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Re: Gay Marriage
« Reply #35 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 08:17:59 »
BS:

We already won? Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?

Not my job.

Oh please!  ::frown:: Cop out much?  Jesus TOLD us to GO and make disciples of all nations!  He WANTS us to share Him with others.

Ok, what are you doing about preventing adulterers from remarrying (some people believe even looking at porn is adultery)? It's on the list of people that won't inherit the kingdom.

Why only pick on gay marriage, there is a bunch of others on the list that are blatantly being ignored.

Why doesn't America put a law into effect that adulterers are not allowed to remarry? They aren't gay people but heterosexual. Does that make it ok? NO.

You can't condemn just one without condemning them all. We can't pick and choose which laws God wants us to uphold.


Adulterers aren't an organized body who stand on street corners with placards demanding something they don't have!

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« Reply #36 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 08:19:19 »
BS:

We already won? Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?

Not my job.

Oh please!  ::frown:: Cop out much?  Jesus TOLD us to GO and make disciples of all nations!  He WANTS us to share Him with others.

Ok, what are you doing about preventing adulterers from remarrying (some people believe even looking at porn is adultery)? It's on the list of people that won't inherit the kingdom.

Why only pick on gay marriage, there is a bunch of others on the list that are blatantly being ignored.

Why doesn't America put a law into effect that adulterers are not allowed to remarry? They aren't gay people but heterosexual. Does that make it ok? NO.

You can't condemn just one without condemning them all. We can't pick and choose which laws God wants us to uphold.


What a ridiculous argument!  Because marriage between opposite gender fornicators makes them sin no more!  Their sexual act is NO longer fornication, but sanctioned under the boundaries of marriage like God intended!  

ALL sin can be forgiven and ALL sin can be turned from.  You DO realize that don't you?  No one is CONDEMNING gay people, that is God's job to condemn ANYONE...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!


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« Reply #37 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 08:31:21 »
Bitter Sweet: I believe you but do you want someone to take away your free will of trying to stop gay marriage? God gives us free will, free will is good.

DigitalAttorney: You really have no idea of the depravity you speak, do you?

God gives you the Word for you to know what is approved of. All contradictory to it is sin:

‎(Romans 6:14 ... 2 Peter 2:19]  For sin shall not be your master ... For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

 If you choose to sin (go against the Word) or support it in such a way as to turn a blind eye to it, then that is your choice. As a Christian though, my stance is firm and with the Word of God when I say homosexuality is abhorrent to God and thus who practice it.

MeMyself @ Bitter Sweet: Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?


Bitter Sweet: Not my job.

John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

DigitalAttorney: (John 12:48) The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Your day is approaching, with you unaware. His word has told you that homosexuality is a sin.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 If you turn a blind eye to sin, you are no better off than the sinner.

(James 5:20) Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Obviously, that is not you. You will stand condemned.

Bitter Sweet: Ok, what are you doing about preventing adulterers from remarrying (some people believe even looking at porn is adultery)? It's on the list of people that won't inherit the kingdom. Why only pick on gay marriage

DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.

(Romans 2:19-23) and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.

You who claim homosexuality is a sin, do you support their marriages?

(Romans 2:24) For, as it is written, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."

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« Reply #38 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:20:09 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.


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« Reply #39 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:25:43 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

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Re: Gay Marriage
« Reply #40 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:36:38 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.

Again...oh PUHLEASE!  No one said laws make people righteous...nice one again though. You are QUITE gifted in the craft of manipulating what people are saying and twisting it.  ::frown::

If the issue is put before the PEOPLE to VOTE upon, it is our right and even obligation to vote our convictions.  It is my conviction that to vote FOR gay marriage is the same as giving it my blessing.

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« Reply #41 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:37:58 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

 ::frown:: The above it just like children do: "HE did it FIIIIIIRST! Why do you ALWAYS pick on ME??"  ::frown::

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« Reply #42 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:41:36 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

 ::frown:: The above it just like children do: "HE did it FIIIIIIRST! Why do you ALWAYS pick on ME?????"  ::frown::

There is nothing wrong with being fair.  ::smile::

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« Reply #43 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:43:08 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.

