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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #35 on: Wed Oct 30, 2013 - 10:25:45 »
sorry Dave...lets leave it there, we are obviously too far apart.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #36 on: Wed Oct 30, 2013 - 10:59:25 »
Yeah, I think another thread about the Sabbath would be good.

I hope not, there have been loads of them. ::eek:: ::eek:: ::eek::

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #37 on: Wed Oct 30, 2013 - 11:00:21 »
Yeah, I think another thread about the Sabbath would be good.

I hope not, there have been loads of them. ::eek:: ::eek:: ::eek::

lol!  I got the feeling that they were being sarcastic.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #38 on: Wed Oct 30, 2013 - 11:58:52 »
Yeah, I think another thread about the Sabbath would be good.

I hope not, there have been loads of them. ::eek:: ::eek:: ::eek::

lol!  I got the feeling that they were being sarcastic.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #39 on: Thu Oct 31, 2013 - 16:43:38 »

The Sabbath was never given to or required of Gentiles.



Still waiting on a reply concerning God's laws to ONLY the 12 tribes.

Based on the following scriptures.....God's laws were NOT ONLY for the 12 tribes as you claim;

Exod.12  [49] One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num.15  [16] One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
[29] Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.


Nor were God's laws ONLY to be kept while the nation of Israel dwelled in their land;

Isa.56
[1] Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
[5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
[7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.


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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #40 on: Thu Jan 09, 2014 - 11:07:44 »
Still waiting on a reply concerning God's laws to ONLY the 12 tribes.

Based on the following scriptures.....God's laws were NOT ONLY for the 12 tribes as you claim;

Exod.12  [49] One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

Num.15  [16] One law and one manner shall be for you, and for the stranger that sojourneth with you.
[29] Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.

Please note the phrase "...sojourneth among you."  That means living in the Land or among the Jewish people. 


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Nor were God's laws ONLY to be kept while the nation of Israel dwelled in their land;

Isa.56
[1] Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
[2] Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
[3] Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
[4] For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
[5] Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
[6] Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
[7] Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

That passage does not speak to your statement. By "bringing them to my holy mountain," God is saying He will relocate these people to Jerusalem (Temple Mount). THat is definatly IN THE LAND.

BTW - all the land based commands can ONLY be obeyed with Israel dwelling in Judea.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #41 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 11:01:18 »
Seriously people, you need to read the book GOD'S WILL FOR OUR DAILY LIVES, THE TEACHING OF JESUS CHRIST, available from Amazon books. It will leave you with no doubt at all that we are not to keep the Old Testament laws or feasts. We are to obey Christ's commands to love, and love fulfils the righteousness of the law. Here is an analogy: the law says don't sit, and Christ says stand. By standing you fulfil the law, without directly obeying it. Really, buy the book 

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #42 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 11:08:21 »
Dude - are you just on here to promote your book?  Half of your posts say to go get it.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #43 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 12:03:17 »
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« Reply #44 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 12:19:14 »
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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #45 on: Thu Aug 21, 2014 - 18:09:15 »
no not to promote it. I would like to discuss it.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #46 on: Sat Jan 10, 2015 - 00:19:29 »
The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week not the first, Sunday. It is the fourth commandment, and Jesus said if you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #47 on: Sat Jan 10, 2015 - 03:04:46 »
The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week not the first, Sunday. It is the fourth commandment, and Jesus said if you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

Romans 14 v 5
5 Some people think that a certain day is more important than other days, while others think that all days are the same. We each should firmly make up our own minds.

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17)

Jesus is now our sabbath rest, and we can rest in Him 24/7.
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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #48 on: Mon Jan 19, 2015 - 05:51:36 »
<<<Romans 14 v 5
5 Some people think that a certain day is more important than other days, while others think that all days are the same. We each should firmly make up our own minds.
>>>

This is a self-portrait in LIES. The true text is unrecognisable.

