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Martin Luther Was Wrong About Good Works
« on: Sat Dec 22, 2012 - 09:37:17 »


When a sinner turns to the Lord and confess his sins They should begin a new life by change themselves, and doing good in the name of Jesus Christ, not just with faith alone, but Faith with good works of charity.

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Re: Martin Luther Was Wrong About Good Works
« Reply #1 on: Sat Dec 22, 2012 - 10:26:38 »


When a sinner turns to the Lord and confess his sins They should begin a new life by change themselves, and doing good in the name of Jesus Christ, not just with faith alone, but Faith with good works of charity.

Harry ::smile::




Its God that does the changing...if one wants to please Him that is.  Our efforts fall flat of His glory.

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Re: Martin Luther Was Wrong About Good Works
« Reply #2 on: Sat Dec 22, 2012 - 11:11:47 »


When a sinner turns to the Lord and confess his sins They should begin a new life by change themselves, and doing good in the name of Jesus Christ, not just with faith alone, but Faith with good works of charity.

Harry ::smile::




Its God that does the changing...if one wants to please Him that is.  Our efforts fall flat of His glory.

I agree with this. We change as Holy Spirit changes us. We are instructed by Paul to renew our minds, which is something we do by surrendering our thinking to agree with God's.

The good works we are called to are the works of Christ that we do that He tells us to do---not we ourselves.

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Re: Martin Luther Was Wrong About Good Works
« Reply #3 on: Sat Dec 22, 2012 - 15:28:15 »

 The Lord said, If any man hears My words and does not do them, is like a man who builts his on sand.The winds and the rains came, and the house down, because there were no foundation or bedrock.

The signification of a sheep is good; and the signification of a she-goat is the good of truth (AC 3995, 4006). By good simply so called is meant the good of the will; but by the good of truth is meant the good of the understanding. The good of the will is to do good from good; but the good of the understanding is to do good from truth. To those who do good from truth these two appear to be one and the same thing; but yet they differ much from each other; for to do good from good is to do it from the perception of good, and the perception of good exists solely with the celestial; whereas to do good from truth is to do it from memory-knowledge and the consequent understanding; but without the perception that it is so; and only because we have been so instructed by others, or by our own intellectual faculty have of ourselves arrived at the conclusion in question. This may indeed be a fallacious truth, but still if it has good as its end, that which the man does from this truth becomes as good.

[2] That sheep signify goods, may be seen from many passages in the Word, of which the following only shall be adduced. In Isaiah:--

He was afflicted, and He opened not His mouth; He is led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers, and He opened not His mouth (Isa. 53:7);

concerning the Lord, where He is compared to a sheep, not from truth, but from good. In Matthew:--

Jesus said to the twelve whom He sent out, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not; but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel (Matthew 10:5, 6);

the Gentiles to whom they should not go, denote those who are in evils. The Gentiles denote evils (AC 1259, 1260, 1849). The cities of the Samaritans denote those who are in falsities; sheep, those who are in goods.

[3] In John:--

Jesus after His resurrection said to Peter, Feed My lambs; the second time He said, Feed My sheep; and the third time, Feed My sheep (John 21:15-17);

lambs here denote those who are in innocence; sheep as first mentioned, those who are in good from good; and sheep as last mentioned, those who are in good from truth. In Matthew:--

When the Son of man shall come in His glory, He shall set the sheep on His right hand, and the goats on His left; and He shall say unto them on His right hand, Come ye blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was a hungered, and ye gave Me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me to drink; I was a stranger, and ye took Me in; I was naked, and ye clothed Me; I was sick, and ye visited Me; I was in prison, and ye came unto Me. In as much as ye did it unto one of the least of these My brethren, ye did it unto Me (Matthew 25:31-40);

that sheep here denote goods (that is, those who are in good) is very evident. All kinds of the goods of charity are here contained in the internal sense, as of the Lord's Divine mercy will be shown elsewhere. By he-goats are specifically signified those who are in faith and in no charity.

[4] In like manner in Ezekiel:--

As for you, O My flock, saith the Lord Jehovih, behold I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams of the sheep, and the he-goats (Ezek 34:17);

Faith without charity and good works is like the head without the body, because it is all thinking and no doing. It is also like a female bird ready to lay eggs but has no nest.

I have the dvd movie call "Jeremiah "with Patrick Dempsey. 

Jeremiah 7 :1 The word that came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying,

2 “Stand in the gate of the Lord’s house, and proclaim there this word, and say, ‘Hear the word of the Lord, all you of Judah who enter in at these gates to worship the Lord!’”

3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 4 Do not trust in these lying words, saying, ‘The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord are these.’

5 “For if you thoroughly amend your ways and your doings, if you thoroughly execute judgment between a man and his neighbor, 6 if you do not oppress the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, and do not shed innocent blood in this place, or walk after other gods to your hurt, 7 then I will cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers forever and ever.

8 “Behold, you trust in lying words that cannot profit.
9 Will you steal, murder, commit adultery, swear falsely, burn incense to Baal, and walk after other gods whom you do not know,
10 and then come and stand before Me in this house which is called by My name, and say, ‘We are delivered while doing all these abominations’?
11 Has this house, which is called by My name, become a den of thieves in your eyes? Behold, I, even I, have seen it,” says the Lord.



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Re: Martin Luther Was Wrong About Good Works
« Reply #4 on: Sun Dec 23, 2012 - 22:23:40 »
Did Paul deny the writings of James concerning good works? Is there an agreememt between the two?   There is no where in Paul's writings saying  the writings of James is false,  There has a misundering of Paul's  writings since Martin Luther times. In Pau's writing he meant we are not under the Jewish law, He didn't mean the law of the Ten Commandments, that we are not under. The Jewish law is the law of Moses. 

 Paul did not mean the deeds of the law of the Decalogue, which are the Ten Commandments,  but the deeds of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews; thus that by a wrong interpretation of those few words, two enormous falsities had been established, one, that Paul here meant the faith of the present church, and the other, that he meant the deeds of the law of the Decalogue. which are the Ten Commandments. It is clearly evident  that Paul meant the works of the Mosaic law, which were for the Jews, and not the works of the Decalogue, from what he said to Peter, whom he accused of Judaizing, although he knew That no one is justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ (Gal. 2:14-16); "the faith of Jesus Christ" meaning faith in Him and from Him (as may be seen. And because by "the deeds of the law" Paul meant the deeds of the Mosaic law, he distinguished between the law of faith and the law of works, and between the Jews and the Gentiles, or "circumcision" and "uncircumcision," "circumcision" signifying Judaism here as everywhere else. Moreover, Paul closes with these words: Do we then make the law of none effect through faith? God forbid; but we establish the law (saying this in connection with the foregoing), (Rom. 3:27-31).: Not the hearers of a law shall be justified before God, but the doers of a law shall be justified (Rom. 2:13); again: God will render to every man according to his deeds (Rom. 2:6); and again: For we must all be made manifest before the judgement-seat of Christ, that everyone may receive the things done through the body, whether it be good or bad (2 Cor. 5:10); besides other passages in his writings. From all this it is clear that Paul rejected faith without works, just as James did (2:17-26)

Charity is to think and will good, Good works from charity is to do good.

Harry ::smile::
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