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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #35 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 08:17:44 »
Thank God for Spirit led Christians like you and several others here.  What in the world would seekers do if all they found here were those few misguided souls who keep on preaching that to find God, "you've got to, first, be good enough"... "then keep up the 'qualifying' to be allowed to stay saved".
The congregation I attended in grade school and for a while in high school had the opinion that one could only be saved for a few seconds at a time.

As one visiting speaker put it: "You can go to this altar tonight and get everything right with God.  You can get up, grab your coat and go out across the street to get to your car, get hit, die and go straight to hell because you committed 20 sins you know nothing about before you ever walk out that door."

A few weeks after that the pastor commented that perhaps we should have someone with a 6 shooter to blow people away while they were still on their knees as it seemed the ONLY way to ensure they went to heaven.

That is just outright crazy!! ::eek:: What does it profit? What would be the benifits of teaching that?  ??? ???

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #36 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 08:24:27 »
Thank God for Spirit led Christians like you and several others here.  What in the world would seekers do if all they found here were those few misguided souls who keep on preaching that to find God, "you've got to, first, be good enough"... "then keep up the 'qualifying' to be allowed to stay saved".
The congregation I attended in grade school and for a while in high school had the opinion that one could only be saved for a few seconds at a time.

As one visiting speaker put it: "You can go to this altar tonight and get everything right with God.  You can get up, grab your coat and go out across the street to get to your car, get hit, die and go straight to hell because you committed 20 sins you know nothing about before you ever walk out that door."

A few weeks after that the pastor commented that perhaps we should have someone with a 6 shooter to blow people away while they were still on their knees as it seemed the ONLY way to ensure they went to heaven.

That is just outright crazy!! ::eek:: What does it profit? What would be the benifits of teaching that?  ??? ???

Truly and Humbly Yours
Anastasia

It is disgusting! It is the severest form of legalism there is and the only beneficiary is Satan, who is successful in binding up all kinds of people in fear and uncertainty, taking them into a perpetual state of spiritual OCD---always checking their salvation! It keeps them captive and fearful from stepping out in faith to do with works of Christ.

I'll guarantee you that those churches are dwindling in numbers and they are too afraid to go out and convert the world. The world would be nuts to fall for a prison like that church. The sad thing is, that they are not really nuts---they are desperate and deceived. God isn't even present in those churches. The people are just playing church.

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« Reply #37 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 08:28:41 »
Happy is the man to whom God does not impute sin.

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #38 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 08:32:55 »
Happy is the man to whom God does not impute sin.
Amen!

I found it interesting that the congregation died when I was in college. It was suggested that I come back to pastor it.  (did not want any part of THAT mess...)

I suppose a congregation that believed that just smelling alcohol was drunkenness and cost one his salvation could not exist 20 miles downwind of a new ethanol plant.

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« Reply #39 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 09:04:40 »
Happy is the man to whom God does not impute sin.
Amen!

I found it interesting that the congregation died when I was in college. It was suggested that I come back to pastor it.  (did not want any part of THAT mess...)

I suppose a congregation that believed that just smelling alcohol was drunkenness and cost one his salvation could not exist 20 miles downwind of a new ethanol plant.
Hey you never now that could have been an oppurtunity for you to bring God back to those people. Everything happens for a reason though. I always look at situations like that as oppurtunities God is giving me to do good works. Just my thought process though ::shrug:: ::smile::

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« Reply #40 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 13:09:29 »
Thank God for Spirit led Christians like you and several others here.  What in the world would seekers do if all they found here were those few misguided souls who keep on preaching that to find God, "you've got to, first, be good enough"... "then keep up the 'qualifying' to be allowed to stay saved".
The congregation I attended in grade school and for a while in high school had the opinion that one could only be saved for a few seconds at a time.

As one visiting speaker put it: "You can go to this altar tonight and get everything right with God.  You can get up, grab your coat and go out across the street to get to your car, get hit, die and go straight to hell because you committed 20 sins you know nothing about before you ever walk out that door."

A few weeks after that the pastor commented that perhaps we should have someone with a 6 shooter to blow people away while they were still on their knees as it seemed the ONLY way to ensure they went to heaven.
Ah, yes.  The infamous "Tightrope Over Hell".  The CoC was (and I suppose still is) known the world over for that mistaken opinion.
They might be known for it, but I don't know of anyone that believes it.

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #41 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 13:27:24 »
Thank God for Spirit led Christians like you and several others here.  What in the world would seekers do if all they found here were those few misguided souls who keep on preaching that to find God, "you've got to, first, be good enough"... "then keep up the 'qualifying' to be allowed to stay saved".
The congregation I attended in grade school and for a while in high school had the opinion that one could only be saved for a few seconds at a time.

As one visiting speaker put it: "You can go to this altar tonight and get everything right with God.  You can get up, grab your coat and go out across the street to get to your car, get hit, die and go straight to hell because you committed 20 sins you know nothing about before you ever walk out that door."

