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of THE TREE in the midst of the garden we are forbidden to eat. So she recognized there was only one tree in the MIDST or center.

 On a menorah Christ stands as the LIGHT in the MIDST/MIDDLE or fourth stem on a 7 stem menorah for the Word is the center of the all things, for all things were created by the Word and for the Word whom Father uses to create. For His Word is His right hand. He came at the 4,000 yr mark represented by the 4th stem with two thousand work days left on this earth, and one day of rest for the last thousand years making the 7th stem. He is the tree of life, being the Word of life, the Seed of God that we must eat so that the Word seeds into our hearts to produce offspring for God.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
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 So God put the TREE OF LIFE in the MIDST of the garden so Eve was was mistaken on which tree to eat from. But Satan did not lie to her when he said the tree of life in the midst will make you like gods, he told her the truth. I stand corrected here, he did deceive her by adding to "would be as gods" THIS "knowing good and evil" if she ate from the tree of Life in the Midst of the the garden but also because he did not correct her when he seen that she was in confusion about which tree not to eat of, for he knew which one was the forbidden tree and he allowed her to eat from him for he is the tree that was in Eden that iniquity was found in because he betrayed God and allowed her to be decieved.
 So she ate from the forbidden tree out of error for she knew no better, she had received her knowledge second hand from Adam and not directly from God.


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.KJV

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.KJV

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV
The tree of life does not teach us to steal kill and destroy like the tree of learning how to look good outwardly while really being evil inwardly in our motives and thoughts.
The Word teaches us how to have the attributes of God of integrity, godly character to not only appear to be good outwardly, but to be a good tree inwardly so when eaten of the seeds planted in others will only produce more good fruit.


Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.KJV
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I am sorry MeMyself, my post probably was confusing, I didn't really make my self clear.Thanks for pointing that out.

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of THE TREE in the midst of the garden we are forbidden to eat. So she recognized there was only one tree in the MIDST or center.

 On a menorah Christ stands as the LIGHT in the MIDST/MIDDLE or fourth stem on a 7 stem menorah for the Word is the center of the all things, for all things were created by the Word and for the Word whom Father uses to create. For His Word is His right hand. He came at the 4,000 yr mark represented by the 4th stem with two thousand work days left on this earth, and one day of rest for the last thousand years making the 7th stem. He is the tree of life, being the Word of life, the Seed of God that we must eat so that the Word seeds into our hearts to produce offspring for God.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
 So God put the TREE OF LIFE in the MIDST of the garden so Eve was was mistaken on which tree to eat from. But Satan did not lie to her when he said the tree of life in the midst will make you like gods, he told her the truth. But what he didn't do, is CORRECT HER, for he knew which one was the forbidden tree and he allowed her to eat from him for he is the tree that was in Eden that iniquity was found in because he betrayed God and allowed her to be decieved.
 So she ate from the forbidden tree out of error for she knew no better, she had received her knowledge second hand from Adam and not directly from God.


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.KJV

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.KJV

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV
The tree of life does not teach us to steal kill and destroy like the tree of learning how to look good outwardly while really being evil inwardly in our motives and thoughts.
The Word teaches us how to have the attributes of God of integrity, godly character to not only appear to be good outwardly, but to be a good tree inwardly so when eaten of the seeds planted in others will only produce more good fruit.


Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.KJV


"The tree of life also in the midst of the garden" — Adam's spiritual requirements were also provided for in the tree of life. From Rev. 2:7 it appears that the tree of life was a symbol of immortality, and this is supported by a description of its lifegiving qualities as described by the Elohim (Gen. 3:22). The tree of life is likened to the Divine Wisdom (Prov. 3:18), the fruit of the righteous (Prov. 11:30), a wholesome tongue (Prov. 15:4), and so forth. They all, being related to the Truth, lead to life eternal (1 Pet. 1:23-25).

The Tree of Life occupied a place in the "midst of the garden" with the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" (cp. Gen.3:3). Here were symbolically provided the two choices for mankind:

obedience or sin; life or death.

You still have the same choice today!

