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« on: Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:26:55 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.

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« Reply #1 on: Thu Jul 19, 2012 - 20:34:07 »
Do you really know what you are saying? Come on---spell it out.

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« Reply #2 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:07:24 »

The common Christian position which is that one is condemned to eternally be in hell or heaven once one enters those domains. And being sent to live in heaven or hell after this earthly body is done with is also involves reincarnation into another form suitable  for experiencing a heavenly or hellish life. Reincarnation does not mean just coming back to this earth but receiving our rewards.


 

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« Reply #3 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:21:20 »
Someone needs to research the definition of reincarnation.

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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #4 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:26:24 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.
 

You're not serious?

'And just as it is appointed for(all) men once to die, and after that the certain judgement'
Heb 9 v27..
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« Reply #5 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:27:14 »
It is a commonly held although incorrect belief among Christians that reincarnation is contrary to their faith. In fact, there has never, ever been a papal edict issued against the teaching of reincarnation. Further, the early fathers of the church (see: Origen) who steadfastly taught reincarnation were hunted and destroyed by corrupt thinkers wanting people to believe that they only had one chance at life to "get it right."It wasn't a Church official or any Church procedure that ultimately stripped Christian teaching and understanding of reincarnation from the faithful. It was a politician, the emperor Justinian, who'd imprisoned the pope (Vigilius) because the latter had refused to outlaw the teaching.With the pope imprisoned, reincarnation was forever banished from Christianity in an illegal anathema proclaimed  at the Fifth Ecumenical Council where Justinian had railroaded the voting by allowing only his own bishops, and not the pope's bishops, to attend.IMHO, political corruption, not divine inspiration, forever changed the face of the Church's teachings. For my money there is an ironic freedom in knowing that the Church has, in fact, never approved the suppressionof teaching reincarnation.

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Re: Reincarnation
« Reply #6 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:35:49 »
Go read it.  Are you your children?

Exodus 34:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

And don't forget HOW to read the Bible..... That was not spoken to us... nor in the age of the New Testament.
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« Reply #7 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:54:06 »
Go read it.  Are you your children?

Exodus 34:7

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7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

And don't forget HOW to read the Bible..... That was not spoken to us... nor in the age of the New Testament.

The whole Bible is for us. The New Testament did not nullify the Old, they are blended together.

Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

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« Reply #8 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:57:45 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.

what a horrid thing to say!!!!   ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::

SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie! 

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« Reply #9 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 16:59:23 »
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

Exodus 20:5 try reading it.


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« Reply #10 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:01:10 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.

what a horrid thing to say!!!!   ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::

SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!

GOD DOESN'T LIE...

Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!

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« Reply #11 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:02:59 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.

what a horrid thing to say!!!!   ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::

SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!

GOD DOESN'T LIE...

Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!

No, you are right, HE doesn't...however... the same cannot be said for you, THANKFULLY! 

God does not reincarnate us according to our sins.   ::frown:: If He did...you might start watching how you represent Him...the next life would be hard with no tongue or way to communicate! ::shrug::
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« Reply #12 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:05:45 »
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

Exodus 20:5 try reading it.

That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!

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« Reply #13 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:07:05 »
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

Exodus 20:5 try reading it.

That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!

Nope.  You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.

This you are trying to peddle is just bunk.  Sickening!

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« Reply #14 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:09:13 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.

what a horrid thing to say!!!!   ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::

SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!

GOD DOESN'T LIE...

Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!

No, you are right, HE doesn't...however... the same cannot be said for you, THANKFULLY! 

God does not reincarnate us according to our sins.   ::frown:: If He did...you might start watching how you represent Him...the next life would be hard with no tongue or way to communicate! ::shrug::

Do you think a good or bad health and family life is luck of the draw?

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« Reply #15 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:14:58 »
Exodus 34:7 says we will pay for our sins for 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

There is no coincidense that some are born without arms and legs and others to beautiful lives.

what a horrid thing to say!!!!   ::destroyingcomputer:: ::frustrated::

SOOOO thankful its nothing but an ugly ignorant lie!

GOD DOESN'T LIE...

Read Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28...We can pick the sin, but we can't pick the consequence!

No, you are right, HE doesn't...however... the same cannot be said for you, THANKFULLY! 

God does not reincarnate us according to our sins.   ::frown:: If He did...you might start watching how you represent Him...the next life would be hard with no tongue or way to communicate! ::shrug::

Do you think a good or bad health and family life is luck of the draw?

I think you don't have a clue.

I also think you are LUCKY God has seen fit to allow you your good health.

I also think you need to read the word and pray for understanding.


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« Reply #16 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:21:24 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.

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« Reply #17 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:22:40 »
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

Exodus 20:5 try reading it.

That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!

Nope.  You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.

This you are trying to peddle is just bunk.  Sickening!

Are you saying there is no punishment for sin?

Jesus told those He healed to go and sin no more or the punishment would be worse next time.

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« Reply #18 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:23:56 »
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

Exodus 20:5 try reading it.

That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!

Nope.  You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.

This you are trying to peddle is just bunk.  Sickening!

Are you saying there is no punishment for sin?

Jesus told those He healed to go and sin no more or the punishment would be worse next time.

Where is the verse that includes this OR ELSE? 

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« Reply #19 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:26:47 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.

Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

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« Reply #20 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:27:36 »
Deuteronomy 24:16
 “Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.

Ezekiel 18:20
he person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent’s sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child’s sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.

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« Reply #21 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:30:04 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.


Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

Get the verses right:

Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
    because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
    or causing them sorrow.


What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?