A few weeks after that the pastor commented that perhaps we should have someone with a 6 shooter to blow people away while they were still on their knees as it seemed the ONLY way to ensure they went to heaven.
Ah, yes.  The infamous "Tightrope Over Hell".  The CoC was (and I suppose still is) known the world over for that mistaken opinion.
They might be known for it, but I don't know of anyone that believes it.
A very good friend of mine was raised with that type of teaching, it became very hard for her to deal with, she eventualy fell away because she knew she had sinned so why even try. It was very sad for er and she had a very rough life afterwards, but later in life she found her way back. She calls herself a warrior of God lol.

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #42 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 13:30:22 »
I've a friend who believes like that.  She said to me once that she didn't want her kids thinking they were on the path with God only to find themselves in hell suddenly because of some sin they'd committed unaware.  ::frown:: ::cryingtears::  I was like  ::eek::

It is a very sad teaching that you have to behave just right to be acceptable to God.  Jesus rocks!

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #43 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 14:06:23 »
I've a friend who believes like that.  She said to me once that she didn't want her kids thinking they were on the path with God only to find themselves in hell suddenly because of some sin they'd committed unaware.  ::frown:: ::cryingtears::  I was like  ::eek::

It is a very sad teaching that you have to behave just right to be acceptable to God.  Jesus rocks!


 Yup. Thats why it is unconditional and everlasting love. Imagine if we told our children that we would only ever love them and want them if they were perfect!!!!!Also we are imperfect parents, and if we can love unconditionally, how much more will God who is the perfect parent love and accept us. ::nodding:: Not to say that He always loves all that we do, but He still loves US. ::smile::
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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #44 on: Thu Jul 26, 2012 - 14:08:39 »
Not to say that He always loves all that we do, but He still loves US. ::smile::

Yep!  ::amen!:: I agree!

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #45 on: Fri Jul 27, 2012 - 06:33:04 »
Anyone who posits that God cancels salvation any and every time we slip up shows a SEVERE lack of understanding of the term "Covenant."  That is not something inherent to our culture and we only have marriage as an example.

Whether you believe in OSAS or not, (I do not) since salvation is a covenant, it would be as difficult to lose as getting a divorce is.  It cannot be done accidently or quickly.

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #46 on: Fri Jul 27, 2012 - 10:11:16 »
Anyone who posits that God cancels salvation any and every time we slip up shows a SEVERE lack of understanding of the term "Covenant."  That is not something inherent to our culture and we only have marriage as an example.

Whether you believe in OSAS or not, (I do not) since salvation is a covenant, it would be as difficult to lose as getting a divorce is.  It cannot be done accidently or quickly.

Good analogy.

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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #47 on: Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 19:10:20 »
Of course only Christ lived without sinning. 

But some claim that you can be forgiven your past sins, confess your continued sins until you are at a point you no longer Sin.  There's an Author named John that comes  to mind.

Now people use all sorts of scripture to say that can't happen, but I've never seen any that says what they want it to say.

So, what do you say?  Can God change a person so completely that they never sin again, from some point in the change forward?  And why/why not biblically supported?

Greetings to all of you,
   i tell you the Truth and will not lie, i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sin against Jesus Christ my Lord. The Holy Spirit that lives in me, gives me the Strength and the Power to overcome every temptation that comes my way. Is it not written there is no temptation that is so strong that you can't handle it, and with every temptation He allows a path out of it. God said to me one day "There is no sin that you do that you can't cease from" This is True.
 The more you overcome temptations the more the Spirit of God helps you to overcome the next one. After a while satan will tire of tempting you, knowing that you will not fail Christ, and he will leave you alone for a while, so that you are tempted even less. Me personally i thank satan and his cohorts when they tempt me to commit any kind of sin whatsoever, because it gives me another opportunity to show to Jesus Christ my Love for Him, not to mention the blessing He will give me for not doing that which i am tempted to do.
  All things are possible to them that KNOW God, Him inside of me, makes it possible for me to walk righteous, the straight and narrow, the difficult path which only a very few will find, with His help, the whiles of the devil does not touch me. Again i tell you the Truth and do not lie, i do not knowingly or willingly commit any sin which is against Jesus Christ, i know who my master is, if then i obey satan and commit sin, then i assure you Scriptures teach that he then is my master, because your master is to whom you obey, if you are tempted to commit a sin, satan is telling you to do it, Jesus is telling you not to do it, who you obey is your master. All of Scriptures teaches us not to sin, what part of Scriptures teaches that we can sin?
  Man teaches "We will always sin" Scriptures does not teach that.
  Man teaches "For all WILL sin" Scriptures does not teach that, it teaches for all HAVE sinned.
  Man teaches "Everybody sins" Scriptures does not teach that.
  Man teaches "Nobody is perfect" Scriptures does not teach that. (read James 3:2)
  Man teaches "Once Saved Always Saved" Scriptures does not teach that.

I Cor 15:34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

I John 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

Hebrews 12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

Ephesians 4:26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
(Strange thing for Jesus to tell him to do, if it were not possible to do)

John 8:11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

I John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.
(If a person knowingly and willingly commits sin, i assure you, the wicked one touched that person)

Brothers and sisters, believe the Word of God, not what men teach. Lo, i have warned you.


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Re: Are there believers of God, that no longer sin?
« Reply #48 on: Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 21:14:05 »
So, what do you say?  Can God change a person so completely that they never sin again, from some point in the change forward?

YES

 

     
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