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1)Ecclesiastes 9: 5. &v10. Says the dead don't know anything, And don't do any work.
If the dead don't know anything, How can they know when you are praying to them??
How can they know  what to pray for you  and how to pray for you.

2)Stop twisting Phil 1: 24. Paul said to stay it is more needful for you.
If he went to heaven, He couldn't help them.
Preaching the gospel to the Philippian Christians wouldn't be any use to them, They were already saved, So how could Paul preaching the gospel to them, be needful???
Can't you see how you are twisting the scripturs??.

1) Ecclesiastes 9: 5. & v10. Says the dead don't know anything, And don't do any work.
If the dead don't know anything, How can they know when you are praying to them??
How can they know  what to pray for you  and how to pray for you.

Quote from: Dr. Truth on April 07, 2012, 06:46:40 AM

Quote from: winsome on April 07, 2012, 03:37:08 AM

Dr. Truth,

I have been pondering about answering this in detail as I am going away for a week from tomorrow morning.

I will be taking my old laptop with me but I will be restricted as to time and connection. I’m not even 100% sure I will have a connection.

Do you want to wait until I get back to continue this, or make a start now and hope that I can continue during the week?

In the meantime don’t hold back from answering my previous posts. 

I will be waiting for you. Have a good week

Thank you.

If I have the time and internet connection I shall continue before then.

1)Who said they were in Hades??, The Bible just says they were dead.
But wether they were in hades, Paradise or heaven, The principle is the  same.
PLEASE NOTE, It  says the dead know nothing.
It doesn't say they don't know anything until they get to heaven..DOES IT??.

Quote from: Dr. Truth on April 07, 2012, 11:24:31 AM

1)Who said they were in Hades??, The Bible just says they were dead.
But wether they were in hades, Paradise or heaven, The principle is the  same.
PLEASE NOTE, It  says the dead know nothing.
It doesn't say they don't know anything until they get to heaven..DOES IT??.

The situation between Sheol/Hades and heaven is very different.

We have to remember in OT times the gates of heaven were closed to mankind. The Jews believed that those who died went to Sheol (Hades) which is not the same as Hell. Ideas were a bit vague, some thought they slept, some people think it was a place of natural happiness. But when Jesus died he went down to Sheol and released those that were there to join him in heaven.
“He was put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit, in which also he went and made a proclamation to the spirits in prison.

How do you explain the Transfiguration? The prophets Moses and Elijah appear next to him and he speaks with them. If the dead know nothing, why is Jesus speaking to them?

Also, how do you explain Saul going to a medium to summons Samuel? Did not Saul a man of god know the dead know nothing? Was he stupid? How could he have a medium summons a dead person? If you say this was a trick and not really Samuel, you still need to explain why Saul even thought it was possible if the dead know nothing.

Samuel tells Saul what will happen, it was either real or a trick.
If real, then that pretty much dampens the idea the dead know nothing and perhaps you are misinterpreting Eccl  9:5

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward

I do not believe the dead does not have any more rewards. That verse speaks specifically of the living and the dead, if taken the way you describe it as such that would mean once you doe you loose your rewards. I doubt that's what it means. It simply refers to no "MORE" rewards then they already received when living. Their time for earning rewards is perhaps completed. As for knowing nothing, what proceeded was for the living know that they will die, that's really all we know when alive. We may not know what is going on here with the living unless petitioned or granted by the Will of God. Either way it is unreasonable to draw such a bold conclusion from one verse in light of the many other verses that suggest otherwise.

I would caution you to reserve final judgment on this as we do not have all the details.

And Happy Easter to all!

If it was a trick we still need to understand how a great man of God was not aware the dead know nothing.

Quote from: Dr. Truth on April 08, 2012, 12:49:11 PM

Quote from: 3rd Heaven on April 08, 2012, 02:11:26 AM

How do you explain the Transfiguration? The prophets Moses and Elijah appear next to him and he speaks with them. If the dead know nothing, why is Jesus speaking to them?

Also, how do you explain Saul going to a medium to summons Samuel? Did not Saul a man of god know the dead know nothing? Was he stupid? How could he have a medium summons a dead person? If you say this was a trick and not really Samuel, you still need to explain why Saul even thought it was possible if the dead know nothing.

Samuel tells Saul what will happen, it was either real or a trick.
If real, then that pretty much dampens the idea the dead know nothing and perhaps you are misinterpreting Eccl  9:5

For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward

I do not believe the dead does not have any more rewards. That verse speaks specifically of the living and the dead, if taken the way you describe it as such that would mean once you doe you loose your rewards. I doubt that's what it means. It simply refers to no "MORE" rewards then they already received when living. Their time for earning rewards is perhaps completed. As for knowing nothing, what proceeded was for the living know that they will die, that's really all we know when alive. We may not know what is going on here with the living unless petitioned or granted by the Will of God. Either way it is unreasonable to draw such a bold conclusion from one verse in light of the many other verses that suggest otherwise.

I would caution you to reserve final judgment on this as we do not have all the details.

And Happy Easter to all!

If it was a trick we still need to understand how a great man of God was not aware the dead know nothing.

The dead know what is going on around them, But they don't know waht is hapening on the earth.

Those who are in the Bosom of God know whats going on earth.

Revelation 6:9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?