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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #315 on: April 07, 2012, 10:09:44 AM »
Ok, next one! (I love this new app!)

Acts 9:18 (ASV) And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;

So this is Paul - in Damascus  - in the house of Judas.

How does baptizō here mean full immersion in water? 

Does one just assume that this Judas fellow had a giant baptismal font in his house on Straight St.?

Or is this not a baptism with water at all?



Scott

I think its fair to assume they had access to, and used a volume of water suitable for immersion. The reason that baptizō in Acts 9:18 means immersion in water is because that's just what the Greek word means, and due to its usage in the context with Paul's conversion I think water can be safely implied. I see how you are saying it's kinda ambiguous here, but looking at usage of the word through out acts and other places in the gospels the meaning its pretty consistent.
Ok- I get ya.

Thanks for the chat!

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Re: "One Baptism"
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #316 on: April 07, 2012, 10:18:47 AM »
It's real easy to get carried away on forums like this.

As you probably have seen...
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For thou shalt eat the labour of thine hands: happy shalt thou be, and it shall be well with thee.
Thy wife shall be as a fruitful vine by the sides of thine house: thy children like olive plants round about thy table.  — Psalm 128:1-3

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #316 on: April 07, 2012, 10:18:47 AM »

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #317 on: April 07, 2012, 10:48:15 AM »
This is the site I use http://www.blueletterbible.org/

The passage broke down is here:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mar&c=7&v=3&t=KJV#conc/3

The word is νίπτω (niptō) and means:

1) to wash

2) to wash one's self

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3538&t=KJV



Corection,
Nipto means to wash part of oneself.


Dr. Truth

Thanks for the correction, but thats what I said.



It is nice to see someone else agreeing with the Greek.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #318 on: April 07, 2012, 10:50:50 AM »
Ok, next one! (I love this new app!)

Acts 9:18 (ASV) And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;

So this is Paul - in Damascus  - in the house of Judas.

How does baptizō here mean full immersion in water? 

Does one just assume that this Judas fellow had a giant baptismal font in his house on Straight St.?

Or is this not a baptism with water at all?



Scott

I think its fair to assume they had access to, and used a volume of water suitable for immersion. The reason that baptizō in Acts 9:18 means immersion in water is because that's just what the Greek word means, and due to its usage in the context with Paul's conversion I think water can be safely implied. I see how you are saying it's kinda ambiguous here, but looking at usage of the word through out acts and other places in the gospels the meaning its pretty consistent.


Paul would have know about baptsim and that is means total immersion, Because he had the best Bible Teacher of his day.
So he would have been totally immersed.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #319 on: April 07, 2012, 11:25:12 AM »
Ok, next one! (I love this new app!)

Acts 9:18 (ASV) And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;

So this is Paul - in Damascus  - in the house of Judas.

How does baptizō here mean full immersion in water? 

Does one just assume that this Judas fellow had a giant baptismal font in his house on Straight St.?

Or is this not a baptism with water at all?



Scott

I think its fair to assume they had access to, and used a volume of water suitable for immersion. The reason that baptizō in Acts 9:18 means immersion in water is because that's just what the Greek word means, and due to its usage in the context with Paul's conversion I think water can be safely implied. I see how you are saying it's kinda ambiguous here, but looking at usage of the word through out acts and other places in the gospels the meaning its pretty consistent.


Paul would have know about baptsim and that is means total immersion, Because he had the best Bible Teacher of his day.
So he would have been totally immersed.
Thanks for the reply, but I will stick with learning about this from others.

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Re: "One Baptism"
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #320 on: April 09, 2012, 01:52:49 AM »
Ok, next one! (I love this new app!)

Acts 9:18 (ASV) And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;

So this is Paul - in Damascus  - in the house of Judas.

How does baptizō here mean full immersion in water? 

Does one just assume that this Judas fellow had a giant baptismal font in his house on Straight St.?

Or is this not a baptism with water at all?



