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Holy Ghost
« on: Sun Feb 19, 2012 - 20:15:06 »
This is a poll to see if you fellow Christians know what you believe, and if you can back your beliefs up using the Bible.

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Re: Holy Ghost
« Reply #1 on: Sun Feb 19, 2012 - 20:32:16 »
I do believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and I believe there is a difference in the indwelling Holy Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit which comes upon a person. I also believe that you can recieve both at the same time.

To prove this would take more than one post though!

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Re: Holy Ghost
« Reply #2 on: Sun Feb 19, 2012 - 21:09:26 »
I do believe in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit...and I believe there is a difference in the indwelling  Holy
Spirit and Baptism of the Holy Spirit which comes upon a person. I also believe that you can recieve both at the same time.

To prove this would take more than one post though!


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« Reply #3 on: Sun Feb 26, 2012 - 05:53:10 »
This is a poll to see if you fellow Christians know what you believe, and if you can back your beliefs up using the Bible.


there's always the choice to "leade by example" ya know ?   ::smile::

Do you know what you believe?  Can you back your beliefs up using the Bible?

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Re: Holy Ghost
« Reply #4 on: Sat Mar 10, 2012 - 19:27:11 »
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Do you know what you believe?  Can you back your beliefs up using the Bible?

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I like your style. I do know what I believe. I believe in the baptism of the Holy Ghost. It is imparted to only believers. You must be saved before you can receive it. The initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost is that you will speak in other tongues as the Spirit giveth utterance(Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46, Acts 19:6) I believe it is a language used in prayer unto God (Rom 6:26, 1 Cor 14:2; 14:14-15, Jude 20-21).

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Re: Holy Ghost
« Reply #5 on: Fri Mar 16, 2012 - 15:10:25 »
This is a poll to see if you fellow Christians know what you believe, and if you can back your beliefs up using the Bible.



There are three Christian baptisms. Heb 6: 2. [Plural]
[1]By the Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ. 1 Cor 12: 13.
This is the rebirth Jn 3: 3--8, and the "One baptism" in Eph 4: 5.
[2]The baptism in the Holy Ghost. Matt 3: 11. Acts 1: 8
[3]the baptism in Water. Acts 8: 36--38. Acts 10: 47.

The baptism in the Holy Ghost is a seperate experience to the rebirth.
Some of the disciples were born again in Jn 20: 22.. Peter was because one of the Greek words for , "Love"  in Jn 21: 15--17, Is Agape, The God kind of love, Or the love of God, You can only have this if you are born again..Rom 5: 5.

But those disciples in Jn 20: 22 weren't baptised in the Holy Ghost, Neither was the disciples in Act 8: 14--15, Until v17.

The Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues.
Acts 2: 4.  Acts 10: 44--46.  Acts 19: 2--6.
Acts 9: 17, We know Paul spoke in tongues, 1 Cor 14:  18.
Acts 8: 17--21, The Greek meaning for, "Matter" in v21, Is. Tongues, languages.

So in every Bibilcal acount where people were baptised in the Holy Ghost, They spoke in tongues, Making tongues the Biblical evidence of the baptism in the Holy Ghost.

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Re: Holy Ghost
« Reply #6 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 06:29:55 »
Your poll does not have anything close to something I can vote for.

When a person is born again they are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. This is "Spirit Within" and is to enable us to obey HIM and to grow in character. (Fruit of the Spirit)

There is also a time when the Holy Spirit comes upon someone for acts of power and miracles. This is "Spirit Upon."   Baptism in (or 'of,' 'into') the Holy Spirit comes under Spirit Upon.

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« Reply #7 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 06:37:54 »

There are three Christian baptisms. Heb 6: 2. [Plural]

Actually there are at least 6.

John's baptism (Matt 3, Mk 1)
Christian water baptism (Matt 28, Mk 16)
Baptism in/of/into the Holy Spirit (Acts 2)
Baptism of fire (Matt 3.11, Luk 3.16)
Baptism of suffering (Mk 10.38-39)
Baptism into the body (1 Cor 12.13)

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Re: Holy Ghost
« Reply #8 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 07:31:02 »

There are three Christian baptisms. Heb 6: 2. [Plural]

Actually there are at least 6.