<<<Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17)>>>

And this is a grotesque caricature of <<<Jesus our sabbath rest>>>.
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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #49 on: Mon Jan 19, 2015 - 05:58:41 »
Colossians 2:16-19

12 While dead in your sins God who raised Christ from the dead forgave you all trespasses having quickened you together with Him. Nailing it to the cross and removing it altogether, Christ blotted out the damning law against us; and putting off and ruining the rulers and the authorities [of darkness 1:13], He publicly held them up to shame, triumphing over them in it. [If ye then be raised with Christ 3:1], THEN THEREFORE, don’t you let yourselves be judged and condemned by anyone (of the world 2:8, 20) in your eating and drinking or with regard to your eating and drinking of feast, whether of month’s or of Sabbaths’—all which shadows forth what soon must be, the BODY and SUBSTANCE OF CHRIST!
Let no man not holding to the Head [but] puffed up by his fleshly mind, who conceitedly meddles in what he knows nothing about (the mystery which is Christ 1:28), with his pretentious humility and angelic worship beguile you (with enticing words 2:4) of your reward.
Because holding to the Head nourishment being ministered, all the Body (of Christ’s Own 1:18) by joints and bands [of faith 2:12 Hosea 11:4; peace Ephesians 4:3; and charity Colossians 3:14], and knit together (in love 2:2), will grow with the growth of God.

"Don't you let yourselves be judged by anyone in regard to your eating and drinking of Christ the Substance of Sabbaths' Feast either Lord's Supper of month's or Sabbaths' Feast, which are but the shadow of what imminently must come for you holding to the Head, the Body growing with the growth of God Christ being the Nourishment ministered."

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #50 on: Mon Jan 19, 2015 - 06:33:11 »
<<<Romans 14 v 5
5 Some people think that a certain day is more important than other days, while others think that all days are the same. We each should firmly make up our own minds.
>>>

This is a self-portrait in LIES. The true text is unrecognisable.

<<<Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17)>>>

And this is a grotesque caricature of <<<Jesus our sabbath rest>>>.

So you dont like what the Bible says then?  OK.   ::shrug::

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #51 on: Mon Jan 19, 2015 - 06:41:19 »
No; I very much like what the Bible really says; so much I gave you the Bible with what it really offers you too. But you, can't seem to care less.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #52 on: Mon Jan 19, 2015 - 11:00:57 »
No; I very much like what the Bible really says; so much I gave you the Bible with what it really offers you too. But you, can't seem to care less.


Unless we are messianic Jews we do not have to celebrate any of the OT feasts. That is past and we are now in the new covenant.   

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #53 on: Tue Jan 20, 2015 - 02:11:04 »
<<<Unless we are messianic Jews we do not have to celebrate any of the OT feasts. That is past and we are now in the new covenant.>>>


'Messianic Jews' is nothing but a self-given, self-claimed, self-assumed yet EMPTY and meaningless 'name' for or of some modern HOAX of a 'movement' which in actual fact is nothing than another SDA-splintered-off CULT.

‘Messianic Jew’ means one under the Law like not even the real Jews are.

What a FAKE! It is tragic how good Christians FALL away after the tricksters.

Let it be stated that NO true Christian <<celebrates>>—what a farce!—<<any OT feasts>>. That is past, <past> and beyond abominable hypocrisy and self-righteousness. What next on the name of poor Christianity?

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #54 on: Tue Jan 20, 2015 - 03:17:02 »
<<<Unless we are messianic Jews we do not have to celebrate any of the OT feasts. That is past and we are now in the new covenant.>>>


'Messianic Jews' is nothing but a self-given, self-claimed, self-assumed yet EMPTY and meaningless 'name' for or of some modern HOAX of a 'movement' which in actual fact is nothing than another SDA-splintered-off CULT.

‘Messianic Jew’ means one under the Law like not even the real Jews are.

What a FAKE! It is tragic how good Christians FALL away after the tricksters.

Let it be stated that NO true Christian <<celebrates>>—what a farce!—<<any OT feasts>>. That is past, <past> and beyond abominable hypocrisy and self-righteousness. What next on the name of poor Christianity?