Scott

I think its fair to assume they had access to, and used a volume of water suitable for immersion. The reason that baptizō in Acts 9:18 means immersion in water is because that's just what the Greek word means, and due to its usage in the context with Paul's conversion I think water can be safely implied. I see how you are saying it's kinda ambiguous here, but looking at usage of the word through out acts and other places in the gospels the meaning its pretty consistent.


Paul would have know about baptsim and that is means total immersion, Because he had the best Bible Teacher of his day.
So he would have been totally immersed.
Thanks for the reply, but I will stick with learning about this from others.



Truth it truth, No matter who it comes from.
And Paul was totally immersed in water at his baptism.
Are you saying that I am telling lies ??.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #321 on: April 21, 2012, 03:55:18 PM »
John 4:10 Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
KJV

Eph 5:26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,
KJV

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
KJV

Jesus is the living water for he is the living Word of God whom became flesh. Jesus told Peter, if you do not let me wash you, you have no place in me.

1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven,
 the Father,
the Word,
and the Holy Ghost:
 and these three are one.
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Only the baptism of the Holy Spirit can birth the Seed in us. Natural water only cleanses us on the outside leaving us still unclean on the inside.

But the living water of the Word cleanses us inside first, so that eventually our holiness will manifest outwardly.
Rev 10:10 And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.

11 And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #322 on: May 18, 2012, 04:08:47 PM »
Ok, next one! (I love this new app!)

Acts 9:18 (ASV) And straightway there fell from his eyes as it were scales, and he received his sight; and he arose and was baptized;

So this is Paul - in Damascus  - in the house of Judas.

How does baptizō here mean full immersion in water? 

Does one just assume that this Judas fellow had a giant baptismal font in his house on Straight St.?

Or is this not a baptism with water at all?



GE:

GE:

The truth and nothing but the truth!

verse 18 literally and factually says, Paul "was baptised STANDING-UP"; not, 'going down into'.

Verse 17 says Paul's eyesight would be healed and he would be filled with the Holy Spirit. It happened exactly like that. Verse 18 tells exactly Paul's BAPTISM which consisted of everything there mentioned ... and water IS NOT one of them.





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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #323 on: June 30, 2012, 08:42:01 AM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Amen

I baptize my french fries with ketchup all the time. Yet, ketchup is no more part of the definition of the word 'baptize' than water is. We're talking about an action here, no? I believe that it would be a critical mistake to assume 'water' into the definition of the word "baptize" when ever it is used.

To "baptize" means to be "placed into", or "immersed", or it can mean 'dipped into'. We are "placed into" the Body of Christ when we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is the one true baptism. As a result of that, we have become "immersed" with Christ Jesus, being one with Him, actually being "in Christ". The Holy Spirit is the agent of that baptism, not water. That baptism is always the result of faith. And Jesus is always the Baptiser.

There is a baptism that saves, not water baptism, but a genuine faith which will result in a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3:21 (paraphrased by me for clarity). Pictured just before that in that same scripture is the water, which is God's judgment, and the ark, which pictures Jesus Christ. In the ark, they were saved from God's judgment, the water. In Christ, likewise.

Gal. 3:26 - 27 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body ... and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Understanding this, we can then correctly understand what the word "baptism", or "baptize" means in other passages that speak of the same resurrection, and the same life transforming experience (born again), such as Romans 6:3-11; Colossians 2:10-14, and we can then know that these passages are speaking of our Spirit baptism, which is always the result of our initial, God given faith.

The types never save, but always point. The one true "placing into", the one true "immersion"? It's the Spirit baptism.

Dave

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #324 on: June 30, 2012, 04:58:18 PM »
I recently read something about baptism coming from Greek, bathing or something.

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #325 on: August 15, 2012, 01:25:36 AM »
............................

Baptism means, Totaly immersed in water..FACT.
............................


GE:

Sorry, the word 'baptidzoh' does NOT "mean... Totaly immersed ... in _water_"; "Go ... baptizing ye them ... IN THE NAME .... !"

"They were baptized in the _CLOUD_ which is Christ."