Again...oh PUHLEASE!  No one said laws make people righteous...nice one again though. You are QUITE gifted in the craft of manipulating what people are saying and twisting it.  ::frown::

If the issue is put before the PEOPLE to VOTE upon, it is our right and even obligation to vote our convictions.  It is my conviction that to vote FOR gay marriage is the same as giving it my blessing.


That's fine, you can have your opinion of me and gay people. I'll keep mine to myself to be on the safe side.  ::smile::

I don't vote or get involved in politics. I am completely impartial to the laws man creates.

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« Reply #44 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:43:21 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

 ::frown:: The above it just like children do: "HE did it FIIIIIIRST! Why do you ALWAYS pick on ME?????"  ::frown::

There is nothing wrong with being fair.  ::smile::

But to insist upon it takes away DigitalAttornys free will to choose to be fair or not...

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« Reply #45 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:45:37 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.

Again...oh PUHLEASE!  No one said laws make people righteous...nice one again though. You are QUITE gifted in the craft of manipulating what people are saying and twisting it.  ::frown::

If the issue is put before the PEOPLE to VOTE upon, it is our right and even obligation to vote our convictions.  It is my conviction that to vote FOR gay marriage is the same as giving it my blessing.


That's fine, you can have your opinion of me and gay people. I'll keep mine to myself to be on the safe side.  ::smile::

I don't vote or get involved in politics. I am completely impartial to the laws man creates.

Um...thanks? for your permission...but you've no idea what my opinion of "gay people" is.

If you don't vote or don't get involved in politics, maybe you should not be involved in threads that speak of those things.  ::shrug::

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« Reply #46 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 09:54:38 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

 ::frown:: The above it just like children do: "HE did it FIIIIIIRST! Why do you ALWAYS pick on ME?????"  ::frown::

There is nothing wrong with being fair.  ::smile::

But to insist upon it takes away DigitalAttornys free will to choose to be fair or not...

I agree, and it's a good thing nobody forced him to say what he did. But we call all see how he bases his judgement.

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« Reply #47 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 10:03:50 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.

Again...oh PUHLEASE!  No one said laws make people righteous...nice one again though. You are QUITE gifted in the craft of manipulating what people are saying and twisting it.  ::frown::

If the issue is put before the PEOPLE to VOTE upon, it is our right and even obligation to vote our convictions.  It is my conviction that to vote FOR gay marriage is the same as giving it my blessing.


That's fine, you can have your opinion of me and gay people. I'll keep mine to myself to be on the safe side.  ::smile::

I don't vote or get involved in politics. I am completely impartial to the laws man creates.

Um...thanks? for your permission...but you've no idea what my opinion of "gay people" is.

If you don't vote or don't get involved in politics, maybe you should not be involved in threads that speak of those things.  ::shrug::

Knowing that they don't have your blessing in marriage means to me that you are leaning towards their repentance and hope for that more than anything. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I would like to see that too. BUT we can't change the hearts of men, only God can do that. All we can do is live by example.

Just because I'm not a part of this world doesn't mean I don't consider the things happening it.

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« Reply #48 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 13:03:22 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

 ::frown:: The above it just like children do: "HE did it FIIIIIIRST! Why do you ALWAYS pick on ME?????"  ::frown::

There is nothing wrong with being fair.  ::smile::

What is fair about lowering the standard of morality in the nation by bending over backward for a minority of perverse people to do something that God has created for only certain people---not them?

What is fair about exposing our children to perversity in their culture and in being taught in their schools as something normalized? Answer us this!

It is fair to make a stand against such a move and we are and will always.

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« Reply #49 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 15:33:58 »
DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.


So we shouldnt put murderers in jail then? It shouldn't be illegal?

Be fair DigitalAttorny, I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.  ::smile::

You're not really an attorney, are you?  rofl

 ::frown:: The above it just like children do: "HE did it FIIIIIIRST! Why do you ALWAYS pick on ME?????"  ::frown::

There is nothing wrong with being fair.  ::smile::

But to insist upon it takes away DigitalAttornys free will to choose to be fair or not...

