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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #175 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 17:30:18 »
Everything that LivelyStone and I have attempted to share with you concerning the truth of God's Word, you brush off as foolishness.

Only because it is.  It is worse than foolishness.  It is a grotesque distortion of God's word.  Neither of you can figure out what of God;s word is for you or about you and what the difference is.  It is just that simple.  The entire Bible is for you.  But in fact not much of it is actually about you.  But you both seem to go through the Bible looking for things God said about others and if it suits you, you simply appropriate it to yourself and think it is God's word.  Foolishness indeed.



1 Cor. 2

12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14  But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Blessings

As I noted above,

In Corithians 2, Paul was not talking about you are me.  He was presenting his authority and credentials as an apostle. You are not an apostle.

1Co 2:1  And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2  For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
1Co 2:3  And I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4  And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
1Co 2:5  that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

How on earth do you guys think that you have the same authority as the apostles.  Unbelievable.
 

Gen. 1:1 to Rev. 22:21 is for the whole church, for our learning.

God did not divide His Word up into little pieces, for different folks.  Man did.

Choosing to believe as you do, I see that you can pick and choose, keep for yourself what you like and discard (as in, Oh, that's for somebody else) what you don't care for.

Get you some Holy Spirit teaching and get on with the work, through the leading of the indwelling Holy Spirit at whatever gift/s God gave you at your salvation.

Blessings

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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #176 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 17:33:14 »
I think it's wonderful you're bringing up grammar.  My grammar died several years ago at the age of 90.  She was such a sweet woman, and made some of the best clam chowder you've ever tasted.  So, though I don't think of her that often any more, I have to say that my grammar was, and still is very important to me.


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13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet.

 14Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name.

 15He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I will be with him in trouble; I will deliver him, and honour him.

 16With long life will I satisfy him, and shew him my salvation.

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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #177 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 17:40:13 »
Everything that LivelyStone and I have attempted to share with you concerning the truth of God's Word, you brush off as foolishness.

Only because it is.  It is worse than foolishness.  It is a grotesque distortion of God's word.  Neither of you can figure out what of God;s word is for you or about you and what the difference is.  It is just that simple.  The entire Bible is for you.  But in fact not much of it is actually about you.  But you both seem to go through the Bible looking for things God said about others and if it suits you, you simply appropriate it to yourself and think it is God's word.  Foolishness indeed.



1 Cor. 2

12  Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Ghost teaches; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

14  But the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Blessings

As I noted above,

In Corithians 2, Paul was not talking about you are me.  He was presenting his authority and credentials as an apostle. You are not an apostle.

1Co 2:1  And when I came to you, brethren, I did not come with superiority of speech or of wisdom, proclaiming to you the testimony of God.
1Co 2:2  For I determined to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ, and Him crucified.
1Co 2:3  And I was with you in weakness and in fear and in much trembling.
1Co 2:4  And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,
1Co 2:5  that your faith should not rest on the wisdom of men, but on the power of God.

How on earth do you guys think that you have the same authority as the apostles.  Unbelievable.
 

Gen. 1:1 to Rev. 22:21 is for the whole church, for our learning.


Of course.  As I have already stated, the entire Bible is for us.  It is not necessarily about us.  You quite obviously do not know the difference.  God told Abraham to offer up his son as a burnt offering.  Assuming that you have children, do you think that is about you as well as about Abraham?  I would hope not.  But at this point, given the way you intprepret, I can't be certain.

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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #178 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 17:47:19 »
Everything that LivelyStone and I have attempted to share with you concerning the truth of God's Word, you brush off as foolishness.

Only because it is.  It is worse than foolishness.  It is a grotesque distortion of God's word.  Neither of you can figure out what of God;s word is for you or about you and what the difference is.  It is just that simple.  The entire Bible is for you.  But in fact not much of it is actually about you.  But you both seem to go through the Bible looking for things God said about others and if it suits you, you simply appropriate it to yourself and think it is God's word.  Foolishness indeed.



What does the word say about those who consider truth as foolishness? This applies:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.


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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #179 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 17:59:34 »

How on earth do you guys think that you have the same authority as the apostles.  Unbelievable.
 

We who believe on the Lord Jesus Christ should understand that in His Name we have an even mightier authority than that of the police officer.

Matthew 28:18
Jesus came and told his disciples, “I have been given all authority in heaven and on earth.

Jesus has given this authority to us, His followers.


Luke 9:1-2
One day Jesus called together his twelve disciples and gave them power and authority to cast out all demons and to heal all diseases. Then he sent them out to tell everyone about the Kingdom of God and to heal the sick.