John's baptism (Matt 3, Mk 1)
Christian water baptism (Matt 28, Mk 16)
Baptism in/of/into the Holy Spirit (Acts 2)
Baptism of fire (Matt 3.11, Luk 3.16)
Baptism of suffering (Mk 10.38-39)
Baptism into the body (1 Cor 12.13)


John's baptism isn't a Christian one.
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost is the fire, Mat 3: 11, one of The   things that purifies us.
The baptism of suffering isn't a real baptism, It just means willing to suffer for Jesus.

That leaves thre Christian baptisms.

First.
The Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ.
Second.
The Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
Third
Baptism in water.

The baptism in the Holy Ghost can be received either before or after water baptism.

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« Reply #9 on: Tue Apr 03, 2012 - 23:55:12 »
The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 04:25:21 »
the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance.

John 3:8 5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘You[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.
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« Reply #11 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 04:47:58 »
The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.


I guess you don't read the Bible, I will show you what Jesus said.
Acts 1: 4-5. V5, "You shall be BAPTISED IN THE HOLY GHOST, Not many days hence".

Acts 2: 4, Was their baptism in the Holy Ghost as Jesus promised, Acts 1: 4.

Jn 20: 22 shows  that some of the disciples were already born again, [Which is the Spirit baptising us into the body of Christ], 1 Cor 12: 13.
So they already had two baptism,
[1] Water baptism. [2]The rebirth The Spiritual baptism into the body of Christ.
And in Acts 2: 4 they had their third baptism, The baptism in the Holy Ghost.

The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

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« Reply #12 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 06:27:05 »
The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

John 16:29 Then Jesus’ disciples said, “Now you are speaking clearly and without figures of speech. 30 Now we can see that you know all things and that you do not even need to have anyone ask you questions. This makes us believe that you came from God.

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« Reply #13 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 09:18:28 »
Quenching/experiments will make it inactive.

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« Reply #14 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 09:39:36 »
The word "baptism" means to immerse or to wash. Baptism in fire, baptism in suffering, and baptism in the Holy Spirit are all metaphorical uses of the word baptism. The Holy Spirit was "poured out" on the Day of Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was not literally poured out, nor was anyone literally immersed in the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost unless the Holy Spirit really is an invisible liquid or a gaseous substance. We are baptized in the Spirit, anointed with the Spirit, receive the gift of the Spirit, are born of the Spirit, washed by the Spirit, had the Spirit poured out on us, and indwelt by the Spirit; all metaphorical terms used to describe what cannot be literally described in human language. If someone can clearly and biblically distinguish baptism of the Spirit from all these other metaphorical "operations" of the Spirit, I would be interested in seeing it done.

I agree

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« Reply #15 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 09:40:45 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

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« Reply #16 on: Wed Apr 04, 2012 - 15:04:34 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

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« Reply #17 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 02:45:11 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

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« Reply #18 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 04:31:08 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

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« Reply #19 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 04:38:44 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?

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« Reply #20 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 11:38:20 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

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« Reply #21 on: Thu Apr 05, 2012 - 12:00:21 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

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« Reply #22 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 05:17:46 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

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« Reply #23 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 06:47:11 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.

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« Reply #24 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 10:24:30 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


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« Reply #25 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 10:58:18 »
Hebrews 9:23 It was necessary, then, for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these sacrifices, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made with human hands that was only a copy of the true one; he entered heaven itself, now to appear for us in God’s presence. 25 Nor did he enter heaven to offer himself again and again, the way the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood that is not his own. 26 Otherwise Christ would have had to suffer many times since the creation of the world. But he has appeared once for all at the culmination of the ages to do away with sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

The human genome is made up by 8% viruses. Scientist were studying, don't know if it was concluded, that schizophrenia and bipolar is being linked to a virus. It didn't say this but the virus is being turned on by the level of salt in our brains and or bodies. We are the salt of the earth. Salt is also the foundation of civilization.

I've also heard that viruses come from comets, asteroids, heavenly things.

Since our DNA contains copies of viruses, then they are passed down through our blood, just like how someone else stated a couple thousand years ago.

BUT there must be a source for the virus, that would be a spring that contains salt (living water). I don't think it would be too hot, but it looked very similar to the photo I posted. AND Ezekiel was seeing something similar, then he went on and on and I don't know what else he was talking about, it always looked like a car with passengers inside to me.


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« Reply #26 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 11:32:17 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.

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« Reply #27 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 14:13:29 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.



1)Total immersion is the only way, As I have proved.

2)How come every time the Bible proves you wrong, It is a metaphor??
You are just like the JWs, Every time the Bible proved them wrong, It is either a myth or symbolic.

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« Reply #28 on: Fri Apr 06, 2012 - 15:07:12 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.



