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Why did God make people?
« on: Thu Sep 08, 2011 - 11:45:40 »
We were talking about this question in the General Discussion Area, and someone said we should bring the question over here.  So what do you think?  Why did God make people?

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #1 on: Fri Sep 09, 2011 - 21:59:16 »
We were talking about this question in the General Discussion Area, and someone said we should bring the question over here.  So what do you think?  Why did God make people?

As originally stated in Gen.1v26, GOD said : Let us make man in our image , after our likeness.....
in plain words : to create us after the GOD-kind , to become as HE is.
In previous verses we read that he created 'living Creatures each 'after THEIR own kind v21.
These only describe the very basic physical existence of living creatures of which 'man is one in his natural state. But we are 'to become spirit as GOD IS SPIRIT' and have 'eternal Life.
But why are we first ' mortal human beings ?  So we can die if we reject God's plan and purpose  since he will not force HIS WILL on us. We are to accept it of our own free will Deut.30v19.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #2 on: Fri Sep 09, 2011 - 22:23:25 »
The question has a simple answer...

Ephesians 2:7

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« Reply #3 on: Fri Sep 09, 2011 - 22:55:09 »
The question has a simple answer...

Ephesians 2:7

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Agreed !
But are we not 'to grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ ? 2Pet.3v18, and
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus Phil.2v5.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #4 on: Sat Sep 10, 2011 - 06:16:57 »
We were talking about this question in the General Discussion Area, and someone said we should bring the question over here.  So what do you think?  Why did God make people?

As originally stated in Gen.1v26, GOD said : Let us make man in our image , after our likeness.....
in plain words : to create us after the GOD-kind , to become as HE is.
In previous verses we read that he created 'living Creatures each 'after THEIR own kind v21.
These only describe the very basic physical existence of living creatures of which 'man is one in his natural state. But we are 'to become spirit as GOD IS SPIRIT' and have 'eternal Life.
But why are we first ' mortal human beings ?  So we can die if we reject God's plan and purpose  since he will not force HIS WILL on us. We are to accept it of our own free will Deut.30v19.


We are also flesh and blood because of God's plan of Pro-creation.  As for the flesh, we are ALL going to die once, this mortal body, save those who are alive when the Lion of Judah returns with the splitting of the Eastern Sky...........but that's another thread.


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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #5 on: Sat Sep 10, 2011 - 07:50:11 »
We were talking about this question in the General Discussion Area, and someone said we should bring the question over here.  So what do you think?  Why did God make people?

As originally stated in Gen.1v26, GOD said : Let us make man in our image , after our likeness.....
in plain words : to create us after the GOD-kind , to become as HE is.
In previous verses we read that he created 'living Creatures each 'after THEIR own kind v21.
These only describe the very basic physical existence of living creatures of which 'man is one in his natural state. But we are 'to become spirit as GOD IS SPIRIT' and have 'eternal Life.
But why are we first ' mortal human beings ?  So we can die if we reject God's plan and purpose  since he will not force HIS WILL on us. We are to accept it of our own free will Deut.30v19.

We are also flesh and blood because of God's plan of Pro-creation.  As for the flesh, we are ALL going to die once, this mortal body, save those who are alive when the Lion of Judah returns with the splitting of the Eastern Sky...........but that's another thread.

Agreed ! we are also flesh and blood so we can pro-create. Certainly saves God a job and at the same time 'includes man in God's plan and allows us take a literal part in His work.
What makes it such a difficult and awesome undertaking is 'our free will which so easily gets in the way of 'GOD's Will. 

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #6 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 01:07:11 »
Because reality TV is even better when it's just plain "reality?"

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #7 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 06:35:27 »
These seems a good article on this topic.
http://www.gotquestions.org/glory-of-god.html

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #8 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 07:46:47 »
The reason we are mortal flesh and blood is so we do not have to suffer eternal punishment if we reject Christ as our Saviour. And some will.
We are mortal so we can die and 'be as if we had never been'. Obed.v16. This is God being merciful to man.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #9 on: Tue Sep 27, 2011 - 09:27:31 »
The reason we are mortal flesh and blood is so we do not have to suffer eternal punishment if we reject Christ as our Saviour. And some will.
We are mortal so we can die and 'be as if we had never been'. Obed.v16. This is God being merciful to man.

