptism was with water

2.  It wasn’t John’s baptism because it was in the name of Jesus Christ

3.  It wasn’t the baptism of the Holy Spirit because the Spirit had already fallen on Cornelius and his household (Acts 10:44)

Peter says about Noah and his family being “saved through water. This prefigured baptism, which saves you now

 

     
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