I agree, and it's a good thing nobody forced him to say what he did. But we call all see how he bases his judgement.

And you yours. ::noworries:: rofl ::giggle::

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« Reply #50 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 15:42:27 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.

Again...oh PUHLEASE!  No one said laws make people righteous...nice one again though. You are QUITE gifted in the craft of manipulating what people are saying and twisting it.  ::frown::

If the issue is put before the PEOPLE to VOTE upon, it is our right and even obligation to vote our convictions.  It is my conviction that to vote FOR gay marriage is the same as giving it my blessing.


That's fine, you can have your opinion of me and gay people. I'll keep mine to myself to be on the safe side.  ::smile::

I don't vote or get involved in politics. I am completely impartial to the laws man creates.

Um...thanks? for your permission...but you've no idea what my opinion of "gay people" is.

If you don't vote or don't get involved in politics, maybe you should not be involved in threads that speak of those things.  ::shrug::

Knowing that they don't have your blessing in marriage means to me that you are leaning towards their repentance and hope for that more than anything. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I would like to see that too. BUT we can't change the hearts of men, only God can do that. All we can do is live by example.

Just because I'm not a part of this world doesn't mean I don't consider the things happening it.

All we can do is live by example, speak up when give opportunity and if asked to VOTE, vote your CONVICTIONS!

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« Reply #51 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 15:54:00 »
...what we are saying is that we will not give gay marriage our blessing PERIOD!

That's obvious and nobody has to give their blessing. However that doesn't give us a right to prevent them or anyone such as adulterers from marrying.

Being unfair in the laws of God doesn't make a person righteous.

Again...oh PUHLEASE!  No one said laws make people righteous...nice one again though. You are QUITE gifted in the craft of manipulating what people are saying and twisting it.  ::frown::

If the issue is put before the PEOPLE to VOTE upon, it is our right and even obligation to vote our convictions.  It is my conviction that to vote FOR gay marriage is the same as giving it my blessing.


That's fine, you can have your opinion of me and gay people. I'll keep mine to myself to be on the safe side.  ::smile::

I don't vote or get involved in politics. I am completely impartial to the laws man creates.

Um...thanks? for your permission...but you've no idea what my opinion of "gay people" is.

If you don't vote or don't get involved in politics, maybe you should not be involved in threads that speak of those things.  ::shrug::

Knowing that they don't have your blessing in marriage means to me that you are leaning towards their repentance and hope for that more than anything. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I would like to see that too. BUT we can't change the hearts of men, only God can do that. All we can do is live by example.

Just because I'm not a part of this world doesn't mean I don't consider the things happening it.

All we can do is live by example, speak up when give opportunity and if asked to VOTE, vote your CONVICTIONS!
MeMyself..you can't reason with a troll especially this one who mocks the Holy Spirit.

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« Reply #52 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 16:04:01 »
Back to the OP:


Obviously (I think) the state don't have the right to make any of these things illegal.

Thoughts?

The state has a right to uphold the morals of the people. If the morality quotient has gone down the toilet, then the laws will reflect that---which is what is happening today.

Those of us who have strong biblical morals, and value decency are rightly up in arms about the changes that are occurring so quickly.

Seeing as God instituted marriage and performed the first marriage between a man and a woman and his command to them was to be fruitful and multiply, we know that he could not have been extending that same command to two men, two women or a human and animal. Therefore what has always been concerning marriage must never be tampered with. Why it is happening now some 6000 years later is very revealing as to where we stand on God's time clock for humanity.

Jesus is coming VERY, VERY soon!

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« Reply #53 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 16:07:34 »
Bitter Sweet: I believe you but do you want someone to take away your free will of trying to stop gay marriage? God gives us free will, free will is good.

DigitalAttorney: You really have no idea of the depravity you speak, do you?

God gives you the Word for you to know what is approved of. All contradictory to it is sin:

‎(Romans 6:14 ... 2 Peter 2:19]  For sin shall not be your master ... For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

 If you choose to sin (go against the Word) or support it in such a way as to turn a blind eye to it, then that is your choice. As a Christian though, my stance is firm and with the Word of God when I say homosexuality is abhorrent to God and thus who practice it.