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,..."

I agree, Beta.

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« Reply #10 on: Wed Sep 28, 2011 - 15:56:27 »
The reason we are mortal flesh and blood is so we do not have to suffer eternal punishment if we reject Christ as our Saviour. And some will.
We are mortal so we can die and 'be as if we had never been'. Obed.v16. This is God being merciful to man.

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort,..."

I agree, Beta.
I am so pleased that at least a few can see God's Love and Mercy toward all of us  - even unrepentant sinners. He will not have them suffering eternal torment as traditional christians are quick to believe.Mal.4v3, for they will be ashes under the feet of the saints.
Thank and praise the Lord for his Love, Mercy and Kindness !!!

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« Reply #11 on: Thu Sep 29, 2011 - 06:45:16 »
The reason we are mortal flesh and blood is so we do not have to suffer eternal punishment if we reject Christ as our Saviour. And some will.
We are mortal so we can die and 'be as if we had never been'. Obed.v16. This is God being merciful to man.
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I've read this a few times, and I am left believing that you just made a mistake in typing, because I know you didn't mean to say what you said............. ???

"the reason we are mortal flesh and blood is SO WE DO NOT have to suffer eternal punishment IF WE REJECT CHRIST as our Saviour."

I thought that ALL who REJECT Him WILL face eternal punishment..................  ::pondering:: ::reading:: ::pondering:: ::shrug::

(edited to add.......)

I supose we could say God made us flesh and blood because it pleased Him to do so.  After all, who can know the mind of God?  Who can reason with Him?


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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #12 on: Thu Sep 29, 2011 - 07:11:47 »
The reason we are mortal flesh and blood is so we do not have to suffer eternal punishment if we reject Christ as our Saviour. And some will.
We are mortal so we can die and 'be as if we had never been'. Obed.v16. This is God being merciful to man.
==========================================

I've read this a few times, and I am left believing that you just made a mistake in typing, because I know you didn't mean to say what you said............. ???

"the reason we are mortal flesh and blood is SO WE DO NOT have to suffer eternal punishment IF WE REJECT CHRIST as our Saviour."

I thought that ALL who REJECT Him WILL face eternal punishment..................  ::pondering:: ::reading:: ::pondering:: ::shrug::

(edited to add.......)

I supose we could say God made us flesh and blood because it pleased Him to do so.  After all, who can know the mind of God?  Who can reason with Him?


Yes you are right, thank you for bringing this to my attention.
There is eternal punishment.....but not eternal punishing ....which is what people associate with the wicked. The general belief is (regardless of punishment/punishing) that the wicked will suffer for all eternity in the lake of fire. That is not so !!!
For they will be ashes under the feet of the saints Mal.4v3 , they will burn up...as if they had not been Obed.v16 and that is their punishment - not eternal punishing.

I firmly believe that whatever God does/creates is for a purpose and not for his pleasure or amusement. It is not his will that any of us suffer or die ...and that is certainly our 'lot at present.... but for a good reason.

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« Reply #13 on: Sat Oct 01, 2011 - 10:15:01 »
So on the negative side of human experience we have eternal punishment - death.
But there is also the positive side for mankind to become 'as God - being created in his likeness - conformed to the image of his Son Jesus Christ - if we become 'obedient to him as HE was 'obedient to God his Father Heb.5v8,9.  ::amen!::

Since this is a requirement in the NT we can hardly ignore it as  outdated and/or obsolete ?  ::shrug::


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« Reply #14 on: Fri Feb 03, 2012 - 18:50:55 »
We don't actualy know why. There are general answers which are sufficient for now. But given that God could have prevented the events of the Fall, but allowed it, that means to me that the future purpose he has for humanity is highly significant to have warranted allowing the event that will lead to billions of our race going to hell. The allowing of the Fall was the ahrdest decision God has made in his relatioship with humanity. The purpose for the saving of the relatively few must be beyond our ability to imagine to warrant this cost to God, and to the lost.

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« Reply #15 on: Tue Feb 07, 2012 - 19:10:08 »
Instead of asking why did God create man, search for a greatest purpose to create man by asking three questions. This is just a collection of words to challenge the mind to think, if you choose to read further then search for something greater than I have written.

