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« Reply #70 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:56:46 »
Your still stepping around the question that I've been asking

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and yet no one can seem to answer.

And to answer YOUR question, i would vote with what i believe, that in this country, the government, nor the people have the right to enforce their religion on others.

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« Reply #71 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 05:59:10 »

The only reason for gay marriage being illegal are biblical ones

Hence, if you think that you can use purely biblical ones to make something illegal, than you should think that being a Muslim (ect) should be illegal.

I can't see one biblical reason for making Islam illegal. It is an ideology, a religion. I do see a biblical reason for making homosexual marriage illegal, as it is a morality issue. Homosexuality is a demonic condition, a spiritual stronghold in a person and what we are dealing with is an epidemic of demonic sickness of the soul which is influencing all cultures in the world.

We who are the people of God have to make a stand against it, which we are doing way too late, but nevertheless, we need to do so. We need to stem the tide, and reach out to these people and show them Christ, and rescue them from the evil one---not cater to their whims. That is the right-thinking person's answer.

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« Reply #72 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:00:59 »
Your still stepping around the question that I've been asking

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and yet no one can seem to answer.

And to answer YOUR question, i would vote with what i believe, that in this country, the government, nor the people have the right to enforce their religion on others.

If you wanted to vote for homosexuals to get 'married' then that is up to you.
But we have all stated we would not and will not do that.


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« Reply #73 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:04:55 »
(2 Timothy 2:4) No one serving as a soldier gets involved in civilian affairs—he wants to please his commanding officer.

What matters is what we think and what we do. If you want to vote for homosexuals marrying go ahead, but my Christian brethren must stand for the Word, and in doing so, we will not vote for such abominations.

Bitter Sweet: So you don't vote at all since you don't get involved in civilian affairs? Isn't it such a freedom to not be a part of this world, instead we are citizens of the universe with God! Doesn't get any freer than this!

DigitalAttorney: What it means is what I said.  If you want to vote for homosexuals marrying go ahead, but my Christian brethren must stand for the Word, and in doing so, we will not vote for such abominations. Our Commander is the Lord and it is His word which governs our ideology.

TomMoney:  i would vote with what i believe, that in this country, the government, nor the people have the right to enforce their religion on others.

DigitalAttorney: Everyones vote reflects their belief. You have as much right to impose your belief on the Christian that votes against homosexual marraige as they have to impose their view on your belief. That's a democracy. So vote how you will. God will judge you in the end.

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« Reply #74 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:07:21 »

DigitalAttorney: Everyones vote reflects their belief. You have as much right to impose your belief on the Christian that votes against homosexual marraige as they have to impose their view on your belief. That's a democracy. So vote how you will. God will judge you in the end.

My thoughts exactly. We are all responsible for what we do and we will all stand before God one day and give an account for what we have done.


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« Reply #75 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:07:39 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong?

2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)

3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong?

4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)?

5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal?

6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal?

Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue?

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« Reply #76 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:12:00 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong? Yes

2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question) Yes it is physically unhealthy and leads to physical problems (I dont want to go into detail about this) It is unnatural. It was also deemed a mental disorder in the DSM IV until liberals took it out.

3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong? Yes

4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)? Because they are following and worshipping a false god and believe in killing christians and Jews.

5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal? Do I think it should be made into a crime that you get prosecuted and jailed for? No. Would I vote for them to get 'married'? No.

6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal? Yes

Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue? No

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« Reply #77 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:17:36 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong?

Yes.

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2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)

Yes, one being that it can be a demonic spirit that a person needs deliverance of.

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3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong?

Yes, as one stands condemned without Christ.

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4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)?

No. Islam is an idol-worshiping religion. It rejects salvation in Christ.

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5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal?

Yes, as it is spiritually illegal already.

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6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal?

Yes, as there is no point to it.

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Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue?

I see there is an agenda of sorts, but what else is new?