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« Reply #22 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:33:30 »
Children do not suffer for the sins of their parents Ezekiel 18:1-32 We are the children who suffer for our own sins.

Exodus 20:5 try reading it.

That same verse is repeated 4 times in the Bible. God wants you to understand how important it is to Him. You are the child who suffers for your sin!

Nope.  You are wrong. Jesus suffered, and did it so our sin is washed away and remembered no more.

This you are trying to peddle is just bunk.  Sickening!

Are you saying there is no punishment for sin?

Jesus told those He healed to go and sin no more or the punishment would be worse next time.

Where is the verse that includes this OR ELSE?

John 5:14; John 8:11

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« Reply #23 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:36:56 »
You know what?

my apologies for even entering into the discussion.

It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.

Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue

however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:37:41 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.


Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

Get the verses right:

Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
    because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
    or causing them sorrow.


What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?

The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.

Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?

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« Reply #25 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:40:13 »
Uh.... Guys... Let's slow down.  New Testament?

We have to read the verses for what they were, and to whom they were written.  None of that was written to today's Christians... which I think many of you are.

The entire Bible was certainly written FOR us, but in no way all of it TO us.  If it were, we'd all be dead right now.

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« Reply #26 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:42:56 »
You know what?

my apologies for even entering into the discussion.

It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.

Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue

however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!

Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...

God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.

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« Reply #27 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:45:38 »
Uh.... Guys... Let's slow down.  New Testament?

We have to read the verses for what they were, and to whom they were written.  None of that was written to today's Christians... which I think many of you are.

The entire Bible was certainly written FOR us, but in no way all of it TO us.  If it were, we'd all be dead right now.

The whole  Bible was written for us!
The only reason we do die is because of sin.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 17:48:09 »
You know what?

my apologies for even entering into the discussion.

It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.

Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue

however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!

Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...

God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.

Last post:

I have studied...thanks
The priests not being allowed to serve is NOT an argument for reincarnation and does not support your false and ugly accusation of the reason some are born with difficulties.  ::frown::  ::cryingtears::

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« Reply #29 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 18:26:48 »
You know what?

my apologies for even entering into the discussion.

It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.

Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue

however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!

Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...

God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.

Last post:

I have studied...thanks
The priests not being allowed to serve is NOT an argument for reincarnation and does not support your false and ugly accusation of the reason some are born with difficulties.  ::frown::  ::cryingtears::

From the Bible, why do you think it happens?

Exodus 34:7 Is the only answer.

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« Reply #30 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:11:54 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.


Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

Get the verses right:

Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
    because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
    or causing them sorrow.


What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?

The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.

Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?

No one has said that we are punished for living in a  fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.

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« Reply #31 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:35:44 »
You know what?

my apologies for even entering into the discussion.

It hits way to close to home on two fronts for me and I did not handle it well.

Please forgive my harsh tone..and my inability to continue

however, I still VERY STRONGLY disagree!

Only disagree if you have Bible proof. Study, study, study...

God would not allow the Priests to serve Him if they had any health defect.

Last post:

I have studied...thanks
The priests not being allowed to serve is NOT an argument for reincarnation and does not support your false and ugly accusation of the reason some are born with difficulties.  ::frown::  ::cryingtears::

From the Bible, why do you think it happens?

Exodus 34:7 Is the only answer.

Deuteronomy 24:16
 “Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent’s sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child’s sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.

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« Reply #32 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:46:33 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.


Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

Get the verses right:

Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
    because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
    or causing them sorrow.


What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?

The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.

Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?

No one has said that we are punished for living in a  fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.

So are you saying the reason why are some born without arms and legs and others have beautiful lives is because the bad rejected Jesus and the good were born again?

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« Reply #33 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 20:54:59 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.


Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

Get the verses right:

Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
    because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
    or causing them sorrow.


What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?

The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.

Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?

No one has said that we are punished for living in a  fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.

So are you saying the reason why are some born without arms and legs and others have beautiful lives is because the bad rejected Jesus and the good were born again?

NO! Where do you get that idea? I think you are actually saying that, aren't you?

God is not responsible for people born with defects. Sin is. Not their personal sin---just sin in general. It is the fallen world we live in. Satan screwed the entire planet up. He mourns over the tragedies we see, also.

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« Reply #34 on: Mon Jul 23, 2012 - 21:04:55 »
God says He no longer visits the sins of the fathers to the children! That is most especially true in this Age of Mercy!

If a person is born with ill health, that is not God's doing. It is the result of living in a fallen world.


Lamintations 3:32-33 All evil comes only from God as a punishment for sin.

Get the verses right:

Lamentations 3:32-33
Though he brings grief, he also shows compassion
    because of the greatness of his unfailing love.
For he does not enjoy hurting people
    or causing them sorrow.


What does 'fallen' mean to you? Is God responsible for fallenness?

The whole Book Of Lamintations is about punishment for sin, even where they eat their own children, which God warned them would happen in Leviticus 26.

Where in the Bible do you find we are punished for living in a fallen world?

No one has said that we are punished for living in a  fallen world, but we are punished for rejecting Jesus Christ out of our fallen nature.

So are you saying the reason why are some born without arms and legs and others have beautiful lives is because the bad rejected Jesus and the good were born again?

NO! Where do you get that idea? I think you are actually saying that, aren't you?

God is not responsible for people born with defects. Sin is. Not their personal sin---just sin in general. It is the fallen world we live in. Satan screwed the entire planet up. He mourns over the tragedies we see, also.

Satan was made by God and has no power, except that God gives Him.

Deuteronomy 28 and Leviticus 26 says all sickness comes form Gog as a punishment for sin.

 

     
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