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of THE TREE in the midst of the garden we are forbidden to eat. So she recognized there was only one tree in the MIDST or center.

 On a menorah Christ stands as the LIGHT in the MIDST/MIDDLE or fourth stem on a 7 stem menorah for the Word is the center of the all things, for all things were created by the Word and for the Word whom Father uses to create. For His Word is His right hand. He came at the 4,000 yr mark represented by the 4th stem with two thousand work days left on this earth, and one day of rest for the last thousand years making the 7th stem. He is the tree of life, being the Word of life, the Seed of God that we must eat so that the Word seeds into our hearts to produce offspring for God.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
 So God put the TREE OF LIFE in the MIDST of the garden so Eve was was mistaken on which tree to eat from. But Satan did not lie to her when he said the tree of life in the midst will make you like gods, he told her the truth. But what he didn't do, is CORRECT HER, for he knew which one was the forbidden tree and he allowed her to eat from him for he is the tree that was in Eden that iniquity was found in because he betrayed God and allowed her to be decieved.
 So she ate from the forbidden tree out of error for she knew no better, she had received her knowledge second hand from Adam and not directly from God.


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.KJV

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.KJV

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV
The tree of life does not teach us to steal kill and destroy like the tree of learning how to look good outwardly while really being evil inwardly in our motives and thoughts.
The Word teaches us how to have the attributes of God of integrity, godly character to not only appear to be good outwardly, but to be a good tree inwardly so when eaten of the seeds planted in others will only produce more good fruit.


Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.KJV


"The tree of life also in the midst of the garden" — Adam's spiritual requirements were also provided for in the tree of life. From Rev. 2:7 it appears that the tree of life was a symbol of immortality, and this is supported by a description of its lifegiving qualities as described by the Elohim (Gen. 3:22). The tree of life is likened to the Divine Wisdom (Prov. 3:18), the fruit of the righteous (Prov. 11:30), a wholesome tongue (Prov. 15:4), and so forth. They all, being related to the Truth, lead to life eternal (1 Pet. 1:23-25).

The Tree of Life occupied a place in the "midst of the garden" with the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" (cp. Gen.3:3). Here were symbolically provided the two choices for mankind:

obedience or sin; life or death.

You still have the same choice today!

Read it again:Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
The tree of life which is God's choice for us and plainly center it for them was the ONLY TREE in the MIDST OF THE GARDEN. There is a comma after garden, it says GARDEN, AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, it means along with ther other trees in the garden, not also in the midst For if both trees where in the MIDST, she would not have said ONLY THE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF.
God gave Adam just ONE CONDITION and that was NOT to eat of the forbidden tree to give him something to obedient about to honor God.
 But what happened is that Adam didn't relay this to Eve correctly shown by she didn't understand that it WAS THE TREE IN THE MIDST that she WAS to eat of. And the fact that Eve brought the forbidden fruit to Adam and he didn't even recognize it as the forbidden fruit shows that he had lost sight of GOD'S WORD and just allowed his wife to guide him into corruption was Adam's sin. He was defiled by woman just as Soloman was.

Your point of God giving us choices is TRUE, but He will always guide us OPENLY to what is His will for us and give us warning of what will happen IF YOU choose NOT TO obey Him.
Thank you for your response you did bring out a good point.

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of THE TREE in the midst of the garden we are forbidden to eat. So she recognized there was only one tree in the MIDST or center.

 On a menorah Christ stands as the LIGHT in the MIDST/MIDDLE or fourth stem on a 7 stem menorah for the Word is the center of the all things, for all things were created by the Word and for the Word whom Father uses to create. For His Word is His right hand. He came at the 4,000 yr mark represented by the 4th stem with two thousand work days left on this earth, and one day of rest for the last thousand years making the 7th stem. He is the tree of life, being the Word of life, the Seed of God that we must eat so that the Word seeds into our hearts to produce offspring for God.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
 So God put the TREE OF LIFE in the MIDST of the garden so Eve was was mistaken on which tree to eat from. But Satan did not lie to her when he said the tree of life in the midst will make you like gods, he told her the truth. But what he didn't do, is CORRECT HER, for he knew which one was the forbidden tree and he allowed her to eat from him for he is the tree that was in Eden that iniquity was found in because he betrayed God and allowed her to be decieved.
 So she ate from the forbidden tree out of error for she knew no better, she had received her knowledge second hand from Adam and not directly from God.