Romans 14 v 5
5 SOME people think that a certain day is more important than other days, while others think that ALL days are the same. We each should firmly make up our OWN minds.
Therefore do not let ANYONE judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ” (Colossians 2:16-17)

 AS Paul says no one should judge anyone else on this matter.  Dont know about you, but I am a Christian not an OT Jew.  ::shrug::

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #55 on: Wed Jan 28, 2015 - 12:58:44 »
I don't judge you; you judged yourself; you defended yourself; you gave verdict yourself; you declared yourself just.

I'm not relevant.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #56 on: Wed Jan 28, 2015 - 13:17:01 »
I don't judge you; you judged yourself; you defended yourself; you gave verdict yourself; you declared yourself just.

I'm not relevant.



 If Paul says something then I take that as right.  ::shrug::

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #57 on: Wed Feb 11, 2015 - 14:25:15 »

Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?

No; but we should USE them to attain SCRIPTURAL PERSPECTIVE on the One Law of the Everlasting Gospel, which is Jesus Christ “given to the Church as the Head”.

Anyone hoping <<Old Testament Laws and Feasts>> disappeared in Christ, must be disappointed, for "Sabbaths' Feast eating and drinking of Christ the Substance and Nourishment ministered, the Body of Christ’s Own through joints and bands knit together and holding to the Head, is growing with the growth of God."


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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #58 on: Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 04:10:32 »
I don't judge you; you judged yourself; you defended yourself; you gave verdict yourself; you declared yourself just.

I'm not relevant.



 If Paul says something then I take that as right.  ::shrug::

Paul is no different from Moses....he is/was a MAN and is not above GOD !!!
When Paul spoke of Rom.14 he was simply STATING what SOME people did....he was NOT giving new rules and regulations above those already established by GOD. Paul himself was not SWAPPING days because he said : be followers of me even as I FOLLOW CHRIST 1Cor.11v1.- so why don't you take that 'as right ? Jesus kept the sabbath all His life.not because He was a Jew but because : He kept His Fathers Commandments ! He was OBEDIENT and an example to us ! Heb.5v8,9. (btw, there is neither Jew nor Gentile IN CHRIST)
And as for Col.2v16,17, Paul said this to the CONVERTED GENTILES who had started to keep the Sabbath and were being harassed. WHY on earth would Paul encourage the UNconverted who kept sunday? You might like to give this some thought !
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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #59 on: Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 04:24:05 »
No; I very much like what the Bible really says; so much I gave you the Bible with what it really offers you too. But you, can't seem to care less.


Unless we are messianic Jews we do not have to celebrate any of the OT feasts. That is past and we are now in the new covenant.

Do you know that the 'new Covenant contains LAW ? Which Laws will God write on YOUR heart seeing you are not into law-keeping ?

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #60 on: Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 11:53:26 »
Are you speaking to me?

Then why do you fight with me?

Don't you see what I say and believe?

I don't think you do.


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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #61 on: Thu Feb 12, 2015 - 13:38:20 »
No Gerhard, I am not fighting with you....
my reply was to 'chosenone.

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Re: Should we keep Old Testament Laws and Feasts?
« Reply #62 on: Wed Mar 25, 2015 - 18:15:45 »
The following is exactly what I believe myself ...

Quoting Beta: <<<When Paul spoke of Rom.14 he was simply STATING what SOME people did....he was NOT giving new rules and regulations above those already established by GOD. Paul himself was not SWAPPING days because he said : be followers of me even as I FOLLOW CHRIST 1Cor.11v1.- so why don't you take that 'as right ? Jesus kept the sabbath all His life.not because He was a Jew but because : He kept His Fathers Commandments ! He was OBEDIENT and an example to us ! Heb.5v8,9. (btw, there is neither Jew nor Gentile IN CHRIST)
And as for Col.2v16,17, Paul said this to the CONVERTED GENTILES who had started to keep the Sabbath and were being harassed. WHY on earth would Paul encourage the UNconverted who kept sunday? You might like to give this some thought !>>>

Thanks! You have said it very well.

 

     
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