In search of a Greatest or Ultimate Truth for God

Here is a child like and yet profound way to test the power of the greatest commandments; when looking for a purpose for the creation of the universe and life.

Did God have a complete plan for the creation of everything, did he think ahead? Were Christ’s life, death and resurrection planned before the creation of the universe began?
To search for a deeper meaning, was Christ freely given the choice to accept his sacrifice before the creation of the universe began?
Would it mean that the Father had a purpose for man so great, that creation could not be achieved in any lesser way?
What purpose can be so great, that it would compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance that his son would die?
Would it be to forgive the sins of mankind, or can there be something greater?

What greatest thing can God create?

God could create all the stars and planets of the universe; he then becomes God the builder.
God could create a whole variety of life with almost no intelligence like plants; he now becomes God the gardener'
God could create life with more intelligence but if the knowledge is limited he has now created the animal kingdom. He now becomes God the farmer.
God could create life in his own image, a life that could understand him. Can God create anything greater than life in his own image, does he now become God the Father.
Does the greatest thing that God creates, depend on the relationship that he can have with them?

What greatest purpose can God have to create children in his own image?

Could love be the greatest reason for God to create children?
Could the ultimate God be a God who loves in the greatest way?

God the Father willingly loves all of mankind as he loves HIMSELF.

Can there be any greater reason to create children, even for God, can God love us more than he loves himself??

To find a greatest purpose for all God's children.

What greatest purpose could God set for humanity? Would it be for everyone to turn to His kind of religion and pray the way that he stipulates, or would it be to banish poverty, gain intellectual superiority, conquer sickness and death, and subdue the universe or is there more?

If the greatest reason God could have to create mankind, is to love us, as he loves himself, then God could create mankind, with the freedom to return God's love

All of mankind to be created with the freedom to love God the creator unconditionally, are we given the greatest commandment as a guide for this very purpose?

God willingly loves everyone as he loves himself; do we also need this same freedom to love everyone in the same way, so that the truth can be complete for God and mankind.

All of mankind, to be created with the freedom to love their neighbour; as they love themselves unconditionally; are we given the second greatest commandment as a guide?
Is this how God wants his children to be one? He wants us to love each other as we love ourselves.

In a way, God loves us more than he loves himself, because he was willing to do what was good for us but not good for him (send his Son to die). In a sort of contradicting way, God loves himself more than us, because he knows that he is the greatest being in the universe and retains the power of heaven or hell over us. When you ask the question; why did Christ say they are the greatest commandment, can it possibly be because God can do nothing greater?

Could the greatest commandments be a Greatest an Ultimate Truth?

If our greatest purpose for creation is to live by the greatest commandments, then this freedom to love also gives us the choice to do both good and evil. Are the greatest commandments powerful enough, to compel God to create the universe and life, knowing in advance the costs involved?

We can marvel at the great attention to detail that is evident in everything from the tiniest single cell of life and right up to the giant structures of galaxies. Can you find any greater purpose for all this to exist? Challenge the above statements in your mind in an honest way, test them against any religious beliefs, and test them against any form of logic.

Just some thoughts.

Blessings

Eric

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #16 on: Sat Feb 18, 2012 - 04:31:34 »
I believe that God illustrated this truth to us in the creation of man and further reminds of it throughout the rest of creation.

From scripture we learn that in the beginning God created man in His image and likeness...having filled the human vessel of Adam w/the "breath of life"; his Spirit. So man although, having a body formed from the dust of the ground was brought forth in life from the Seed of God.

By this we know that when God looked upon man, He was expecting to see a reflection of Himself. A reflection of His nature and character in the earth.

In the Genesis account we learn that within the man was the desire for relationship w/one comparable to him. So God gave him Eve. Notice in scripture Adam's response to the woman God brought to him. He had no questions. Rather, he immediately connected w/her. Recognizing she was a direct response to a desire already present w/in him.

Now although, the man and woman differed greatly from the rest of God's creation, one common factor shared by every living, breathing, growing thing God created along w/man is seed...the ability to multiply according to the image and likeness of what/who it originated from. This was God's desire for everything and command to man.