MeMyself @ Bitter Sweet: Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?


Bitter Sweet: Not my job.

John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

DigitalAttorney: (John 12:48) The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Your day is approaching, with you unaware. His word has told you that homosexuality is a sin.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 If you turn a blind eye to sin, you are no better off than the sinner.

(James 5:20) Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Obviously, that is not you. You will stand condemned.

Bitter Sweet: Ok, what are you doing about preventing adulterers from remarrying (some people believe even looking at porn is adultery)? It's on the list of people that won't inherit the kingdom. Why only pick on gay marriage

DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.

(Romans 2:19-23) and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.

You who claim homosexuality is a sin, do you support their marriages?

(Romans 2:24) For, as it is written, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."


Bitter Sweet: I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.

DigitalAttorney: My judgments are dispensed one matter at a time, and in this particular case regarding the marrying of homosexuals, as I quoted, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."


Bitter Sweet: we can all see how [you base your] judgement.


DigitalAttorney: (John 7:24) Do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment

I judge without hypocrisy and according to the Word of the Lord:

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

As such, I judge the abominable act of homosexuality as the foundation for homosexual marriage. Therefore the union of homosexuals cannot be holy. And

[Hebrews 12:14]  ... without holiness no one will see the Lord.
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« Reply #54 on: Wed Jan 11, 2012 - 16:23:38 »
BS:

We already won? Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?

Not my job.

John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:


And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark 16:15

I am, on the internet, www. Don't take God's gift of free will away from people like Islam.  ::smile::

I guess you are not aware that during the millenial reign Jesus will be the world's only governor and homosexuality will certainly be illegal along with any other sin.

You didn't answer my previous question. You say we shouldn't take people's free will away from them - so then murderers should be allowed to murder freely without prosecution?
Rapists should be allowed to rape anyone without prosecution?
If someone breaks into your house and tries to murder you, don't call the police - after all by your reasoning that person has free will, you shouldn't take their free will away from them by having them prosecuted.

Makes noooo sense at all. ::frown::

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« Reply #55 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 04:42:57 »
Go back and read the original post, please, all of you so we can talk about the exact topic at hand. As to the above post by Sinead, there are tonnes of reasons other than christias ones as to why rape, murder (ect) should be illigal, but i can only find reasons that are purley biblical as to why gay marriage should be illigal.

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« Reply #56 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 04:48:07 »
Bitter Sweet: I believe you but do you want someone to take away your free will of trying to stop gay marriage? God gives us free will, free will is good.

DigitalAttorney: You really have no idea of the depravity you speak, do you?

God gives you the Word for you to know what is approved of. All contradictory to it is sin:

‎(Romans 6:14 ... 2 Peter 2:19]  For sin shall not be your master ... For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

 If you choose to sin (go against the Word) or support it in such a way as to turn a blind eye to it, then that is your choice. As a Christian though, my stance is firm and with the Word of God when I say homosexuality is abhorrent to God and thus who practice it.

MeMyself @ Bitter Sweet: Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?


Bitter Sweet: Not my job.

John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

DigitalAttorney: (John 12:48) The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Your day is approaching, with you unaware. His word has told you that homosexuality is a sin.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 If you turn a blind eye to sin, you are no better off than the sinner.

(James 5:20) Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Obviously, that is not you. You will stand condemned.

Bitter Sweet: Ok, what are you doing about preventing adulterers from remarrying (some people believe even looking at porn is adultery)? It's on the list of people that won't inherit the kingdom. Why only pick on gay marriage

DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.

(Romans 2:19-23) and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.

You who claim homosexuality is a sin, do you support their marriages?

(Romans 2:24) For, as it is written, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."


Bitter Sweet: I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.

DigitalAttorney: My judgments are dispensed one matter at a time, and in this particular case regarding the marrying of homosexuals, as I quoted, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."


Bitter Sweet: we can all see how [you base your] judgement.


DigitalAttorney: (John 7:24) Do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment

I judge without hypocrisy and according to the Word of the Lord:

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

As such, I judge the abominable act of homosexuality as the foundation for homosexual marriage. Therefore the union of homosexuals cannot be holy. And

[Hebrews 12:14]  ... without holiness no one will see the Lord.