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.KJV

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.KJV

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV
The tree of life does not teach us to steal kill and destroy like the tree of learning how to look good outwardly while really being evil inwardly in our motives and thoughts.
The Word teaches us how to have the attributes of God of integrity, godly character to not only appear to be good outwardly, but to be a good tree inwardly so when eaten of the seeds planted in others will only produce more good fruit.


Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.KJV


"The tree of life also in the midst of the garden" — Adam's spiritual requirements were also provided for in the tree of life. From Rev. 2:7 it appears that the tree of life was a symbol of immortality, and this is supported by a description of its lifegiving qualities as described by the Elohim (Gen. 3:22). The tree of life is likened to the Divine Wisdom (Prov. 3:18), the fruit of the righteous (Prov. 11:30), a wholesome tongue (Prov. 15:4), and so forth. They all, being related to the Truth, lead to life eternal (1 Pet. 1:23-25).

The Tree of Life occupied a place in the "midst of the garden" with the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" (cp. Gen.3:3). Here were symbolically provided the two choices for mankind:

obedience or sin; life or death.

You still have the same choice today!

Read it again:Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
The tree of life which is God's choice for us and plainly center it for them was the ONLY TREE in the MIDST OF THE GARDEN. There is a comma after garden, it says GARDEN, AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, it means along with ther other trees in the garden, not also in the midst For if both trees where in the MIDST, she would not have said ONLY THE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF.


But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3)

"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden" So the record is clear there were two trees strategically placed in the midst of the garden (Also see Ch. 2:9),

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and (or in similiar location) the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9)

We know the prohibition rested only on one of them. The commor is not significant when you align these passaages together.  

The reason for them being placed so carefully is to provide a clear test to the pair.  Eve's focus in Gen 3:3 is now only on the forbidden and not the tree of life.  

The record is again clear that Eve understood the location of both trees and Adam had instructed her in this regard though poorly.

You see Eve ought to have sought her husbands council rather than "going" alone as she did.  How many wives today act independently of their husbands (and vice versa)?

A question for you to consider maybe why did God so strategically place the trees in this way?

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There were NOT 2 literal trees in themidst of the garden.....

only 1 literal tree ! the tree of the knowledge of good and evil Gen.3v3;


The other tree in the midst of the garden was NOT literal but spiritual the tree of Life.

At their creation Adam and Eve were NOT in a ' physical frame of mind' (their eyes were only opened later) but they had a 'spiritual quality that allowed them to see BOTH trees in the midst of the garden even though only one tree was literal and the other not literal.
The literal tree bore visible 'fruit for the nourishment of the body'...but
the spiritual tree bore the 'fruit for the mind which is obedience' to God.







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How about neither of you two being correct AND neither being wrong. 

That section of Genesis is some of the most elaborate Hebrew Poetry ever.

It does entail some great allusion and metaphor. The real question should be not whether it contains literal truth but whether we ourselves are tempted to take what we shouldn't in order to be more like Jesus/God.

Just an apple of truth in a confusing world.

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Scripture says there were 2 trees in the MIDST of the garden ..regardless of Hebrew poetry , metaphors etc.

2 Trees but only one could be seen physically....
the other could not be seen with human eyes.
Adam and Eve could see both because they were not at that time wholly physical themselves....not having yet sinned.
And anyone today with the Spirit of God can see 2 trees in the midst of the garden...without God's spirit man has a problem with the 'representation of the tree of Life. It is not clear to them , being of a disobedient nature and fearful of taking the next step of faith and courage !  ::frown::

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Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground—trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit. In the middle of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22-24
Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #10 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 13:59:25 »
Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground—trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit. In the middle of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22-24
Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #11 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 15:13:40 »
Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground—trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit. In the middle of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22-24
Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #12 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 15:49:36 »
I don't know why people assume the tree of life is Jesus. As if man could take life from Jesus.