So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it
Gen 1:27-28 (NKJV)

I believe "there you have it". God made people for relationship. For relationship w/one another and w/Him...to have relationship w/more like Him. Yes, He is in charge of it all and runs it all. But to be able to share it all w/many more at His level. Like we say, the more the merrier! However, due to sin we lost the image and the likeness.

When we look on at the rest of creation, it continues to remind us of that purpose-to be fruitful and multiply in the image and likeness of the One we originated from.

Therefore, Jesus came to restore us back to that level. So that God can once again find His image reflected and multiplied throughout the earth.  
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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #17 on: Sat Feb 18, 2012 - 05:15:58 »
We don't actualy know why. There are general answers which are sufficient for now. But given that God could have prevented the events of the Fall, but allowed it, that means to me that the future purpose he has for humanity is highly significant to have warranted allowing the event that will lead to billions of our race going to hell. The allowing of the Fall was the ahrdest decision God has made in his relatioship with humanity. The purpose for the saving of the relatively few must be beyond our ability to imagine to warrant this cost to God, and to the lost.

""Passes a Pohutukawa flower to the next poster.""

What makes you think God is only saving a relative few and allows all others to go to hell ???
God allowed the 'Fall' of man to let us 'experience ' the consequences of 'disobedience. They had experienced the 'goodness of God in Paradise but had no idea of the 'opposite situation and therefore could not make the perfect decision when presented with Gen.2v16,17. Telling them to choose right did not work with A&E so the only alternative was to let them experience it....and that is what God has allowed these past 6000 years/6 days given to man Ex.20v9.
We are now at the end of 'man's allotted time and Christ is about to return and set this world to rights. This is where 'GRACE' gives those who accept Jesus 'a new beginning'.
Friend, we have more than 'general answers if we 'believe what God says !!!   ::amen!::

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« Reply #18 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 15:22:14 »
You said and ask a lot in this post. In another forum I answered a similar question.a bit.

I will post it below but explain it her just a bit to answer this question Why did make people?..... short answer God is a spirit and wanted to create a physical universe so he created man (people to be able to interact with his creation.

Jews understood there must be a Mediator of some kind not only between God and man but also between God and the world, which He had created. They believed that pure spirit either would not or could not act directly upon the physical order. They came to view the One who stood as Mediator in this interaction as analogous to the part which is played by the spoken word as a bridge between thought and action. Thus they held that the world was created by the spoken Word, and they referred to this Mediator by the name Memra, a Hebrew noun which signifies Word. Some of the Jewish paraphrases or Targums of the Old Testament substituted the word Memra wherever the original text speaks of Jehovah as acting directly upon his creation. They had thus, in effect, recognized what we have spoken of previously as the pre-incarnation incarnation of Jehovah. As an example of how they used the word, we may note that in the Targum of Onkelos, Genesis 3:10 is rendered: "And [Adam] said, I hid from the voice of the Memra and I was afraid because I was naked." Custance Seed of the Woman Part III Chapter 24 You so rightly use the substitution as in the Jewish tradition. “(John 1:1-6) becomes In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by the living word of God; and without the word of God was not any thing made that was made. In the living word of God was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #19 on: Tue May 01, 2012 - 16:02:53 »
Sorry should have been the first paragraph in my post above

The UNIVERSE was created for the WORLD,
The WORLD for the BODY
The BODY for the SPIRIT,
And, the SPIRIT for GOD

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« Reply #20 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 01:29:36 »
I like how you phrased your question (Biblically) David S.
The short answer is that He wanted Family, and in Generations of Father & Son.  Just like their Daddy!
God is Self Revealing.  His full revelation to man about everything is through faith in Jesus Christ Who IS the perfect image of God the Father.
Eternal Life is to know God the Father and Jesus Christ (His Firstborn) Whom He Sent.
Jesus Christ (the Word of God) is The ONLY Way to the Father.
Jesus Christ is the Word (Logos: John 1) through Whom God the Father created all things.
You could say that when God the Father Created, He spoke... and THAT Word He spoke IS Jesus Christ.

Why else would God the Father reveal Himself to us through His only begotten Son; Jesus Christ, as "Father & Son" than He wants us to receive His Word, believe His Word, and come to KNOW Him (the Father of Jesus Christ) as our Father too?