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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #326 on: August 15, 2012, 01:30:45 AM »
(Ephesians 4:4-6) There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

There is only "one baptism" worthy of important mention:

(Mark 1:8) I baptize you with water, but he will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.

The baptism of the Holy Spirit.

Amen

I baptize my french fries with ketchup all the time. Yet, ketchup is no more part of the definition of the word 'baptize' than water is. We're talking about an action here, no? I believe that it would be a critical mistake to assume 'water' into the definition of the word "baptize" when ever it is used.

To "baptize" means to be "placed into", or "immersed", or it can mean 'dipped into'. We are "placed into" the Body of Christ when we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is the one true baptism. As a result of that, we have become "immersed" with Christ Jesus, being one with Him, actually being "in Christ". The Holy Spirit is the agent of that baptism, not water. That baptism is always the result of faith. And Jesus is always the Baptiser.

There is a baptism that saves, not water baptism, but a genuine faith which will result in a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3:21 (paraphrased by me for clarity). Pictured just before that in that same scripture is the water, which is God's judgment, and the ark, which pictures Jesus Christ. In the ark, they were saved from God's judgment, the water. In Christ, likewise.

Gal. 3:26 - 27 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body ... and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Understanding this, we can then correctly understand what the word "baptism", or "baptize" means in other passages that speak of the same resurrection, and the same life transforming experience (born again), such as Romans 6:3-11; Colossians 2:10-14, and we can then know that these passages are speaking of our Spirit baptism, which is always the result of our initial, God given faith.

The types never save, but always point. The one true "placing into", the one true "immersion"? It's the Spirit baptism.

Dave

GE:

Very good!

Yes, 'baptism' or 'to baptise' can even mean 'to be filled with' ... like with the Holy Spirit the apostles and Jesus.


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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #327 on: August 15, 2012, 01:45:22 AM »

I baptize my french fries with ketchup all the time. Yet, ketchup is no more part of the definition of the word 'baptize' than water is. We're talking about an action here, no? I believe that it would be a critical mistake to assume 'water' into the definition of the word "baptize" when ever it is used.

To "baptize" means to be "placed into", or "immersed", or it can mean 'dipped into'. We are "placed into" the Body of Christ when we receive the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which is the one true baptism. As a result of that, we have become "immersed" with Christ Jesus, being one with Him, actually being "in Christ". The Holy Spirit is the agent of that baptism, not water. That baptism is always the result of faith. And Jesus is always the Baptiser.

There is a baptism that saves, not water baptism, but a genuine faith which will result in a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 3:21 (paraphrased by me for clarity). Pictured just before that in that same scripture is the water, which is God's judgment, and the ark, which pictures Jesus Christ. In the ark, they were saved from God's judgment, the water. In Christ, likewise.

Gal. 3:26 - 27 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body ... and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Understanding this, we can then correctly understand what the word "baptism", or "baptize" means in other passages that speak of the same resurrection, and the same life transforming experience (born again), such as Romans 6:3-11; Colossians 2:10-14, and we can then know that these passages are speaking of our Spirit baptism, which is always the result of our initial, God given faith.

The types never save, but always point. The one true "placing into", the one true "immersion"? It's the Spirit baptism.

Dave

GE:


I said of your post, Very good!

Just one point though ...

You said, "...our Spirit baptism, which is always the result of our initial, God given faith..."

What if it really is, our Spirit-baptism which is always the CONDITION AND BEGINNING of our initial, God given faith?!

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Re: "One Baptism"
« Reply #328 on: August 18, 2012, 11:38:34 AM »
This is the site I use http://www.blueletterbible.org/

The passage broke down is here:
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mar&c=7&v=3&t=KJV#conc/3

The word is νίπτω (niptō) and means:

1) to wash

2) to wash one's self

http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?Strongs=G3538&t=KJV



Corection,
Nipto means to wash part of oneself.


Dr. Truth

Thanks for the correction, but thats what I said.



It is nice to see someone else agreeing with the Greek.


+1.