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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #13 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 16:18:21 »
Genesis 2:9
The Lord God made all sorts of trees grow up from the ground—trees that were beautiful and that produced delicious fruit. In the middle of the garden he placed the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22-24
Then the Lord God said, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #14 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 16:28:22 »
I don't know why people assume the tree of life is Jesus. As if man could take life from Jesus.



Are we not spiritually nourished by HIS flesh and blood ?
Is HE not symbolically our meat and drink ? 

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #15 on: Sun Jun 24, 2012 - 16:47:23 »
I don't know why people assume the tree of life is Jesus. As if man could take life from Jesus.



Whose life do you think is flowing through us who know Him?

Romans 8:10
And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God.
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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #16 on: Mon Jun 25, 2012 - 16:03:17 »
Adam and Eve tried to eat of the tree, does God just stand there like a lemon?

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #17 on: Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 02:45:44 »
Adam and Eve tried to eat of the tree, does God just stand there like a lemon?


Are you saying they ' tried ' to eat of the tree of LIFE ?
Have you a scripture for this ?

God removed them BEFORE they had a chance to do so !...IN CASE they would....not that they were 'trying to do so Gen.3v22.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #18 on: Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 17:50:37 »
I don't know why people assume the tree of life is Jesus. As if man could take life from Jesus.
Probably all those verses like "I AM the true vine" or about "being grafted into the vine."

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #19 on: Sat Jun 30, 2012 - 17:49:12 »
Adam and Eve tried to eat of the tree, does God just stand there like a lemon?


Are you saying they ' tried ' to eat of the tree of LIFE ?
Have you a scripture for this ?

God removed them BEFORE they had a chance to do so !...IN CASE they would....not that they were 'trying to do so Gen.3v22.

God walked in the garden and did the speaking, so how could he be the tree at teh same time?

Another thing is that God prevents them from eating the tree of life, lest they live forever,

So God denies them Christ?

Yet later on men began to call upon the name of  the lord and Enoch pleased God.




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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #20 on: Sun Jul 01, 2012 - 16:18:06 »
But Satan did not lie to her when he said the tree of life in the midst will make you like gods, he told her the truth.

One of them went out into the fields to gather herbs and found a wild vine and picked as many of its gourds as his garment could hold. When he returned, he cut them up into the pot of stew, though no one knew what they were.

The stew was poured out for the men, but as they began to eat it, they cried out, “Man of God, there is death in the pot!

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #21 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 08:53:31 »
Make up your mind, lttle one.
Are you on the side of man, speaking lies;
Or are you on the side of God, speaking His Word?

Can a good tree bear bad fruit?

Better that you would be single-minded, and cease speaking from your own resources - from the field.

We do not serve carnal excrement on the Lord's Table.  The bedpan of the sick belongs in another less honorable place in the Master's House.  It is for them who profane the Lord's Table, offerring up that which has been lifted up to an idol.  For they do NOT obey the Lord, speaking their own word and profaning the Sabbath, and all who continue in such things shall NOT enter His Promised Land, nor abide in His Rest.

"Satan tells the truth" is a huge lie that has made many sick, and some have fallen asleep because they swallowed such filth.  Would you die in your sin?  Would you knowingly cause another brother to die in his sins?  Would you, as the religious leaders do: prevent others from entering into their inheritance? 

It's time to move on to maturity little one.

You should have taken the archangels' counsel to heart - for you would become his ADVERSARY BY DOING SUCH THINGS.  I strongly suggest you acknowledge your error and repent, for the Kingdom of God has come close to you.

REMEMBER?  The Holy Spirit shall bring to your remembrance evry word JESUS has spoken..."
REMEMBER?  Jesus said: "As often as you do this, do it IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME."
REMEMBER?  It is Christ in you who is being re-Membered, to make you Whole, and His Body Whole.