Mark 13:34
“The coming of the Son of Man can be illustrated by the story of a man going on a long trip. When he left home, he gave each of his slaves instructions about the work they were to do, and he told the gatekeeper to watch for his return.

Mark 16:15, 17, 18
And then he told them, “Go into all the world and preach the Good News to everyone.  ...These miraculous signs will accompany those who believe: They will cast out demons in my name, and they will speak in new languages. They will be able to handle snakes with safety, and if they drink anything poisonous, it won’t hurt them. They will be able to place their hands on the sick, and they will be healed.

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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #180 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 18:06:35 »
I shutter to think of all the poor misguided pastors and teachers who have been feeding the sheep all through the centuries in ignorance!

Maybe some one should have told them Jesus was just talking to Peter!
 ::laughinghisterically::

That is the most ignorant way of reading the Word I have ever run across.

Most of us understand when a passage of scripture pertains to Jews and does not pertain to Gentiles but it is completely ridiculous to exclude one's self from the promises of God simply because the way it was presented was in a conversation  between Joshua and Moses or God and Joshua, Jesus and Peter or Jesus and the woman at the well

There's no word for a doctrine based on studying the Word like that other than AMISS
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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #181 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 18:16:19 »
I shutter to think of all the poor misguided pastors and teachers who have been feeding the sheep all through the centuries in ignorance!

Maybe some one should have told them Jesus was just talking to Peter!
 ::laughinghisterically::

That is the most ignorant way of reading the Word I have ever run across.

Most of us understand when a passage of scripture pertains to Jews and does not pertain to Gentiles but it is completely ridiculous to exclude one's self from the promises of God simply because the way it was presented was in a conversation  between Joshua and Moses or God and Joshua, Jesus and Peter or Jesus and the woman at the well

There's no word for a doctrine based on studying the like that other than AMISS



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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #182 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 18:29:34 »
Everything that LivelyStone and I have attempted to share with you concerning the truth of God's Word, you brush off as foolishness.

Only because it is.  It is worse than foolishness.  It is a grotesque distortion of God's word.  Neither of you can figure out what of God;s word is for you or about you and what the difference is.  It is just that simple.  The entire Bible is for you.  But in fact not much of it is actually about you.  But you both seem to go through the Bible looking for things God said about others and if it suits you, you simply appropriate it to yourself and think it is God's word.  Foolishness indeed.




Ephesians 3:16-19
I pray that from his glorious, unlimited resources he will empower you with inner strength through his Spirit. Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong. And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #183 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 18:36:37 »
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God did not give all gifts to all. The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself. See Acts 2:38,39

Not only are you scripturally incorrect...but in your very statement is the contradiction to your own point!

First of all The Holy Spirit HIMSELF not itself!

The Holy Spirit is not an IT!

Your choice of words shows us that your first and greatest mistake is NOT BEING ABSOLUTELY CLEAR within your own heart and mind that the Holy Spirit IS GOD

So what you, unwittingly speak of as "the only gift" IS actually THE GREATEST GIFT, GOD HIMSELF LIVING WITHIN US!!!!

That established my next point is God is still powerful today as He has always been, He is still capable and able to do anything He's ever done!

Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. Hebrews 13:8

Now since basic Christian doctrine seems to often go awry in this forum please refer to the following verses;

No doubt someone will say Jesus was only speaking to the Apostles in these verses as well...to which I say, if you see your faith in that shabby of  a light, there is no hope for you in this discussion for anyone that  one denies themselves the promise of praying to God in the Name of Jesus....

FYI Praying to the Father in Jesus Name
That's what known as AUTHORITY, in legal terms its whats known as Power of Attorney

If you have the legal right to use a person's name you have authority IN THE NAME of that person, in this case the person is Jesus!

"If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. John 14:14

John 15:16
You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you to go and bear fruit--fruit that will last. Then the Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.

John 16:23
In that day you will no longer ask me anything. I tell you the truth, my Father will give you whatever you ask in my name.


John 16:24[/b] Until now you have not asked for anything in my name. Ask and you will receive, and your joy will be complete.

Lets summarize the 3 Points established herein

The Holy Spirit is God

God is the same He does not change

We have the authority to pray to The Father in the Name of Jesus

The Holy Spirit is the Gift of the Father

The Holy Spirit lives in us

ALL THE GIFTS BELONG TO HIM

The only weak link to The Gifts operating through a believer
IS THE WEAKNESS OF THE BELIEVERS OWN FAITH and His lack of understanding of what he has been given and WHOM it is living within him. Hence a weak faithed believer will not lay hands praying for healing because they don't believe God still heals according to ones faith

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The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself.