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« Reply #78 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:27:48 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong? Yes

2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question) Yes it is physically unhealthy and leads to physical problems (I dont want to go into detail about this) It is unnatural. It was also deemed a mental disorder in the DSM IV until liberals took it out.

3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong? Yes

4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)? Because they are following and worshipping a false god and believe in killing christians and Jews.

5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal? Do I think it should be made into a crime that you get prosecuted and jailed for? No. Would I vote for them to get 'married'? No.

6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal? Yes

Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue? No

Oh wow, okay, i'm beginning to think this a a lost cause, but i'll keep going.

Regarding your answer to:

Question Two: "Yes it is physically unhealthy and leads to physical problems (I dont want to go into detail about this) It is unnatural. It was also deemed a mental disorder in the DSM IV until liberals took it out."

My response: Just because something leads to physical problems doesn't mean its wrong (work, sports, doing mission work in risky countries). Only the bible says its unnatural, so yeah.... Annnnnddd, your saying that because the DSM says something, it means its true, until it no longer supports what you believe, and then its wrong?

Question Four: "Because they are following and worshipping a false god and believe in killing christians and Jews."

My Response: This made my cry, as in literally made me cry. Saying that Muslims believe in killing Christians and Jews is like saying that because the West Burro Baptist church goes around screaming "GOD HATES FAGS" (And i honestly do pray to god that you don't believe that) that all Christians are like that.

Question Five: "Do I think it should be made into a crime that you get prosecuted and jailed for? No."

My Response: Why not, the bible says its wrong?


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« Reply #79 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:33:22 »
1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong?
Yes.
Correct

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2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)
Yes, one being that it can be a demonic spirit that a person needs deliverance of.
This is biblical
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3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong?
Yes, as one stands condemned without Christ.
Correct

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4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)?
No. Islam is an idol-worshiping religion. It rejects salvation in Christ.
Correct

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5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal?
Yes, as it is spiritually illegal already.
Ahhh, so you think that being a Muslim should be illegal? As, like you said before, that is also spiritually illegal

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6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal?
Yes, as there is no point to it.


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Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue?

I see there is an agenda of sorts, but what else is new?
I'm sorry is i'm miss reading this, but are you implying that i'm gay?

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« Reply #80 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:38:44 »
1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong?
Yes.
Correct

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2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)
Yes, one being that it can be a demonic spirit that a person needs deliverance of.
This is biblical
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3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong?
Yes, as one stands condemned without Christ.
Correct

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4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)?
No. Islam is an idol-worshiping religion. It rejects salvation in Christ.
Correct

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5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal?
Yes, as it is spiritually illegal already.
Ahhh, so you think that being a Muslim should be illegal? As, like you said before, that is also spiritually illegal

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6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal?
Yes, as there is no point to it.


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Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue?

I see there is an agenda of sorts, but what else is new?
I'm sorry is i'm miss reading this, but are you implying that i'm gay?

You appear to be working for the gay agenda, if not the Muslim one.

The Muslim ideology is ungodly, but it doesn't have to be legislated illegal. Homosexuality doesn't have to be illegal, either, but homosexual marriage does--seems I misread the question.

You cannot legislate righteousness.

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« Reply #81 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:43:05 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong? Yes

2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question) Yes it is physically unhealthy and leads to physical problems (I dont want to go into detail about this) It is unnatural. It was also deemed a mental disorder in the DSM IV until liberals took it out.

3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong? Yes

4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)? Because they are following and worshipping a false god and believe in killing christians and Jews.

5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal? Do I think it should be made into a crime that you get prosecuted and jailed for? No. Would I vote for them to get 'married'? No.

6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal? Yes

Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue? No

Oh wow, okay, i'm beginning to think this a a lost cause, but i'll keep going.

Regarding your answer to:

Question Two: "Yes it is physically unhealthy and leads to physical problems (I dont want to go into detail about this) It is unnatural. It was also deemed a mental disorder in the DSM IV until liberals took it out."