God wants everyone to whom He reveals Himself to become a "son" too.
Family.
Father & Son.
This is "the Way" of God.
Family is His original IDEA.

I hope this helps and strengthens you.

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« Reply #21 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 01:46:06 »
I like how you phrased your question (Biblically) David S.
The short answer is that He wanted Family, and in Generations of Father & Son.  Just like their Daddy!
God is Self Revealing.  His full revelation to man about everything is through faith in Jesus Christ Who IS the perfect image of God the Father.
Eternal Life is to know God the Father and Jesus Christ (His Firstborn) Whom He Sent.
Jesus Christ (the Word of God) is The ONLY Way to the Father.
Jesus Christ is the Word (Logos: John 1) through Whom God the Father created all things.
You could say that when God the Father Created, He spoke... and THAT Word He spoke IS Jesus Christ.

Why else would God the Father reveal Himself to us through His only begotten Son; Jesus Christ, as "Father & Son" than He wants us to receive His Word, believe His Word, and come to KNOW Him (the Father of Jesus Christ) as our Father too?

God wants everyone to whom He reveals Himself to become a "son" too.
Family.
Father & Son.
This is "the Way" of God.
Family is His original IDEA.

I hope this helps and strengthens you.

Michael A

Amen! Welcome to the forum, Michael!

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #22 on: Wed Jun 06, 2012 - 17:02:53 »
Thank you for your welcome.
Not many are so gracious.


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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #23 on: Thu Jun 07, 2012 - 04:09:04 »

Yes , being in ' human flesh and blood form ' is only our FIRST stage  !

Scripture is very clear we will be ' changed , transformed in Mind & Body !

We are to BECOME spirit as GOD is spirit !

That is why we are being created...ongoing until perfected !  ::amen!::

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« Reply #24 on: Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 12:47:28 »
'why' is a human question. God doesn't have to fall into that mold. If he has a 'why' be sure it's going to be above our 'why'. "His ways are not our ways, neither are his thoughts our thoughts" remember.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #25 on: Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 19:25:20 »
We were talking about this question in the General Discussion Area, and someone said we should bring the question over here.  So what do you think?  Why did God make people?

What i tell you is what God has told me.

Humans are here to be tested, the spirit that is in each of us, is being tested.
The spirit that is in you, has always been, and existed even before the Earth
was created or even thought of by Jesus.
The spirit that is in you is one of the spirits that did not rebel against God
 in the days when the angel Lucifer rebelled against God. All inhabitants of Heaven except a small number,
were then to be be tested to see which side they will choose to follow,
 either selfishness (temptations of satan, sins, iniquity, wickedness, and the such)
 or unselfishness (giving, charity, loving others, helping others) Those who live in
sin are selfish and not willing to cease from those sins, those who live in Love are
unselfish and care for others, and gives to others, and helps others, and they LOVE ONE ANOTHER.
We are here to be tested to see who we choose to obey, whether satan (sins, selfishness)
or to obey Jesus (Love, unselfishness)

The spirit that is in you, cannot die, or be killed, it will exist forever, but it will
exist forever in one of two places, either in Heaven or not in Heaven.
Those who Love others will enter into Heaven, those who love self and not others,
will not. i have revealed a small part of what God has told me concerning this topic.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #26 on: Tue Aug 07, 2012 - 19:54:37 »
OK, with answers like that..... we must be on Candid Camera, right?  Is Buddha hiding around the corner to pop up and hand out prizes?

"We're here for testing"?  Where on Earth did you get that one?

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #27 on: Sat Aug 11, 2012 - 06:26:03 »
God made people because....He wanted to.  That's the most basic answer, no?  Being God, and our Creator...does He have to explain to us in minute details as to why He made us?

We are created for His pleasure.  The meaning and purpose of having life is to love, honor and glorify Him.
And that, we must humbly accept. ::smile::

The first and foremost Commandment of God gives vital clue:  I am the Lord, thy God.   Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 

Which Jesus Christ confirmed to be the most important commandment of all:  Love God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your soul.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #28 on: Sat Aug 11, 2012 - 06:33:03 »
God made people because....He wanted to.  That's the most basic answer, no?  Being God, and our Creator...does He have to explain to us in minute details as to why He made us?

We are created for His pleasure.  The meaning and purpose of having life is to love, honor and glorify Him.

