I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
sounds like free will to me
Sounds like a choice, a choice that HE will enact in your life or HE won't. Nothing holy about your choice, it doesn't make it so if you are denied. The people in HELL CHOOSE LIFE, but a helluva lotta good it'll do them.
Choice =/= freewill.
People who will find themselves condemned to hellfire will have made the choice, even if they didn't make ANY choice. Once one dies, there is no further choice on offer.
Lively, tell me, where is the free will in this verse?
Rom 8: 5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God; for it does not subject itself to the law of God, for it is not even able to do so,
It's saying... according to = belongs to, either the flesh or the spirit.
the mind that belongs to flesh disobeys God.
The mind of the Spirit obeys the Spirit.
NIV uses the word CONTROL in here to capture the meaning better than the literal words that confuse the point.
If you are "according to" in this sense, you belong to it.
Where is the free will in this verse....
Rom 7:15 For what I am doing, I do not understand; for I am not practicing what I would like to do, but I am doing the very thing I hate. 16 But if I do the very thing I do not want to do, I agree with the Law, confessing that the Law is good. 17 So now, no longer am I the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me. 18 For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the willing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not.
He's saying that the person of the flesh can't do what he wants to do. That isn't free Will.
The solution is in romans 8:5 and 8:9 where you obey the one you belong to. And he points out that if the SPIRIT indwells you, the flesh /sinful nature that causes the Rom 7 dilemma is gone.
So, please, rather than tell me I'm wrong, show me how the verses have free will in them. Without changing words or context.
What makes a person in the flesh?
A person becomes in bondage to the flesh when they sow to the flesh.
For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God says over and over we can be confident in salvation thru faith in Christ.
Ephesians 3;11 According to the eternal purpose
which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord
12 In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.
Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ
, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end
Hebrews 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence,
which hath great recompence of reward.
36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise
37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
39 But we
are not of them who draw back unto perdition
; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
1 John 5 :9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater
: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself:
he that believeth not God hath made him a liar
; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son
11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God
; that ye may know that ye have eternal life
, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
14 And this is the confidence that we have in him
, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us
15 And if we know that he hear us
, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.
Whats his will towards us
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Why would he say you can be confident in faith in Christ if he can then just go against his word and damn you to hell anyway,
Did he not say in John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
he said whosoever not some not a couple.So if you doubt that then you must assume God is a liar
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar
; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.
Ill therefor trust that God means what he says when he says believe in Christ and you will be saved with confidence,instead of second guessing him and living life always unsure of your salvation.