My response: Just because something leads to physical problems doesn't mean its wrong (work, sports, doing mission work in risky countries). Only the bible says its unnatural, so yeah.... Annnnnddd, your saying that because the DSM says something, it means its true, until it no longer supports what you believe, and then its wrong?

Yes because the gas goes into the gas tank not the exhaust. Sorry but its true. Going to work is a normal thing to do, so are sports. Homosexuality is not.


Question Four: "Because they are following and worshipping a false god and believe in killing christians and Jews."

My Response: This made my cry, as in literally made me cry. Saying that Muslims believe in killing Christians and Jews is like saying that because the West Burro Baptist church goes around screaming "GOD HATES FAGS" (And i honestly do pray to god that you don't believe that) that all Christians are like that.

Well they do - I read it in their Quran, that's how I know.


Question Five: "Do I think it should be made into a crime that you get prosecuted and jailed for? No."

My Response: Why not, the bible says its wrong?

Yes but the world is run by satan and it wont be illegal until Jesus returns. Do I wish it was illegal? Yes. In a perfect world it would be but as i stated before we are in a fallen world



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« Reply #82 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:45:59 »
"You appear to be working for the gay agenda, if not the Muslim one."

Okay, well i can tell you that i'm not working towards the "Muslim or gay agenda" or what ever that is. This is really a logical flaw I've found with the thinking that gay marriage should be illegal, and my love of a good debate.

"The Muslim ideology is ungodly, but it doesn't have to be legislated illegal. Homosexuality doesn't have to be illegal, either, but homosexual marriage does--seems I misread the question.

You cannot legislate righteousness."

I'm sorry could you please rephrase this, i don't understand


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« Reply #83 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:47:55 »

TomMoney: Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible

DigitalAttorney: If you're a Christian, Tom, there's no other reason needed.

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« Reply #84 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:49:46 »
"You appear to be working for the gay agenda, if not the Muslim one."

Okay, well i can tell you that i'm not working towards the "Muslim or gay agenda" or what ever that is. This is really a logical flaw I've found with the thinking that gay marriage should be illegal, and my love of a good debate.

"The Muslim ideology is ungodly, but it doesn't have to be legislated illegal. Homosexuality doesn't have to be illegal, either, but homosexual marriage does--seems I misread the question.

You cannot legislate righteousness."

I'm sorry could you please rephrase this, i don't understand



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« Reply #85 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:50:49 »
To Sinead: I'm sorry Sinead, but i'm going to have to stop arguing with you right there, your a good christias and you've given me some really lovley advice on my relationship issue, but i'm doing this  ::frustrated:: ::doh:: ::frustrated:: ::doh:: when normaly in a good debate i like to be doing this  ::pondering:: ::smile:: ::pondering:: ::smile:: ::pondering::. I will however say this one last thing, if you take some verses out of our bible, we can sound like were horrible to (ie, those who curse their parents should be put to death)

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« Reply #86 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 06:52:25 »
Some debates are not worthy of Christ.
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« Reply #87 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 07:01:01 »

TomMoney: Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible

DigitalAttorney: If you're a Christian, Tom, there's no other reason needed.

TomMoney: if you take some verses out of our bible, we can sound like were horrible to (ie, those who curse their parents should be put to death)

DigitalAttorney: Although it was only God's chosen people that were given the ordinance of the law to carry out (death penalties, etc.), you need to learn how the foundations of such laws are invaluable, and how the abandonment of such foundational values as "don't curse your parents", have led to lawlessness and leading many to destruction.

For any who can hear, let them hear.

As Christians, we're not under the first covenants ordinances attached to the laws commanded by God for Moses to give to Israel because the coming of the new covenant meant the: "(Colossians 2:14) blotting out the handwriting in the ordinances against us, which was contrary to us, even He has taken it out of the midst, nailing it to the cross;"
 
We must notice something though. Even though the ordinances attached to those laws are not included in the new covenant, the law itself, is holy: "(Romans 7:12) So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good."
 