1)Total immersion is the only way, As I have proved.

No you haven't proved it.  In the Baptism thread I have just proved that baptism can be pouring.

2)How come every time the Bible proves you wrong, It is a metaphor??
You are just like the JWs, Every time the Bible proved them wrong, It is either a myth or symbolic.

You haven't proved me wrong.

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« Reply #29 on: Sat Apr 07, 2012 - 03:56:54 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.



1)Total immersion is the only way, As I have proved.

No you haven't proved it.  In the Baptism thread I have just proved that baptism can be pouring.

2)How come every time the Bible proves you wrong, It is a metaphor??
You are just like the JWs, Every time the Bible proved them wrong, It is either a myth or symbolic.

You haven't proved me wrong.


Now your telling porkies.

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« Reply #30 on: Sat Apr 07, 2012 - 04:32:09 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.



1)Total immersion is the only way, As I have proved.

No you haven't proved it.  In the Baptism thread I have just proved that baptism can be pouring.

2)How come every time the Bible proves you wrong, It is a metaphor??
You are just like the JWs, Every time the Bible proved them wrong, It is either a myth or symbolic.

You haven't proved me wrong.


Now your telling porkies.

If you are reduced to that then I guess this discussion has run its course.

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« Reply #31 on: Sat Apr 07, 2012 - 08:17:27 »
The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?



Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.



1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.


No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.



1)Total immersion is the only way, As I have proved.

No you haven't proved it.  In the Baptism thread I have just proved that baptism can be pouring.

2)How come every time the Bible proves you wrong, It is a metaphor??
You are just like the JWs, Every time the Bible proved them wrong, It is either a myth or symbolic.

You haven't proved me wrong.


Now your telling porkies.

If you are reduced to that then I guess this discussion has run its course.


I have proved you wrong by the original Greek text, And you said I haven't  Maybe saying you are telling porkies is a bit srong.
But you are definattely mistaken.

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« Reply #32 on: Sat Apr 07, 2012 - 13:50:46 »
I just wanted to know what other believers in Christ understood of the Holy Ghost and his work in the church today. The Bible is very clear that debate, backbiting, and being quarrelsome are all works of the flesh. Those who commit these sins shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So I would ask for a civil conversation in this thread at least.

Concerning the literal vs the symbolic. Let us take the Bible at face value here. In Eph we are told that we, as believers in Christ, are apart of his body, to the very point where we are sitting in heavenly places with Christ Jesus. This is a very important doctrine to understand here.

When a sinner looks at you(provided you are a Christian)he must not see anything less than very God in the flesh. No man can see God. So as Christians we show men God. We are seated with Christ on his throne. When men see Christ in us and us in Christ they will be forced to make a choice. To follow after you(in doing so they will follow Christ, as Paul said "Follow me as I follow Christ")or to follow after Satan and his way is to hell.

This is what matters most. And if you miss that in your arguing over pouring or immersion you will miss the whole point of salvation and Holy Ghost baptism altogether.

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« Reply #33 on: Sat Apr 07, 2012 - 14:07:42 »
Great post Rob!

But are you SURE that it isn't proving others wrong that is most important?

rofl

God bless you - looking forward to reading more of your posts!

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« Reply #34 on: Mon Apr 09, 2012 - 02:48:48 »
I just wanted to know what other believers in Christ understood of the Holy Ghost and his work in the church today. The Bible is very clear that debate, backbiting, and being quarrelsome are all works of the flesh. Those who commit these sins shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So I would ask for a civil conversation in this thread at least.

Concerning the literal vs the symbolic. Let us take the Bible at face value here. In Eph we are told that we, as believers in Christ, are apart of his body, to the very point where we are sitting in heavenly places with Christ Jesus. This is a very important doctrine to understand here.

When a sinner looks at you(provided you are a Christian)he must not see anything less than very God in the flesh. No man can see God. So as Christians we show men God. We are seated with Christ on his throne. When men see Christ in us and us in Christ they will be forced to make a choice. To follow after you(in doing so they will follow Christ, as Paul said "Follow me as I follow Christ")or to follow after Satan and his way is to hell.

This is what matters most. And if you miss that in your arguing over pouring or immersion you will miss the whole point of salvation and Holy Ghost baptism altogether.



When the Bible says, "Those who commit sins, Shall not inherit the KIngdom of God", It isn't talking about the Christians.

We, Christians do walk like Jesus walked, Or we should.

 

     
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