Now go and restore the Lord's Table, for all things MUST BE restored.
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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #22 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 09:23:32 »
Read it again:Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
The tree of life which is God's choice for us and plainly center it for them was the ONLY TREE in the MIDST OF THE GARDEN. There is a comma after garden, it says GARDEN, AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, it means along with ther other trees in the garden, not also in the midst For if both trees where in the MIDST, she would not have said ONLY THE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF.
No comma in the Hebrew. That was added by the english translators.

You cannot make a statement like that on something that is not really there.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #23 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 10:30:21 »
Make up your mind, lttle one.
Are you on the side of man, speaking lies;
Or are you on the side of God, speaking His Word?

Can a good tree bear bad fruit?

Better that you would be single-minded, and cease speaking from your own resources - from the field.

We do not serve carnal excrement on the Lord's Table.  The bedpan of the sick belongs in another less honorable place in the Master's House.  It is for them who profane the Lord's Table, offerring up that which has been lifted up to an idol.  For they do NOT obey the Lord, speaking their own word and profaning the Sabbath, and all who continue in such things shall NOT enter His Promised Land, nor abide in His Rest.

"Satan tells the truth" is a huge lie that has made many sick, and some have fallen asleep because they swallowed such filth.  Would you die in your sin?  Would you knowingly cause another brother to die in his sins?  Would you, as the religious leaders do: prevent others from entering into their inheritance?  

It's time to move on to maturity little one.

You should have taken the archangels' counsel to heart - for you would become his ADVERSARY BY DOING SUCH THINGS.  I strongly suggest you acknowledge your error and repent, for the Kingdom of God has come close to you.

REMEMBER?  The Holy Spirit shall bring to your remembrance evry word JESUS has spoken..."
REMEMBER?  Jesus said: "As often as you do this, do it IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME."
REMEMBER?  It is Christ in you who is being re-Membered, to make you Whole, and His Body Whole.

Now go and restore the Lord's Table, for all things MUST BE restored.
You did not choose this honor; you were chosen for it, to glorify The LORD!

Gabe'

Don't forget again, but RE MEMBER!



My post is about there being only 1 tree in the MIDST of the garden and that is the tree of LIFE that God would want us to eat of for the Word of God is LIFE. His Words of Wisdom produces fine flour.
 Eve, getting her Word second hand, mistakenly thought that the TREE OF LIFE was the forbidden tree, so she was deceived by the devil who did not correct her when he seen she was misguided.
 For "he" is the tree of the forbidden knowledge to learn good and evil.

I do not mean to say that the DEVIL is not a LIAR. I said that he did not lie to Eve when he said that to eat of the tree IN THE MIDST which was the tree of LIFE will make you like God.
 He did lie when he said the tree of life in the MIDST of the garden would teach you to know good and evil.
To eat of the tree of Life gives you the attributes to be like GOD, but not to BE God. And it is true, if you eat of the tree of life in the MIDST OF THE GARDEN...... YOU SHALL NOT DIE!

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it,
neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.KJV

Gen 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
KJV

Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;
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Ezek 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.

13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.
KJV
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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #24 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 10:34:22 »
Read it again:Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
The tree of life which is God's choice for us and plainly center it for them was the ONLY TREE in the MIDST OF THE GARDEN. There is a comma after garden, it says GARDEN, AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, it means along with ther other trees in the garden, not also in the midst For if both trees where in the MIDST, she would not have said ONLY THE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF.
No comma in the Hebrew. That was added by the english translators.

You cannot make a statement like that on something that is not really there.

Then if there were 2 TREES in the midst of the garden, why didn't she say: we can eat of all the trees EXCEPT ONE THE 2 TREES IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN?

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #25 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 12:04:13 »
Because there was only one tree in the middle of the garden that was forbidden.  The Tree of Life was not off limits. (not until after the fall)

Gen 2.9 says that God gave Adam every tree for food including the Tree of Life which was in the middle of the garden. The lone exception was the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, which this verse does not necessarily give a location.  We get the location from 3.2.  There we find this tree was in the middle of the garden as well, probably right next to the tree of Life.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #26 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 12:41:49 »
Because there was only one tree in the middle of the garden that was forbidden.  The Tree of Life was not off limits. (not until after the fall)

Gen 2.9 says that God gave Adam every tree for food including the Tree of Life which was in the middle of the garden. The lone exception was the Tree of knowledge of Good and Evil, which this verse does not necessarily give a location.  We get the location from 3.2.  There we find this tree was in the middle of the garden as well, probably right next to the tree of Life.