AN EXAMPLE OF GOD'S UNCHANGING HOLINESS:
 
OLD TESTAMENT LAW: The law says: "(Leviticus 20:13) And a man who lies with a male as one lies with a woman, both of them have done a detestable thing, dying they shall die; their blood shall be on them." The ordinance of the law says: "dying they shall die; their blood shall be on them."
 
 IN THE NEW TESTAMENT: The new covenant says: "(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.""
 
In other words, homosexuality will always be an abomination to God, but whereas Moses was instructed to put to death anyone in Israel that practiced it, we as Christians, have no ordinance under our new covenant which directs us in killing such an individual. Such persons simply do as they will, and will not inherit the kingdom of God. That is the "blotting out the handwriting in the ordinances against us", and that is the grace of God, under the New Covenant.
 
Therefore, the law today may be used to point out what sin is. "(Romans 7:7) What shall we say, then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! Indeed I would not have known what sin was except through the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, "Do not covet."" The law tells us what sin is and pursues it into our hearts, and discovers and reproves the inwards of each man and woman.
 
Through an understanding of the law, we as Christians, come to a knowledge of the forms of holiness required of us to stand in favorable standing before the Lord; because without holiness no one will see the Lord. [Hebrews 12:14].
 
Remember, not only has the Son of God, Jesus Christ, told us to "(Matthew 7:13) Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it.", but he has also forewarned us that: "(Matthew 7:21-23) "Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of Heaven, but the ones who do the will of My Father in Heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name do many works of power? And then I will declare to them, I never knew you; "depart from Me, those working lawlessness.""
 
Therefore, "the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good." [Ro 7:12]

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« Reply #88 on: Thu Jan 12, 2012 - 08:31:37 »
When I voted that marriage should be defined as one man and one woman and that I wanted it kept that way, it did not mean I thought homosexual people should be jailed. (I don't' understand why these topics always have to JUMP to absolutes)  I voted the way I did to say that I thought they should not be married legally, or have the benefits of marriage...does that mean if they chose to go through with a ceremony, they should be jailed? No...just that the ceremony, vows, etc will not be recognized as a legal union.

It doesn't matter if people give them the "right" or not though (which I think will eventually happen :( ), God will not recognize a homosexual union with His blessing. 

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« Reply #89 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 15:46:25 »
The other day I was arguing with a cousin on the subject of gay marriage and whether or not it should be LEGAL, and the following set of logical steps were brought up, and to be honest i couldn't think of any real repute, was wondering what you guys think.

Premise: Gay marriage should be illegal because the bible says it is wrong (I don't really believe there are any other valid reasons that I've seen)

Observation: The bible says that being in a religion other than Christianity (i.e. being a Muslim) is wrong (with arguably one or two exceptions).

Conclusion: Being a Muslim should be illegal, along with swearing, divorce, sex before marriage, lying, coveting and disrespecting your parents (ect).

Obviously (I think) the state don't have the right to make any of these things illegal.

Thoughts?




According to your wisdom, the government does not have the right to declare any sin illegal.

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« Reply #90 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 15:57:59 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong?

2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)

3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong?

4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)?

5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal?

6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal?

Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue?

You can not dictate how I answer your questions.

1. Yes, the bible does say homosexuality is a sin.
2.  The bible is all we need to determine if something is a sin.
3.  The bible says not being a Christian will get you a one way ticket to hell or the lake of fire.
4.  The bible is all we need to determine if being a Muslin is a sin.
5.  I believe homosexuality should not be approved by the government, neither should fornication or adultery.
6.  Yes, gay marriage should be illegal.

Do I see where you are coming from on this issue?

Maybe, but do tell.

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« Reply #91 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 16:08:23 »
OP-  The things a government approves or does not approves affects its blessing or cursing from God.