TomMoney:... i can only find reasons that are purley biblical as to why gay marriage should be illigal.

DigitalAttorney: (2 John 1:10-11) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

What other reason do you need, Tom?
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« Reply #57 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:04:00 »
Okay, i really don't think your getting the point of what i'm trying to say here, please just read what i'm about to say, think it thought and then post a reply.

If you think that you only need biblical reasons to make something ILLIGAL, then the conclusion if you think that it would be right to make being a Muslim illegal, as in put people in jail because there Muslim. Do you think that would be right?

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« Reply #58 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:05:43 »
Go back and read the original post, please, all of you so we can talk about the exact topic at hand. As to the above post by Sinead, there are tonnes of reasons other than christias ones as to why rape, murder (ect) should be illigal, but i can only find reasons that are purley biblical as to why gay marriage should be illigal.

Tom, when we rely on our own reasoning we can justify any sin, even murder.

We have to obey God's law over man's law, and God's law says homosexuality is an abomination. Under the OT law homosexuals were put to death. This is how serious it is.
The laws of the land often don't follow the law of God, but we follow God first, so yes homosexuality should be illegal for the reason that God says it is a perversion of the most serious kind. If that's what God says then it's good enough for me.

Like I said in a previous post, all sin will be illegal when Jesus reigns on the earth, including being a muslim, or any false religion.
Strip clubs will not exist, abortion will not happen, Christ will not tolerate these things.

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« Reply #59 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:13:09 »
Okay, i really don't think your getting the point of what i'm trying to say here, please just read what i'm about to say, think it thought and then post a reply.

If you think that you only need biblical reasons to make something ILLIGAL, then the conclusion if you think that it would be right to make being a Muslim illegal, as in put people in jail because there Muslim. Do you think that would be right?

Why would it be right to jail someone for a religion? it isn't right for a homosexual, either, although it once was legal to kill them, by God's decree.

We do need a biblical reason for legislating everything moral. What's right is right and God is right.

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« Reply #60 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:36:46 »
You are still side stepping the main question i'm asking, so could you please answer it:

Do you think that it should be illegal, as in people should be put in jail, for not being christian? Because that's exactly what your saying (that you only nee the bible to say something is wrong for it to be put into the law of a country)

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« Reply #61 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:39:11 »
You are still side stepping the main question i'm asking, so could you please answer it:

Do you think that it should be illegal, as in people should be put in jail, for not being christian? Because that's exactly what your saying...

No one is saying that because no one believes that.

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« Reply #62 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:40:13 »
Exactly, and you still didn't answer my question...

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« Reply #63 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:42:08 »
Bitter Sweet: I believe you but do you want someone to take away your free will of trying to stop gay marriage? God gives us free will, free will is good.

DigitalAttorney: You really have no idea of the depravity you speak, do you?

God gives you the Word for you to know what is approved of. All contradictory to it is sin:

‎(Romans 6:14 ... 2 Peter 2:19]  For sin shall not be your master ... For a man is a slave to whatever has mastered him.

 If you choose to sin (go against the Word) or support it in such a way as to turn a blind eye to it, then that is your choice. As a Christian though, my stance is firm and with the Word of God when I say homosexuality is abhorrent to God and thus who practice it.

MeMyself @ Bitter Sweet: Have you actually tried to lead a homosexual to the Lord?


Bitter Sweet: Not my job.

John 16:8 When he comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin and righteousness and judgment:

DigitalAttorney: (John 12:48) The one who rejects me and does not receive my words has a judge; the word that I have spoken will judge him on the last day.

Your day is approaching, with you unaware. His word has told you that homosexuality is a sin.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

 If you turn a blind eye to sin, you are no better off than the sinner.

(James 5:20) Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Obviously, that is not you. You will stand condemned.

Bitter Sweet: Ok, what are you doing about preventing adulterers from remarrying (some people believe even looking at porn is adultery)? It's on the list of people that won't inherit the kingdom. Why only pick on gay marriage

DigitalAttorney: Gay marraige is the topic.