Well now, you are using speculation. I am using what the Bible says and shows. It says that the TREE OF LIFE WAS THE ONLY TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN. The comma only means that there is another tree in the garden but it is forbidden to eat of, but it does not ever say that it was ALSO IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN. And had it been in the midst of the garden, then Eve would have not have pointed out THE TREE in the MIDST of the garden.


Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV


Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil,
thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV

NOWHERE DOES IT EVER SAY THAT THE FORBIDDEN TREE WAS IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, NOR DOES EVE ACKNOWLEDGE TWO TREES IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, JUST ONE!

Gen 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of THE TREE which is IN THE MIDST of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #27 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 12:47:21 »
Where did God say to not eat of the tree of life?  That is more speculation than you accuse me of.  God ONLY forbade the tree of Knoledge but does not give a location.  Eve gives us the location.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #28 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 12:52:03 »
Where did God say to not eat of the tree of life?  That is more speculation than you accuse me of.  God ONLY forbade the tree of Knoledge but does not give a location.  Eve gives us the location.

WHERE did I ever say that?

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #29 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:11:14 »
Where did God say to not eat of the tree of life?  That is more speculation than you accuse me of.  God ONLY forbade the tree of Knowledge but does not give a location.  Eve gives us the location.
WHERE did I ever say that?
Your title says there is only ONE tree in the midst of the garden.

Gen 2.9 tells us that tree is in the middle of the garden.

In 3.3 Eve quotes (directly or indirectly) God as saying to not eat of the tree in the middle. IF that was the ONLY tree in the middle then you are saying God forbade eating of the tree of life.

I submit that there were 2 trees there and only one was forbidden.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #30 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:23:07 »
Where did God say to not eat of the tree of life?  That is more speculation than you accuse me of.  God ONLY forbade the tree of Knowledge but does not give a location.  Eve gives us the location.
WHERE did I ever say that?
Your title says there is only ONE tree in the midst of the garden.

Gen 2.9 tells us that tree is in the middle of the garden.

In 3.3 Eve quotes (directly or indirectly) God as saying to not eat of the tree in the middle. IF that was the ONLY tree in the middle then you are saying God forbade eating of the tree of life.

I submit that there were 2 trees there and only one was forbidden.

God DID only put 1 tree in the midst of the garden. The tree of life!!!
Eve obviously thought  that the tree in the midst of the garden WAS THE FORBIDDEN TREE, BUT SHE WAS IN ERROR. The Tree in the  midst was the TREE OF LIFE THAT SHE WAS TO EAT OF, NOT THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL.
THE DEVIL DID NOT CORRECT HER, AND SHE ATE FROM THE WRONG TREE ACCIDENTALLY DUE TO MISTEACHING, SECOND HAND AS MOST BELIEVERS DO.

YOU ARE MISSING MY POINT, IF THERE WERE TWO TREES IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN AS YOU SAY, THEN WHY DID SHE ONLY KNOW OF ONE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN?

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #31 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:30:37 »
Gen 2:9 Out of the ground Yahweh God made every tree to grow that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Satan tempted her to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #32 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:38:52 »
There was no accident about it at all.  The temptation makes no sense otherwise. She ate of the forbidden tree and her eyes were opened.  She saw that the fruit was desirous to make one wise. That is the Tree of knowledge.  She KNEW it was the tree of Knowledge. And she identified it as being in the middle of the garden.

Where do you get that she knew ONLY of one tree in the middle? 

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #33 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:39:48 »
Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.


Both trees were in the center of the Garden.

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Re: There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said
« Reply #34 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:41:30 »
Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Both trees were in the center of the Garden.
That verse in the Hebrew only implies it, it does not say it specifically.

 

     
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