If our government approves of sinful gay marriages the it is endanger of judgement from God.

People say "God bless America" and believe that it is possible for God to bless, but when we speak of God cursing something, many people reject that idea.

Our government should not approve of any sinful act.  Abortion, homosexualiy, fornication, adultery, murder etc.


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« Reply #92 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 18:24:28 »
Everyone of course realzies that Gay Marriage is an oxymoron right?


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« Reply #93 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 18:35:17 »
Everyone of course realzies that Gay Marriage is an oxymoron right?

(Luke 21:15) for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.

mar·riage Noun /ˈmarij/ The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.


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« Reply #94 on: Fri Jan 13, 2012 - 18:40:08 »
Everyone of course realzies that Gay Marriage is an oxymoron right?

(Luke 21:15) for I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which none of your adversaries will be able to withstand or contradict.

mar·riage Noun /ˈmarij/ The formal union of a man and a woman, typically recognized by law, by which they become husband and wife.



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Offline chosenone

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Re: Gay Marriage
« Reply #95 on: Sun Jan 15, 2012 - 22:43:50 »
Okay then, but you still not answering my question. I'm going to ask six questions, and please, i ask, ney BEG!, of you to just answer them with either yes or no (or maybe, if your feeling wild) and not side step around this with interpretations of bible verses or proclamations of the evils of homosexuality, i beg of you, just yes or no.

1. Does the bible say homosexuality is wrong?

2. Is there any other reason as to why homosexuality is wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)

3. Does the bible say that not being a christian (ei, being a Muslim) is wrong?

4. Is there any other reason as to why being a Muslim wrong other than those discussed in the bible (you may elaborate on the reasons is you answer yes to the question)?

5. Do you think that homosexuality should be illegal?

6. Do you think that gay marriage should be illegal?

Do you see where i'm coming from on this issue?

You can not dictate how I answer your questions.

1. Yes, the bible does say homosexuality is a sin.
2.  The bible is all we need to determine if something is a sin.
3.  The bible says not being a Christian will get you a one way ticket to hell or the lake of fire.
4.  The bible is all we need to determine if being a Muslin is a sin.
5.  I believe homosexuality should not be approved by the government, neither should fornication or adultery.
6.  Yes, gay marriage should be illegal.

Do I see where you are coming from on this issue?

Maybe, but do tell.
 

 Good answers cs.

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Re: Gay Marriage
« Reply #96 on: Sun Jan 22, 2012 - 14:33:30 »
What a lively thread. I would like to include my two cents to the original post about the discussion to the question of gay marriage.

My first thought deals with the original conclusion in the argument that all things deemed wrong/sin in the bible should be illegal.  I would disagree. (as an aside...in the example listed (being Muslim, swearing, divorce, sex before marriage, etc..) several of those are illegal (i.e, obscenity laws, perjury, age of consent laws, cooling off periods for divorce, etc.)

I disagree because the morality that Jesus promotes is to come from within a person. How would you legislate "lust in your heart"? Or, pride, self-righteousness, or hate? The state can make actions illegal, but attitudes of the heart are the root cause. A man embezzles because he covets.

This isn't to say that legislators don't attempt to legislate morality through laws, just that laws in themselves won't perfect a people.

My second thought deals with the premise that marriage should be illegal solely because the Bible says it is wrong, and that idea seems to be the major point of contention in this thread. Are there extra-biblical reasons for marriage to be limited to members of the opposite sex? To many Christians the response is "why would you need anything more?" To many secularists, the response is "no." I believe that the state does have an interest in marriage.

First, as I assume has been pointed out, homosexuals can get married...it just has to be to someone of the opposite sex. This is of importance, because in terms of who can get married, states already have prohibitions on who can't marry (i.e, siblings, parents/children, polygamy, etc.). [Another aside, in Utah polygamists are now challenging marriage laws using same arguments used to promote same sex marriages]

I have more ideas, but got to get going.


 

     
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