The first and foremost Commandment of God gives vital clue:  I am the Lord, thy God.   Thou shalt have no other gods before me. 

Which Jesus Christ confirmed to be the most important commandment of all:  Love God with all your heart, with all your mind and with all your soul.


Amen...

Ephesians 1:5
God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.


and welcome to GC, betsy!



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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #29 on: Thu Aug 23, 2012 - 20:03:21 »
OK, with answers like that..... we must be on Candid Camera, right?  Is Buddha hiding around the corner to pop up and hand out prizes?

"We're here for testing"?  Where on Earth did you get that one?


i believe i revealed that, in my post.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #30 on: Thu Aug 23, 2012 - 20:07:12 »
OK, with answers like that..... we must be on Candid Camera, right?  Is Buddha hiding around the corner to pop up and hand out prizes?

"We're here for testing"?  Where on Earth did you get that one?


We are here to be Judged on Judgment Day. Those who love people will enter into Heaven, those who cause strife and contentions will not. Everyone is born so that they will stand before God on Judgment Day and give account for their actions while upon the Earth. That is why we are here, to be tested. To see who will and who will not go to Heaven. Does not the entire Bible teach this?

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #31 on: Thu Aug 23, 2012 - 22:55:47 »
The Body of Christ doesn't stand before God on Judgment Day. The Church will already have been reckoned with by that particular Day, seeing as according to the word, we will have already been ruling and reigning with Christ for the previous 1000 years.

Our sin has been judged and punished already on the body of Jesus on the cross. the judgment we face is the Judgment Seat of Christ, where He determines reward for our deeds, whether they were done for His glory or for our own, according to:
 
Matthew 3:11-15
11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one we already have—Jesus Christ.
12 Anyone who builds on that foundation may use a variety of materials—gold, silver, jewels, wood, hay, or straw. 13 But on the judgment day, fire will reveal what kind of work each builder has done. The fire will show if a person’s work has any value. 14 If the work survives, that builder will receive a reward. 15 But if the work is burned up, the builder will suffer great loss. The builder will be saved, but like someone barely escaping through a wall of flames.
 
 
 
We aren't here for testing. We are here because God LOVES us and wants a relationship with us. We wil all undergo testing in life, but that is for our good, to reveal who we are and where we need to become more like Christ..
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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #32 on: Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 06:40:37 »
I domnt
We were talking about this question in the General Discussion Area, and someone said we should bring the question over here.  So what do you think?  Why did God make people?

As originally stated in Gen.1v26, GOD said : Let us make man in our image , after our likeness.....
in plain words : to create us after the GOD-kind , to become as HE is.
In previous verses we read that he created 'living Creatures each 'after THEIR own kind v21.
These only describe the very basic physical existence of living creatures of which 'man is one in his natural state. But we are 'to become spirit as GOD IS SPIRIT' and have 'eternal Life.
But why are we first ' mortal human beings ?  So we can die if we reject God's plan and purpose  since he will not force HIS WILL on us. We are to accept it of our own free will Deut.30v19.

 
I dont believe God created man to be God.or become God.
Nor do I believe that having saved us from that delusion at the beginning he then wants us to fall for it again.
A burning bush in the wilderness is two a penny due to the great heat and the common  occurance of instantaneous combustion.
What got Moses atention was that this one was not consumed by the fire.
he had seen many a one durign 40 years a shepherd.
But this one........!
and when God saw that he tunred aside. He spoke to him OUT of the burning bush.
The bush was not God . and God was not the bush.
"It is because I change not said the Lord ye are not consumed"
The treasure  put in an earthen vessel is not for our glory but Gods.
"he who seeketh his own glory is not rightous but he that seeketh the glory of him that sent him is"
It is now and it will be in heaven also.
The glory of God belongs only to God.
If in Christ we become partakers of his nature .That does not mean we become as he is.
It means that he is our life. We do not have life in oursleves.
On,y the Father hath life in Himself and he has also given this to His son.
Thus" he who has the son has  life and he who has not the son has not even seen life"
When our life shall apear we shall apear with him.
Why did God make man?
Why did God  create anything?
He needs none of it. For his existence.
But he is by nature a creator therefore he created.
He is good beyond words so that all he created was good.
That all of creation both of heaven and the earth was incredible.
Yet man was the masterpeice.
When my son was born I looked upon him and saw he bore my image in him.
I gave thanks to God and rejoiced and blessed him/
If he had not been my son then he would not have born  my image in him but rather the father whos son he would have been.
By creation we are all sons of God.
But there are sons of disobedience and there are sons of obedience.
ALL born of the first Adam are by nature sons of disobedience.
Those born of the last Adam are by nature sons of obedience.
"ye must be born again"
The fall of man did not catch God unawares .He forsaw it  and already the answer before the foundations of the world/.
For one man  was given the sight to see "A lamb as slain from before the foundations of the world"
"The VOICE of the Lord  walked in the cool of the evening" in the garden of Eden.
Ask yourself a question. HOW does a voice walk?
and if that is a problem go a step back.
What indeed is a voice!?

