Author Topic: Holy Ghost (Read 1644 times)

RobWLarson · « **on:** February 19, 2012, 07:15:06 PM »

This is a poll to see if you fellow Christians know what you believe, and if you can back your beliefs up using the Bible.

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **on:** February 19, 2012, 07:15:06 PM »

grace · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2012, 07:32:16 PM »

I do believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and I believe there is a difference in the indwelling Holy Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit which comes upon a person. I also believe that you can recieve both at the same time.

To prove this would take more than one post though!

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2012, 07:32:16 PM »

fenton · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2012, 08:09:26 PM »

Quote from: grace on February 19, 2012, 07:32:16 PM

I do believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and I believe there is a difference in the indwelling Holy
Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit which comes upon a person. I also believe that you can recieve both at the same time.

To prove this would take more than one post though!

p.rehbein · « **Reply #3 on:** February 26, 2012, 04:53:10 AM »

Quote from: RobWLarson on February 19, 2012, 07:15:06 PM

This is a poll to see if you fellow Christians know what you believe, and if you can back your beliefs up using the Bible.

there's always the choice to "leade by example" ya know ?

Do you know what you believe? Can you back your beliefs up using the Bible?

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RobWLarson · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2012, 06:27:11 PM »

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Do you know what you believe? Can you back your beliefs up using the Bible?

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I like your style. I do know what I believe. I believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost. It is imparted to only believers. You must be saved before you can receive it. The initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost is that you will speak in other tongues as the Spirit giveth utterance(Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:6) I believe it is a language used in prayer unto God (Rom 6:26, 1 Cor 14:2; 14:14-15, Jude 20-21).

Christian Forums and Message Board · « **Reply #4 on:** March 10, 2012, 06:27:11 PM »

Dr. Truth · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2012, 02:10:25 PM »

Quote from: RobWLarson on February 19, 2012, 07:15:06 PM

This is a poll to see if you fellow Christians know what you believe, and if you can back your beliefs up using the Bible.

There are three Christian baptisms. Heb 6: 2. [Plural]
[1]By the Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ. 1 Cor 12: 13.
This is the rebirth Jn 3: 3--8, and the "One baptism" in Eph 4: 5.
[2]The baptism in the Holy Ghost. Matt 3: 11. Acts 1: 8
[3]the baptism in Water. Acts 8: 36--38. Acts 10: 47.

The baptism in the Holy Ghost is a seperate experience to the rebirth.
Some of the disciples were born again in Jn 20: 22.. Peter was because one of the Greek words for , "Love" in Jn 21: 15--17, Is Agape, The God kind of love, Or the love of God, You can only have this if you are born again..Rom 5: 5.

But those disciples in Jn 20: 22 weren't baptised in the Holy Ghost, Neither was the disciples in Act 8: 14--15, Until v17.

The Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues.
Acts 2: 4. Acts 10: 44--46. Acts 19: 2--6.
Acts 9: 17, We know Paul spoke in tongues, 1 Cor 14: 18.
Acts 8: 17--21, The Greek meaning for, "Matter" in v21, Is. Tongues, languages.

So in every Bibilcal acount where people were baptised in the Holy Ghost, They spoke in tongues, Making tongues the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

DaveW · « **Reply #6 on:** April 03, 2012, 05:29:55 AM »

Your poll does not have anything close to something I can vote for.

When a person is born again they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. This is "Spirit Within" and is to enable us to obey HIM and to grow in character. (Fruit of the Spirit)

There is also a time when the Holy Spirit comes upon someone for acts of power and miracles. This is "Spirit Upon." Baptism in (or 'of,' 'into') the Holy Spirit comes under Spirit Upon.

DaveW · « **Reply #7 on:** April 03, 2012, 05:37:54 AM »

Quote from: Dr. Truth on March 16, 2012, 02:10:25 PM

There are three Christian baptisms. Heb 6: 2. [Plural]

Actually there are at least 6.

John's baptism (Matt 3, Mk 1)
Christian water baptism (Matt 28, Mk 16)
Baptism in/of/into the Holy Spirit (Acts 2)
Baptism of fire (Matt 3.11, Luk 3.16)
Baptism of suffering (Mk 10.38-39)
Baptism into the body (1 Cor 12.13)

Dr. Truth · « **Reply #8 on:** April 03, 2012, 06:31:02 AM »

Quote from: DaveW on April 03, 2012, 05:37:54 AM

Quote from: Dr. Truth on March 16, 2012, 02:10:25 PM

There are three Christian baptisms. Heb 6: 2. [Plural]

Actually there are at least 6.

John's baptism (Matt 3, Mk 1)
Christian water baptism (Matt 28, Mk 16)
Baptism in/of/into the Holy Spirit (Acts 2)
Baptism of fire (Matt 3.11, Luk 3.16)
Baptism of suffering (Mk 10.38-39)
Baptism into the body (1 Cor 12.13)

John's baptism isn't a Christian one.
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost is the fire, Mat 3: 11, one of The things that purifies us.
The baptism of suffering isn't a real baptism, It just means willing to suffer for Jesus.

That leaves thre Christian baptisms.

First.
The Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ.
Second.
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
Third
Baptism in water.

The baptism in the Holy Ghost can be received either before or after water baptism.

Norton · « **Reply #9 on:** April 03, 2012, 10:55:12 PM »

The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

Bitter Sweet · « **Reply #10 on:** April 04, 2012, 03:25:21 AM »

Quote from: Norton on April 03, 2012, 10:55:12 PM

the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance.

John 3:8 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

Dr. Truth · « **Reply #11 on:** April 04, 2012, 03:47:58 AM »

Quote from: Norton on April 03, 2012, 10:55:12 PM

The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

I guess you don't read the Bible, I will show you what Jesus said.
Acts 1: 4-5. V5, "You shall be BAPTISED IN THE HOLY GHOST, Not many days hence".

Acts 2: 4, Was their baptism in the Holy Ghost as Jesus promised, Acts 1: 4.

Jn 20: 22 shows that some of the disciples were already born again, [Which is the Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ], 1 Cor 12: 13.
So they already had two baptism,
[1] Water baptism. [2]The rebirth The Spiritual baptism into the body of Christ.
And in Acts 2: 4 they had their third baptism, The baptism in the Holy Ghost.

The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

Bitter Sweet · « **Reply #12 on:** April 04, 2012, 05:27:05 AM »

Quote from: Norton on April 03, 2012, 10:55:12 PM

The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

John 16:29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.

Bitter Sweet · « **Reply #13 on:** April 04, 2012, 08:18:28 AM »

Quenching/experiments will make it inactive.

winsome · « **Reply #14 on:** April 04, 2012, 08:39:36 AM »

Quote from: Norton on April 03, 2012, 10:55:12 PM

The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

I agree

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