The ONLY gift!!??

Its actually quite funny in a very sad sort of way that you see the greatest of all Gifts God has given as somehow minimal or not enough

God gave us His Indwelling Presence and you call that only ::frown::

and on top of that you see His Inner presence somehow as inert and lifeless incapable of healing, miracles and all the things He is capable of doing

Was He inert inside of Jesus when Jesus walked as a man on earth?

How can He lead you and guide you, if you see  Him as some sort of inert lifeless force?

Seriously some of you need to stop reading and start praying....SERIOUSLY!

You do not understand what you're reading....at ALL!

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« Reply #184 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 19:15:20 »
This thread is still full of haughtiness.   ::frown::

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« Reply #185 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 19:36:23 »
Everything that LivelyStone and I have attempted to share with you concerning the truth of God's Word, you brush off as foolishness.

Only because it is.  It is worse than foolishness.  It is a grotesque distortion of God's word.  Neither of you can figure out what of God;s word is for you or about you and what the difference is.  It is just that simple.  The entire Bible is for you.  But in fact not much of it is actually about you.  But you both seem to go through the Bible looking for things God said about others and if it suits you, you simply appropriate it to yourself and think it is God's word.  Foolishness indeed.



What does the word say about those who consider truth as foolishness? This applies:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



It is not the things of the Spirit of God that I am calling foolish.  But the ego of yours wouldn't have seen that in a million years.

If in fact Paul's writing were in fact as you proclaim, then Paul's writing would not have even been required.  If all the saints in Corinth were inspired receptors of the revelation from the Holy Spirit as you claim, then Paul was simply "preaching to the choir".  But of course Paul wasn't referring to all or any of those in Corinth, nor to you.  But again you can't seem to accept that you are not an apostle and are not inspired as an apostle which was the subject of 1 Cor 2.

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« Reply #186 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 19:40:22 »
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The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself.

The ONLY gift!!??

Its actually quite funny in a very sad sort of way that you see the greatest of all Gifts God has given as somehow minimal or not enough

Once again you don't read very well.  But I accept that.  So I will let you answer yourself.  What gift beside the indwelling Holy Spirit has God given to every saint?

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« Reply #187 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 19:42:14 »
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The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself.

The ONLY gift!!??

Its actually quite funny in a very sad sort of way that you see the greatest of all Gifts God has given as somehow minimal or not enough

Once again you don't read very well.  But I accept that.  So I will let you answer yourself.  What gift besides the indwelling Holy Spirit has God given to every saint?

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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #188 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 19:45:23 »
Excellent points Gospel! 

Blessings  ::smile::

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« Reply #189 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 20:18:01 »
This thread is still full of haughtiness.   ::frown::

Haughtiness is in snubbing God's great gifts.

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« Reply #190 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 20:22:14 »
Everything that LivelyStone and I have attempted to share with you concerning the truth of God's Word, you brush off as foolishness.

Only because it is.  It is worse than foolishness.  It is a grotesque distortion of God's word.  Neither of you can figure out what of God;s word is for you or about you and what the difference is.  It is just that simple.  The entire Bible is for you.  But in fact not much of it is actually about you.  But you both seem to go through the Bible looking for things God said about others and if it suits you, you simply appropriate it to yourself and think it is God's word.  Foolishness indeed.



What does the word say about those who consider truth as foolishness? This applies:

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.



If in fact Paul's writing were in fact as you proclaim, then Paul's writing would not have even been required.  If all the saints in Corinth were inspired receptors of the revelation from the Holy Spirit as you claim, then Paul was simply "preaching to the choir".  But of course Paul wasn't referring to all or any of those in Corinth, nor to you.  But again you can't seem to accept that you are not an apostle and are not inspired as an apostle which was the subject of 1 Cor 2.

Paul's writings are right there in Scripture and they are still snubbed!

We have every authority and every blessing that Jesus had and still does. We do the works of Christ. We are the mind of Christ.

Ephesians 1:3
All praise to God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms because we are united with Christ.


Everything that Jesus died to give us is in our spirits at salvation. We must learn by the Spirit of God how to appropriate them into the physical realm: healing, miracles, overcoming, prosperity.
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Re: Matthew 28:16-20
« Reply #191 on: Sun Aug 28, 2011 - 20:45:54 »
Locking this topic...

It has been covered ad nauseum at this point.

and with all the brinking and flaming going on within it...I am locking it down.


 

     
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