Is not a voice a WORD that has no body?
What sayeth the scriptures?
"A body hast thou prepared for me.."
That voice was the Lord Jesus .
God has not changed.
He is the same from everlasting to everlasting.
What he was he is and what he is he shall ever be.
in Christ
gerald
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #33 on: Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:16:32 »
The Body of Christ doesn't stand before God on Judgment Day. The Church will already have been reckoned with by that particular Day, seeing as according to the word, we will have already been ruling and reigning with Christ for the previous 1000 years.

Please do not misunderstand, There will be two Judgements according to the Word of God, there is Judgement Day, in which Jesus Christ will come down to the Earth and separate the good from the wicked, to bring the Church with Him into the air and so shall we ever be with Him, This is the Judgement Day that we also refer to as the Rapture, for those who are Judged as True Christian will be taken up with Him. Then there is a Great White Throne Judgement, where Everyone will be judged the good and the wicked alike. The first Judgement Day the unsaved are not judged at all, they are unsaved and need not be judged to determine that they are unsaved.

Psalms 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

The Great White Throne Judgment will indeed judge all, and everyone, it will reveal to the wicked why they are not entering into the Kingdom of Heaven. The first Judgment Day happens at the Rapture, when Christ comes to the Earth to set up His kingdom HERE. He will rule over the Earth for a thousand years. AFTER that 1000 years will satan and all his cohorts be released and there will be one final battle of Good verse evil. After that battle will be the Great White Throne Judgment, where even satan and all his demons will be judged and cast out of the presence of God forever. But make no mistake the body of Christ does stand before God on Judgment Day, Jesus Christ Himself taught us that we (the body of Christ) will stand before Him. Read Matthew 25:31-46 where Christ separates those who call Him LORD, into sheeps and goats. And He does this when He returns BEFORE the 1000 year reign of His Return. Many misinterpret Matthew 25:31-46 by saying He separates the unsaved from the Saved, this is not True, nor does that line up with Scriptures. It is written that anyone that calls Jesus the Lord, does so by the Holy Ghost. In Matthew 25:31-46 BOTH the sheep and the goats call Jesus LORD, they BOTH are professing Christians. Many are called (to become Christians) buy only a few are chosen to go up with Him.

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Re: Why did God make people?
« Reply #34 on: Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:24:58 »

We aren't here for testing. We are here because God LOVES us and wants a relationship with us. We wil all undergo testing in life, but that is for our good, to reveal who we are and where we need to become more like Christ..

Does God have respect of persons? Are there not many examples of God testing people in the Bible? Abraham was tested, Job was tested, and even Jesus Christ was tested in the wilderness. i assure you what God has told me is True, we are all here to be tested, to see who will go to Heaven and who will not. That is why there is a Judgment Day, to JUDGE who will and who will not go to Heaven.

You say the body of Christ does not stand before God on Judgement Day, where is that written? What Scriptures reveals this to you? Who told you this? How did you come by this teaching? Where does that teaching come from? If from the Bible, then reveal that, please show us any Scriptures that teach, or even implies that the body of Christ does not stand before God on Judgment Day? Because if the Bible does reveal what you say, then i have been listening to demons and not God. But if you can not show Scriptures that teach the body of Christ will not stand before God on Judgement Day, then i will continue to believe God who told me we all will, and it lines up with Scriptures, for many Scriptures teach we will be judged.

 

     
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