(Romans 2:19-23) and if you are sure that you yourself are a guide to the blind, a light to those who are in darkness, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of children, having in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth-- you then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.

You who claim homosexuality is a sin, do you support their marriages?

(Romans 2:24) For, as it is written, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."


Bitter Sweet: I didn't go off topic first. If you want to be righteous, you must be fair in all your judgements and of sound mind.

DigitalAttorney: My judgments are dispensed one matter at a time, and in this particular case regarding the marrying of homosexuals, as I quoted, "The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you."


Bitter Sweet: we can all see how [you base your] judgement.


DigitalAttorney: (John 7:24) Do not judge according to sight, but judge righteous judgment

I judge without hypocrisy and according to the Word of the Lord:

(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

As such, I judge the abominable act of homosexuality as the foundation for homosexual marriage. Therefore the union of homosexuals cannot be holy. And

[Hebrews 12:14]  ... without holiness no one will see the Lord.

TomMoney:... i can only find reasons that are purley biblical as to why gay marriage should be illigal.

DigitalAttorney: (2 John 1:10-11) If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

What other reason do you need, Tom?

TomMoney: If you think that you only need biblical reasons to make something ILLIGAL, then the conclusion if you think that it would be right to make being a Muslim illegal, as in put people in jail because there Muslim. Do you think that would be right?

DigitalAttorney: Tom, what you make legal and illegal in your secular world means nothing to me, nor should it any Christian.

(2 Timothy 2:4) No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer.

What matters is what we think and what we do. If you want to vote for homosexuals marrying go ahead, but my Christian brethren must stand for the Word, and in doing so, we will not vote for such abominations.
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« Reply #64 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:43:17 »
Exactly, and you still didn't answer my question...

Sure did.

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« Reply #65 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:44:12 »
DigitalAtturney: Dude, your can't you see that your taking the cop out route, to avoid the logical conclusion to my argument. Also, love the indirect implication that i'm not a christian. Also, your knowledge of scripture is impressive.

OtherPersonI'mTalkngTo: It wasn't an answer, it was an around about statement that implied something that you didn't want to say directly because you know it will prove my point, which is, for the last time:

The only reason for gay marriage being illegal are biblical ones

Hence, if you think that you can use purely biblical ones to make something illegal, than you should think that being a Muslim (ect) should be illegal.

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« Reply #66 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:49:02 »
(2 Timothy 2:4) No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer.

What matters is what we think and what we do. If you want to vote for homosexuals marrying go ahead, but my Christian brethren must stand for the Word, and in doing so, we will not vote for such abominations.

So you don't vote at all since you don't get involved in civilian affairs? Isn't it such a freedom to not be a part of this world, instead we are citizens of the universe with God! Doesn't get any freer than this!

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« Reply #67 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:50:41 »
DigitalAtturney: Dude, your can't you see that your taking the cop out route to avoid the logical conclusion to my argument. Also, love the indirect implication that i'm not a christian. Also, your knowledge of scripture is impressive.

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« Reply #68 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:51:00 »
(2 Timothy 2:4) No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer.

What matters is what we think and what we do. If you want to vote for homosexuals marrying go ahead, but my Christian brethren must stand for the Word, and in doing so, we will not vote for such abominations.

Bitter Sweet: So you don't vote at all since you don't get involved in civilian affairs? Isn't it such a freedom to not be a part of this world, instead we are citizens of the universe with God! Doesn't get any freer than this!

DigitalAttorney: What it means is what I said.  If you want to vote for homosexuals marrying go ahead, but my Christian brethren must stand for the Word, and in doing so, we will not vote for such abominations. Our Commander is the Lord and it is His word which governs our ideology.

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« Reply #69 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:52:10 »
Tomoney, what about you, if you had a choice to vote whether homosexuals should have the right to marry the same as straight people - what would you vote?

I think for me this is the core issue here. Homosexuals are not and never will be married in the eyes of God regardless of what the law says.
God has made marriage to be between a husband and a wife.

The country itself will choose whether or not to allow them to get 'married' but we should stand against that and i think that is what people are trying to say.


 

     
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