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Quote from: Dr. Truth on April 04, 2012, 03:47:58 AM

The rebirth and the baptism in the Holy Spirit  are real experiences, Not just metaphorical

the experience is real, the description is metaphorical.

Nothing about the baptism into the body of Christ, [The rebirth] or the baptism in the Holy Ghost, Is metaphorical.
The very word,"Baptism", means compleatly submersed into Christ and the Holy Ghost.

Dom you mean we literally are enveloped by Christ's physical body?

I've never seen that.

Not in His body.. In His Spirit..Don't you know the Bible??

So when you said "completely submerged into Christ" you didn't actually mean that?

Born again Christians are compleatly submersed into Christ, And those of us who have been baptised in the Holy Ghost, are compleatly submersed into Him.
God is a Spirit, Jn 4:24. The Spirit of Christ is in us, Rom 8: 9.
We are in Christ. 2 Cor 5: 17.
Our Spirits have been compleatly submersed into Christ,
We are buried with Christ, Rom 6: 4  Col 2: 12.
Buried immersed submersed, Complealty covered by God.

"We are buried with Christ." Do you mean that we physically go into a tomb and are buried?

Do you mean that Christ is buried again and again?

Can't you see that all the things you quote are metaphors?

Now your being silly.
Our Spirits are tottaly immersed in God.

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. "

Where does it say "our Spirits". It says we

You keep making things up that are not in the text.

1)Did you notice what you said from that scripture you quoted??.
BURIED with Christ in baptism, But you don't believe that DO YOU??.
You don't believe tottal immersion.

I have never said that I don't believe in total immersion. You see you keep making things up.

Some Catholic churches do total immersion baptism.

I just don't believe that total immersion is the only way.

Quote from: Dr. Truth on April 06, 2012, 09:24:30 AM

2)No. We didn't physically go into the tomb, Proving the baptism in Rom 6: 4. Isn't a physical baptism But the Spiritual rebirth.

No, it doesn't prove that.

It proves it is a metaphor.

1)Total immersion is the only way, As I have proved.

No you haven't proved it.  In the Baptism thread I have just proved that baptism can be pouring.

Quote from: Dr. Truth on April 06, 2012, 01:13:29 PM

2)How come every time the Bible proves you wrong, It is a metaphor??
You are just like the JWs, Every time the Bible proved them wrong, It is either a myth or symbolic.

You haven't proved me wrong.

Now your telling porkies.

If you are reduced to that then I guess this discussion has run its course.

I just wanted to know what other believers in Christ understood of the Holy Ghost and his work in the church today. The Bible is very clear that debate, backbiting, and being quarrelsome are all works of the flesh. Those who commit these sins shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So I would ask for a civil conversation in this thread at least.

Concerning the literal vs the symbolic. Let us take the Bible at face value here. In Eph we are told that we, as believers in Christ, are apart of his body, to the very point where we are sitting in heavenly places with Christ Jesus. This is a very important doctrine to understand here.

When a sinner looks at you(provided you are a Christian)he must not see anything less than very God in the flesh. No man can see God. So as Christians we show men God. We are seated with Christ on his throne. When men see Christ in us and us in Christ they will be forced to make a choice. To follow after you(in doing so they will follow Christ, as Paul said "Follow me as I follow Christ")or to follow after Satan and his way is to hell.

This is what matters most. And if you miss that in your arguing over pouring or immersion you will miss the whole point of salvation and Holy Ghost baptism altogether.

I just wanted to know what other believers in Christ understood of the Holy Ghost and his work in the church today. The Bible is very clear that debate, backbiting, and being quarrelsome are all works of the flesh. Those who commit these sins shall not inherit the kingdom of God. So I would ask for a civil conversation in this thread at least.

Concerning the literal vs the symbolic. Let us take the Bible at face value here. In Eph we are told that we, as believers in Christ, are apart of his body, to the very point where we are sitting in heavenly places with Christ Jesus. This is a very important doctrine to understand here.

When a sinner looks at you(provided you are a Christian)he must not see anything less than very God in the flesh. No man can see God. So as Christians we show men God. We are seated with Christ on his throne. When men see Christ in us and us in Christ they will be forced to make a choice. To follow after you(in doing so they will follow Christ, as Paul said "Follow me as I follow Christ")or to follow after Satan and his way is to hell.

This is what matters most. And if you miss that in your arguing over pouring or immersion you will miss the whole point of salvation and Holy Ghost baptism altogether.

When the Bible says, "Those who commit sins, Shall not inherit the KIngdom of God", It isn't talking about the Christians.

We, Christians do walk like Jesus walked, Or we should.