I do not understand why "salvation" should be a point of debate on a Christian Forum. I simply don't. It appears however that it is, and that is truly a sad thing IMO. My concern is for those "guests" who visit our Forums and read such comments, and the harm it may well do to them. It's one thing for a person to doubt their salvation, or not believe they have not received salvation yet, BUT it's a far different thing when folks begin to TEACH that NO ONE has received salvation. This is a dangerous thing in my opinion, and it is not Biblical.
So, I'm going to once more show what salvation is (for the benifit of those "guests" who might be seeking), and HOW we have salvation NOW!
sal - va' tion, n. 1. deliverance. 2. deliverance from sin.
de - liv' er, v. 1. give up. 2. carry and turn over. 3. utter. 4. direct. 5. SAVE. 6. GIVE BIRTH. 7. assist at birth. de - liv' er - ance, n.
save, v., saved, saving, prep., conj. --- v. 1. rescue or keep safe. 2. reserve, --- prep., conj. 3. except.
sav'ing, adj. 1. rescuing; redeeming. 2. economical. --- n. 3. economy, 4. (pl) money put by, --- prep. 5. except. 6. respecting.
sav'ior, n. 1. one who rescues. 2. (cap.) Christ. Also, sav'iour.
re - deem', v. 1. pay off. 2. recover. 3. fulfill. 4. DELIVER FROM SIN BY SACRIFICE.
Hebrews 8:8 "For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah; 9) Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord. 10) For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MIND, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS; and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people. 11) And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord; for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12) FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR INIQUITIES WILL I REMEMBER NO MORE.
This is SALVATION! Period! ALL who have believed in and confessed Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour and have been REDEEMED from their sins HAVE SALVATION HERE AND NOW. What is to follow is the "promised reward" that our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ spoke of. The precious blood of Jesus Christ was the price paid for our salvation, and to say that we do not have salvation is to make void the blood of Jesus Christ, and that is a very dangerous thing to do IMO.
To say we have no salvation in this life is to say that our sins have not been forgiven, forgotton, remembered no more, and that is not Biblical. It is a false and dangerous teaching of the theologies of man, for it is not OF THE WORD OF GOD.